Turkish Unmanned Vehicle Programs

[FutureMe]

Brochure: http://baykarmakina.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Mini_IMU_2015_08_12.pdf

New one is 61g compared to the previous one's 255g, and also a lot smaller.

Isn't this the kind of stuff we were grown to expect from the Japonese?

 

[BordoEnes]

Brochure: http://baykarmakina.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Mini_IMU_2015_08_12.pdf

New one is 61g compared to the previous one's 255g, and also a lot smaller.

Pretty sweet development. Baykar Makina is a company i truelly can take pride. In the near future we can possibly even install SATCOM, SAR, Weapon Hardpoints or MMW based landing radar if we keep reducing its weight like this. That would definitly mean it can competite against other MALE UAV's in the Market.

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

The most important is that imported GIMBALs have export restricted resolutions and capabilities

You can read it here :

Gimbals

 

[Casus Belli]

 

[cabatli_53]

Finally, Anka-B broke altitude record in Sivrihisar.
ANKA-B pushes 30300ft altitude in last trial...

C4 defence !

 

[Trick2UAV]

Finally, Anka-B broke altitude record in Sivrihisar.
ANKA-B pushes 30300ft altitude in last trial...

C4 defence !

hopefully with the payload

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

Compared some data with MQ9- 600 kw Honeywell Turboprop
max. altitude is 15,4 km (50524 feet)

Heron TP has 895 kw Turboprop and 1000 kg payload (weapons and sensors)

The red highlighted made me worried and we must be better !

Turkish Aerospace Industries ( TAI)’s UAV ANKA has overcome 30 thousand feet altitude barrier with an piston motor aircraft. Tests were undertaken at Sivrihisar at first week of September. The Anka B with its payload on board reached 30 thousand 330 feet (9 km 230 m) altitude and returned base safely. This altitude sets barrier to aircraft with such engine because air gets loose and engine loses its performance. Two drawbacks set an important obstacle to the UAV. ANKA however did not reach the altitude with more powerful engine. Instead the aircraft’s aerodynamic was reset and ANKA lost some of its structural weight. The aircraft reached the altitude by consuming less energy. This success gave TAI information about what to expect from Anka serial production

I know we want always the best for our Nation, Turkey must produce ore buy ready Turboprops and Turbofans with big spare stock !

Kale or TAI, TEI will not be able to produce that engines in the next 5-10 years.

Please compare :

RQ4 - Rolly Royce TURBOFAN Rolls-Royce F137-RR-100 36.8 kn

Range 23.000 km and 36 hours in the air !

 

[cabatli_53]

hopefully with the payload

ANKA-B climbed related altitude with B variant payloads (SAR+FLIR).

Performance comparison of piston engine UAV's.

Predator-A altitude: 25000ft
Wing Loong altitude: 16500ft
Hermes-900 altitude: 30000ft
Super Heron altitude: 32000ft
Turkey's Heron called Gozcu: 28-29000ft

In following trials, I think ANKA-B will push 31000 or 32000ft altitude limits as well because TAI engineers made impressive progress over ANKA fuselage especially on aerodynamic surfaces of wings. If We consider 20hp more powerful domestic engine on this fuselage, It will be possible.

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

@cabatli_53 Üstad, you wrote that we are already in the "Baby shoes" but try to do the best with the existing means ? Pls. Think about my opinion. Buying strong,
Turboprops and turbofans with huge spare stocks and then lets develop the perfect bird.

Believe me they will try to Sabotage all Projects in all stages. We should be prepared.

The Price of one F-35 II is estimated 130 Million USD, how many Turboprops and and turbofan engines could we buy for "effective and immediate use" in UAV s?

F-100 Turbofan 3 Million USD (not suited, but ony as example)

Turboprop PW - Reaper MQ9 1 Million USD ?

Schedule

France – MQ-9 Reapers | The Official Home of the Defense Security Cooperation Agency

That would mean we could buy , 30 props and 20 fans with alll spares for estimated 130 Million USD ?

 

[cabatli_53]

@cabatli_53 Üstad, you wrote that we are already in the "Baby shoes" but try to do the best with the existing means ? Pls. Think about my opinion. Buying strong,
Turboprops and turbofans with huge spare stocks and then lets develop the perfect bird.

Believe me they will try to Sabotage all Projects in all stages. We should be prepared.

The Price of one F-35 II is estimated 130 Million USD, how many Turboprops and and turbofan engines could we buy for "effective and immediate use" in UAV s?

F-100 Turbofan 3 Million USD (not suited, but ony as example)

Turboprop PW - Reaper MQ9 1 Million USD ?

Schedule

France – MQ-9 Reapers | The Official Home of the Defense Security Cooperation Agency

That would mean we could buy , 30 props and 20 fans with alll spares for estimated 130 Million USD ?

Bro, As far as I know, There is not much differences between turbo-jet and turboprop engines. The core section is similar. If We consider KALE group's turbojet engine FAMILY development efforts which is aiming to power up current and future platforms in today and near future, We are not much away from having a turbo-prop engines to be integrated on ANKA-TP fuselage.

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

Bro, There is not much differences between turbo-jet and turboprop engines excluding propellers. The core section is same. If We consider KALE group's turbojet engine FAMILY development efforts which is aiming to power up current and future platforms in today and near future, We are not much away from having a turbo-prop engine to be integrated on ANKA-TP fuselage.

Have a Long and happy life with your Family, you gave me some hope again.
Sometimes after reading some so called "trustable" comments here I felt worried, that we miss the "TRAIN".
My Job is motivating and training but trust your high value comments , which will join Turkish Nation and his combat decision

Thanks again master @cabatli_53

 

[cabatli_53]

Personally, I hope serious efforts from KALE group. They have impressive infrastructure working for F-135 engine and F-35 project. They are producing one of the most critical and difficult components of engines. Their R&D team is also impressive so The project given to KALE under the name of Turbo-jet engine family will be enlarged with more powerfull variants. In their first attempts, Kale have succesfully tested a turbo-jet which has more thrust power than French equivalent in similar size. Turbo-shaft + piston engines are the mission of TEI, since They received licence of T-700 engine and going to produce %67 of whole engine and They have developed 170 hp ANKA piston engine. It is expected to have a domestic 1000hp turbo shaft engine thanks to experience received with T-700. Turbo-fan engine is also another strategic working area. I don't know which institute is charged for turbo-fan R&D's but most probably, It is also given to KALE. It is also expected to have a domestic turbo-fan for TRJ-628 airliner until 2023.

Kale new turbo-jet engine size+human

 

[FutureMe]

@cabatli_53 Üstad, you wrote that we are already in the "Baby shoes" but try to do the best with the existing means ? Pls. Think about my opinion. Buying strong,
Turboprops and turbofans with huge spare stocks and then lets develop the perfect bird.

Believe me they will try to Sabotage all Projects in all stages. We should be prepared.

The Price of one F-35 II is estimated 130 Million USD, how many Turboprops and and turbofan engines could we buy for "effective and immediate use" in UAV s?

F-100 Turbofan 3 Million USD (not suited, but ony as example)

Turboprop PW - Reaper MQ9 1 Million USD ?

Schedule

France – MQ-9 Reapers | The Official Home of the Defense Security Cooperation Agency

That would mean we could buy , 30 props and 20 fans with alll spares for estimated 130 Million USD ?

10 years down the road and no engines, ridiculous.

TEI' small engines have 25+ hrs maintenance periods, so they are not manned flight certifiable as they are; they are on par with civilian RC model engines. Kale3500 engine is already a disposable engine wich will live only for minutes after being fired so it is not meant to be durable; so not sure of it's durability. You need 2000+ hours time between overhaul to be on par with modern manned flight capable engines.

The tech boils down to material science of turbine blades and specifically the cooling system of them which will protect the blades from wearing off too fast under excessive heat and pressure. Other parts of the engine are relatively easier to make. I will give it a maximum of 5 years for the turbojet (the core) / turboshaft / turboprop and 10 years for the turbofan for succes.

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

It is not the right place in this thread, but why why we have not the scientific and inventing capability of Czechs, Polish and others ? Is it that we have less IQ ?

We should motivate and promote Young People. We Need HEADHUNTERS in early School years and found the Genius minds. Will we ever see a Company founded in Garage and that rules the world ?

Forget Google, Facebook - maybe they were sponsored from US.Gov.to control the globe.

But imagine German SAP founded 1972, bought 1980 first Industrial PC for Software development and now yearly turnover 20 Billion € . Gigantic. People who bought in the 90's Shares are now Millionaires.

1 share 1990 almost 1 DM ( = 0,50 €) now 70 €.

I was really sad , when I listened a discussion in Habertürk, when a Young engineer said PARDUS was never national;
They tried only to develop an Turkish OUTFIT but never developed and worked scientifically on open source LINUX CORE System.

 

[FutureMe]

It is not the right place in this thread, but why why we have not the scientific and inventing capability of Czechs, Polish and others ? Is it that we have less IQ ?

We should motivate and promote Young People. We Need HEADHUNTERS in early School years and found the Genius minds. Will we ever see a Company founded in Garage and that rules the world ?

Forget Google, Facebook - maybe they were sponsored from US.Gov.to control the globe.

But imagine German SAP founded 1972, bought 1980 first Industrial PC for Software development and now yearly turnover 20 Billion € . Gigantic. People who bought in the 90's Shares are now Millionaires.

1 share 1990 almost 1 DM ( = 0,50 €) now 70 €.

I was really sad , when I listened a discussion in Habertürk, when a Young engineer said PARDUS was never national;
They tried only to develop an Turkish OUTFIT but never developed and worked scientifically on open source LINUX CORE System.

Inventing power of Turks has been plagued by the stopping power of enemies. There has never been a time in the recent history of Turkey when science and tech were allowed to flourish. S&T have never been fostered and always been smothered before they can emerge. It is the achievement of the enemies of Turkey. Enemies abroad and enemies within.

This situation is on the verge of being reversed in the last decade by someone who is a natural borne warrior, the greatest warrior of modern times. Now we can foster S&T development with increasingly bigger support. That's how we are getting some brilliant results recently in the military tech arena and that's why we feel thrilled talking about it.

From an s licking nation back to an s kicking nation in a decade. Allow another decade of freedom to invent and see where we get.

Pardus has the Linux kernel like all other linux derivatives. So it can never be 100% national. It is the same with all derivatives of Linux. All I know is there are less then a handfull of operating systems that are not based on Linux. So it is not a big deal not having 100% home made. And the biggest mistake of Pardus is in it's naming, I would never use an OS with that kind of name.