Turkish Peace Operations in Syria (Operation Olive Branch) Updates & Discussions

[usernameless]

But, your reasoning raises several quetions :

Northern Syria should be "safe zone", but safe and free from whom

USA wants to hand over N Syria to Kurds, but, what is the alernative ? It was Turkey, among other that left Syria thorn to pieces. Now you are harvesting seeds planted by youself

You should be careful about the last sentence. Region is full of arms and ammunitions and there are plenty of kurds living out there. They are probably going to unite around the cause of tukish agression on their land. Intervention in foreign countries are tricky issues. Influence of foreign powers aside. For example, Iran could start aiding kurds and make your lives much more complicated. That stands for some oter countries and increased vulnerability of Turkey

Safe zone from all groups and place refugees there.

Alternative is cleanse out isis and leave the region for the people that have been living there for centuries instead of giving the control of these regions to pyd/ypg, who evidently ethnic cleanse these new captured regions of Arabs, Turkmens, Assyrians and bring in Kurds after some time. Nobody can fool us on what is going on in north Syria. You're right, Turkey shouldn't have interfered at all in this conflict, BUT even if Turkey didn't, this situation with the pyd/ypg would have happened sooner or later. US openly protect pyd/ypg diplomatic and military wise, the US has a clear agenda for north Syria, so even if Turkey didn't interfere at the beginning, it would be forced later.

'Plenty of Kurds' in north Syria is overstatement. Just because their land mass looks big doesn't mean that there are only Kurds there. Furthermore, in western mainstream media you don't hear about other other Kurdish parties in north Syria who are oppressed by marxist communist pyd/ypg. If you think Kurds, generally conservative people, are happy with marxist communist rule, you're only fooling yourself and shows how little you know about this part of the world.

Good, if Iran and others start aiding terrorists against us, then we have the right to pay back one day. Don't worry about vulnerability, we have overcome muuuuch worse situations. If others, from even the other side of the world, actively intervene in our backyard, then we have the right to do the same.

 

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Second village is taken - Haluwaniyah:

http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=36.791003&lon=37.916651&z=14&m=b

 

[Zulkarneyn]

No one smart enough is going to claim Turkey is not very strong militarily

But this is not conventional warfare against other country

Dont forget this kind of insuregency warfare opens the whole range of posibilities for diversions, foreign agentures, veapons deliveries and what not. The problem in for Turkey is how to finally solve kurdish question. Since, they are now filled with whole range of varios weapons and ammutions

As you remarked problem of middle east terrorism. Be fear and admit, its you goverment that was inciting this, as long as they thought terror is meant only against the Assad. I dont know the whole story, but Erdogan was bribed by Qatar and Saudi Arabia by enourmous assets, only if Assad is removed,, and qatari pipeline is build over Syria. But that plan failed. Now you turn is the taste your medicine, which you intented for others

The new strategy is to cooperate with Russia, Iran and Syrian government against ISIS and possibly YPG. I think there may even be deals with Assad for a new (federal) state in Northern Syria backed by Turkey, Iran and Russia. Interests are being converged that's possibly why we haven't heard any negative messages from Assad yet.

 

[alwayspeace]

Since the war started in Syria, Turkey has rejected the military intervention in Syria. But for now everyone should know the
security of Turkey starts inside Syria. I hope our soldiers may clean the border from PYD and ISIS at a short time without any lost.

 

[zestokryl]

Cool. Our Economy, Defense, Foreign ministers are Kurds. Even our PM is a Kurd. Even our head of MIT is a Kurd. So, if Turkey captures those lands it also means Kurds hand over those lands. Problem ?

Kurds are huge entity living in different countries and under different cicuimstances

The fact many kurds deem themselves completely as turkish citizens , many of them do not. Since millions of kurds live in Syria , Iraq, Iran ... Many kurds hate turkey and want the state of their one. Turkish problem is, they are not bear handed opponents as it was the case before. Its about all the kuds in surrounding states, and not solely the turkish affair as it was in the 90 s

 

[OguzSenturk]

Thank you for your concerns, KCK/PKK/PYD will be removed and kurds will be liberated Enjoy watching

 

[mike2000 is back]

Man, this new great game is getting more Interesting with each passing day.

 

[usernameless]

Kurds are huge entity living in different countries and under different cicuimstances

The fact many kurds deem themselves completely as turkish citizens , many of them do not. Since millions of kurds live in Syria , Iraq, Iran ... Many kurds hate turkey and want the state of their one. Turkish problem is, they are not bear handed opponents as it was the case before. Its about all the kuds in surrounding states, and not solely the turkish affair as it was in the 90 s

Kurds are not stupid people. The chance of them breaking away from stable and strong countries like Turkey and Iran is very small. Think about it, you're an average Kurd, would you sacrifice your stable life, job, family life, kids etc. for a new unstable adventure in the name of a marxist communist organization that will bring more misery to the region? Kurds in Syria were not even given Syrian passport by Assad family whereas Kurds in Turkey have equal rights and are presented in all layers of society and government. Of course Syrian Kurds will revolt while Turkish Kurds in general will not, hence Turkey's Kurds have never massively revolted since the start of pkk in the last few decades.

 

[zestokryl]

The new strategy is to cooperate with Russia, Iran and Syrian government against ISIS and possibly YPG. I think there may even be deals with Assad for a new (federal) state in Northern Syria backed by Turkey, Iran and Russia. Interests are being converged that's possibly why we haven't heard any negative messages from Assad yet.

USA, has their one agendas with this matter. They generally tend to create huge syrian Kurdistan

I dont see room, for a deal with Assad and Russia since the flow of turkish supplies does not seem to stop

If if some deal is about to be concluded, what about Idleb and Aleppo. Only way to have some kind of understanding is to pull out all the uzbek, turkmen and chechen , sultan murad and zinki butchers from Syria and cut off support from them

You may choose , not to do so, but that provides possibility for Russia and Iran, to make you life mush more difficult during your incursion

 

[CrimsonFury]

USA, has their one agendas with this matter. They generally tend to create huge syrian Kurdistan

I dont see room, for a deal with Assad and Russia since the flow of turkish supplies does not seem to stop

If if some deal is about to be concluded, what about Idleb and Aleppo. Only way to have some kind of understanding is to pull out all the uzbek, turkmen and chechen , sultan murad and zinki butchers from Syria and cut off support from them

You may choose , not to do so, but that provides possibility for Russia and Iran, to make you life mush more difficult during your incursion

If you think Russia and Iran didn't give their consent to this incursion you are dead wrong

 

[Oublious]

Assad is in great panic ahahah...

 

[usernameless]

USA, has their one agendas with this matter. They generally tend to create huge syrian Kurdistan

I dont see room, for a deal with Assad and Russia since the flow of turkish supplies does not seem to stop

If if some deal is about to be concluded, what about Idleb and Aleppo. Only way to have some kind of understanding is to pull out all the uzbek, turkmen and chechen , sultan murad and zinki butchers from Syria and cut off support from them

You may choose , not to do so, but that provides possibility for Russia and Iran, to make you life mush more difficult during your incursion

This operation had been planned in the last 10 days, which is after the Erdogan-Putin meeting of some weeks ago. Furthermore, Turkey and Iran have remarkably communicated a lot lately. Surely Russia and Iran are up to date about this operation and won't cause problems, unless Turkish army suddenly changes plans. Art of diplomacy.

 

[zestokryl]

Kurds in Turkey have equal rights and are presented in all layers of society and government

But that doesnt stop kurdish insurgency, with various forms and intensity

Many kurds are living in rural areas, with poor quality of life and have little to choose. So far they were a useful tool for USA interest. In future they could be a tool of someone else. Another thing, which I already mentiones, there are many fire arms, landmines and ATGMS in the region. And there are vast spaces of Iraqu Kurdistan

Turkey can supress kurds, but cant destroy them with conventional weapons. Kurds could easily turn to someones leverage, to make Turkey pay for serious expenses, they end up paying, keeping Assads regime above surface

And even, Erdogan, expressed apologies to Russia, Im not so sure Russia will rest the case

Turmoil with turkish participance leaves Turkey much more vulnerable, as a target in proxy war

 

[Oublious]

>What is the plan, wich part of Syria will be cleaned?

 

[zestokryl]

This operation had been planned in the last 10 days, which is after the Erdogan-Putin meeting of some weeks ago. Furthermore, Turkey and Iran have remarkably communicated a lot lately. Surely Russia and Iran are up to date about this operation and won't cause problems, unless Turkish army suddenly changes plans. Art of diplomacy.

Thats nice and sweet in theory

But such venture, use to turn into long lasting ones where everything is possible

Erdogan used to embrace roll of hyena in torning corpse of Syria apart. But now rolls had changed, and no longer Assad is jeopardy , but the turkish security, and the stakes are high

Have a feeling you must be ending which much more serious consequences for inciting syrian turmoil and misery. Erdogan is doomed either way. Real game has just began. Enjoy