Turkish Peace Operations in Syria (Operation Olive Branch) Updates & Discussions

[TheCamelGuy]

PMU has to take Sinjar entirely from the Barzanistanis, they easily can, the problem is they listen to Baghdad and Baghdad isn't hawkish as it was under Saddam.

 

[HannibalBarca]

PMU has to take Sinjar entirely from the Barzanistanis, they easily can, the problem is they listen to Baghdad and Baghdad isn't hawkish as it was under Saddam.

No they can't. Not after Erdogan-Barzani deal.
Peshmerga power is not weak as before, they got day after day, more and more support and equipment. And they want day after day more autonomy.. till they got their own country. So they gonna take more and more territories, to make them even bigger.. for a "maybe" incoming country. Kurds want it-Barzani want it and Turkey Want it.

IRaq under Saddam was a Country. Today Iraq is a puppet/proxiy used and raped by whoever may want to have a go... They sold their country for the higher bidder...

 

[Hamzza]

So you're basically admitting that Turkey has betrayed the Syrian opposition and conceded defeat to Assad and the Iranians lol. So Erdogan has conceded that Syria will become Iran's backyard, which ironically goes against all the harsh anti-Iranian comments he made when he was in Bahrain a few weeks ago.

The YPG will be greatly rewarded by Assad/Damascus for making Ankara give up on the FSA. After all, Turkey would've never given up on regime change in Syria if it hadn't been for the expansion of the YPG forces along the Syria-Turkey border, which Assad/Damascus allowed to happen.

By the way, while all of this is taking place, the Iraqi PMU is now threatening to attack Barzanistan and remove the KDP from Yazidi areas.

How does all this help Turkey again?

Erdogan didn't make the right moves. He could've carved pro-Turkish regions out of northern Syria in 2014 by helping Barzani's Rojava Peshmerga against ISIS in Syrian Kurdistan. Instead, he chose to turn a blind eye to ISIS's presence until it was almost completely removed by the anti-Turkish YPG. The problem for you right now is that the YPG has good ties with Damascus and Moscow. Russia is now shaping the events in Syria, and the Russians want Assad to accept YPG autonomy/self-rule.

The YPG will allow a number of government-sanctioned Syrian border guards take over the demarcation line between the Kurds and the Euphrates Shield forces. In other words, if this deal gets finalized, then Turkey won't be able to attack the Kurds of Manbij without first attacking Syrian government forces. And if Turkey does that, then the Russians will blow the Euphrates Shield jihadists to smithereens.

None of this is good for Turkey. It only proves that Turkey wasted its time entering the Azaz-Jarabulus corridor, especially since the latest Russian-brokered deal between the YPG and Damascus will allow the Kurds of Afrin to trade with the Kurds of Manbij and the other cantons.

Lol YPG did this for no other reason that bein scared shitless of a Turkish attack on Manbij. We saw your "brave Kurdish fighters" (especially women fighters, TOP KEK) run away after Turks came in guns blazing.

You think you're gonna win the war by giving Assad territory? That benefits Turkey more than it does YPG.

Anyways keep giving Assad territory while Turkey kek's at your dumb strategy.

Coward donkeys.

 

[TheCamelGuy]

No they can't. Not after Erdogan-Barzani deal.
Peshmerga power is not weak as before, they got day after day, more and more support and equipment. And they want day after day more autonomy.. till they got their own country. So they gonna take more and more territories, to make them even bigger.. for a "maybe" incoming country. Kurds want it-Barzani want it and Turkey Want it.

IRaq under Saddam was a Country. Today Iraq is a puppet/proxiy used and raped by whoever may want to have a go... They sold their country for the higher bidder...

barzani erdogan deal... the PMU doesn't care about either of them, Turkey won't do anything against the PMU, too risky politically and military not as easy as you think.

Barzani won't leave Iraq, If I still have to explain why you know not enough.

 

[blondeturkish]

PMU has to take Sinjar entirely from the Barzanistanis, they easily can, the problem is they listen to Baghdad and Baghdad isn't hawkish as it was under Saddam.

the American have in vested alot in krg all the oil companies in there are run by american. and they have a base there

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

PMU has to take Sinjar entirely from the Barzanistanis, they easily can, the problem is they listen to Baghdad and Baghdad isn't hawkish as it was under Saddam.

They should. Most Kurds would welcome it since they despise Barzani and his corrupt cronies.

A lot assumptions, we will see whos on the shorter end, if you really think that Assad is gonna leave chunks of Syria to Kurds then you are dead wrong.

Assad doesn't have a choice. He knows he can't retake all of Syria anymore, so he has to choose between the Kurds and the cannibalistic jihadist rapists, in which case he'll invariably choose the Kurds every single time.

Russia will decide Syria's fate, and the Russians have made it perfectly clear that they see the federalization of Syria as a solution to the civil war. This means that the Kurds in Syria will get their own Iraqi-style Kurdish autonomy.

Assad will accept it because it's a much better deal than having northern Syria get taken over by radical Islamic lunatics. Also, Assad is very cunning, much like his father. He doesn't want to screw the YPG Kurds since he wants to be able to always use them against Turkey in order to extort concessions from Ankara. The Russians share the same sentiments.

No they can't. Not after Erdogan-Barzani deal.
Peshmerga power is not weak as before, they got day after day, more and more support and equipment. And they want day after day more autonomy.. till they got their own country. So they gonna take more and more territories, to make them even bigger.. for a "maybe" incoming country. Kurds want it-Barzani want it and Turkey Want it.

IRaq under Saddam was a Country. Today Iraq is a puppet/proxiy used and raped by whoever may want to have a go... They sold their country for the higher bidder...

Baghdad will never be able to destroy Kurdish autonomy in northern Iraq, nor does it want to. Baghdad simply wants to get rid of the criminal Barzani, as do most Kurds by the way. The majority of Iraqi Kurds hate the fact that Barzani is too close to Turkey. If given the choice in a free and fair election, they'd pick someone neutral to take over the KRG. Don't forget that there are many Iraqi Kurds who have close ties to Baghdad and Tehran and are waiting for the right moment to get rid of Barzani.

 

[TheCamelGuy]

the American have in vested alot in krg all the oil companies in there are run by american. and they have a base there

The Americans don't want Arbil bombed to shit, the Americans don't care about the disputes between Baghdad and Arbil, if territory is taken here and there from whoever it doesn't affect them. They have access to bases in the rest of Iraq as well.

They won't choose a side in this.

 

[blondeturkish]

The Americans don't want Arbil bombed to shit, the Americans don't care about the disputes between Baghdad and Arbil, if territory is taken here and there from whoever it doesn't affect them. They have access to bases in the rest of Iraq as well.

They won't choose a side in this.

the peshmerga are not weak as you think. the american have armed them to the teeth...

 

[HannibalBarca]

They should. Most Kurds would welcome it since they despise Barzani and his corrupt cronies.


Assad doesn't have a choice. He knows he can't retake all of Syria anymore, so he has to choose between the Kurds and the cannibalistic jihadist rapists, in which case he'll invariably choose the Kurds every single time.

Russia will decide Syria's fate, and the Russians have made it perfectly clear that they see the federalization of Syria as a solution to the civil war. This means that the Kurds in Syria will get their own Iraqi-style Kurdish autonomy.

Assad will accept it because it's a much better deal than having northern Syria get taken over by radical Islamic lunatics. Also, Assad is very cunning, much like his father. He doesn't want to screw the YPG Kurds since he wants to be able to always use them against Turkey in order to extort concessions from Ankara. The Russians share the same sentiments.


Baghdad will never be able to destroy Kurdish autonomy in northern Iraq, nor does it want to. Baghdad simply wants to get rid of the criminal Barzani, as do most Kurds by the way. The majority of Iraqi Kurds hate the fact that Barzani is too close to Turkey. If given the choice in a free and fair election, they'd pick someone neutral to take over the KRG. Don't forget that there are many Iraqi Kurds who have close ties to Baghdad and Tehran and are waiting for the right moment to get rid of Barzani.

The difference you may want or not to forget is that Iraqi Kurds are not ... syrian kurds... Barzani is not an angel... but he's supported by the a good majority in Iraq Kurdistan... and by International key figures... So nope, majority of iraqi kurds do NOT HATE him, neither LOVE him, but they support him.
As for Iraq, They want a weaker KRG, since you can't have 2 Kings in the same Kingdom.
Well they mostly want KRG to handover those oil fields... that peshmerga took since the ISIS conflict...

 

[blondeturkish]

The difference you may want or not to forget is that Iraqi Kurds are not ... syrian kurds... Barzani is not an angel... but he's supported by the a good majority in Iraq Kurdistan... and by International key figures... So nope, majority of iraqi kurds do NOT HATE him, neither LOVE him, but they support him.
As for Iraq, They want a weaker KRG, since you can't have 2 Kings in the same Kingdom.
Well they mostly want KRG to handover those oil fields... that peshmerga took since the ISIS conflict...

that pi*** has a love affair with the kurds, maybe she is in love with a hairy kurdish guy

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

The difference you may want or not to forget is that Iraqi Kurds are not ... syrian kurds... Barzani is not an angel... but he's supported by the a good majority in Iraq Kurdistan... and by International key figures... So nope, majority of iraqi kurds do NOT HATE him, neither LOVE him, but they support him.
As for Iraq, They want a weaker KRG, since you can't have 2 Kings in the same Kingdom.
Well they mostly want KRG to handover those oil fields... that peshmerga took since the ISIS conflict...

I wouldn't say they want a weaker KRG, but they definitely want a more compliant KRG.

I don't think you even realize how much the Iraqi Kurds hate Barzani by the way. You only have to speak to a few Iraqi Kurds to realize how hated he is.

They hate him and his clan/tribe for many reasons, not just political. The Barzanis have monopolized Iraqi Kurdistan's society and economy. There's a lot of nepotism and corruption in that region due to the Barzanis. And to add insult to injury, many Iraqi Kurds believe that Barzani has betrayed the Kurdish cause in exchange for money from Ankara.

There's a growing movement in Iraqi Kurdistan that's calling for better ties with Baghdad and Tehran and the removal of Barzani from power.

If Barzani's Peshmerga forces escalate the political crisis in Iraqi Kurdistan, then you can rest assured that the PMU will eventually intervene. Don't forget that there are many Shia Kurds fighting for the PMU. Also, the PMU has established a substantial presence in some Shia Kurdish areas near Sulaymaniyah with the blessing of the Talabani clan.

 

[xenon54 out]

Assad doesn't have a choice. He knows he can't retake all of Syria anymore, so he has to choose between the Kurds and the cannibalistic jihadist rapists, in which case he'll invariably choose the Kurds every single time.

Russia will decide Syria's fate, and the Russians have made it perfectly clear that they see the federalization of Syria as a solution to the civil war. This means that the Kurds in Syria will get their own Iraqi-style Kurdish autonomy.

Assad will accept it because it's a much better deal than having northern Syria get taken over by radical Islamic lunatics. Also, Assad is very cunning, much like his father. He doesn't want to screw the YPG Kurds since he wants to be able to always use them against Turkey in order to extort concessions from Ankara. The Russians share the same sentiments.

And i tell you Russia will make sure Assad gets all parts of Syria back and Turkey will accept it since its better SAA having it than ypg, it all depends on how far US will go to protect its proxies.
It make no sense to me that Russia would accept a autonomous region that will serve as another base for US, preventing this is actually their first priority.

 

[SouI]

I wouldn't say they want a weaker KRG, but they definitely want a more compliant KRG.

I don't think you even realize how much the Iraqi Kurds hate Barzani by the way. You only have to speak to a few Iraqi Kurds to realize how hated he is.

They hate him and his clan/tribe for many reasons, not just political. The Barzanis have monopolized Iraqi Kurdistan's society and economy. There's a lot of nepotism and corruption in that region due to the Barzanis. And to add insult to injury, many Iraqi Kurds believe that Barzani has betrayed the Kurdish cause in exchange for money from Ankara.

There's a growing movement in Iraqi Kurdistan that's calling for better ties with Baghdad and Tehran and the removal of Barzani from power.

If Barzani's Peshmerga forces escalate the political crisis in Iraqi Kurdistan, then you can rest assured that the PMU will eventually intervene. Don't forget that there are many Shia Kurds fighting for the PMU. Also, the PMU has established a substantial presence in some Shia Kurdish areas near Sulaymaniyah with the blessing of the Talabani clan.

You seem to be more and more of a nationalist Kurdish man than an Arab woman with every passing post of yours.

 

[HannibalBarca]

I wouldn't say they want a weaker KRG, but they definitely want a more compliant KRG.

I don't think you even realize how much the Iraqi Kurds hate Barzani by the way. You only have to speak to a few Iraqi Kurds to realize how hated he is.

They hate him and his clan/tribe for many reasons, not just political. The Barzanis have monopolized Iraqi Kurdistan's society and economy. There's a lot of nepotism and corruption in that region due to the Barzanis. And to add insult to injury, many Iraqi Kurds believe that Barzani has betrayed the Kurdish cause in exchange for money from Ankara.

There's a growing movement in Iraqi Kurdistan that's calling for better ties with Baghdad and Tehran and the removal of Barzani from power.

If Barzani's Peshmerga forces escalate the political crisis in Iraqi Kurdistan, then you can rest assured that the PMU will eventually intervene. Don't forget that there are many Shia Kurds fighting for the PMU. Also, the PMU has established a substantial presence in some Shia Kurdish areas near Sulaymaniyah with the blessing of the Talabani clan.

A part hate him the other not. But a majority STILL support him, at least till today.
IF an escalation btw KRG and PMU arise, like an armed conflict, war or smthing similar, well be assured it will not be against those two only... it will be a proxy war like in syria, a Turkey/US axis vs IRanian/militia/RU axis that will end into a Sunni vs Shia again...

ANd even the GCC will be in it... and beyond...

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

Lol YPG did this for no other reason that bein scared shitless of a Turkish attack on Manbij. We saw your "brave Kurdish fighters" (especially women fighters, TOP KEK) run away after Turks came in guns blazing.

You think you're gonna win the war by giving Assad territory? That benefits Turkey more than it does YPG.

Anyways keep giving Assad territory while Turkey kek's at your dumb strategy.

Coward donkeys.

The Turkish-backed rebels lost territory to the Syrian Kurds in the last couple of days, in case you didn't know that.

The Syrian Kurds managed to recapture Tall Turin, Qarah and Jubb al Hamir from the Turkish-backed jihadists.

And if the Russian-brokered deal between the YPG and SAA gets finalized, then Turkey won't be able to do anything since the SAA will take over the demarcation line between the YPG and Euphrates Shield forces.

The YPG hasn't really given up much territory to Assad. All it has done was allow the SAA to take over the demarcation line.

Like it or not, that was a very smart move. It means that Turkey can't attack the Kurds in Manbij unless it attacks the SAA first, which will prompt a Russian military response.

The Turks achieved nothing by invading the Azaz-Jarabulus corridor. Trade has resumed between Afrin canton and the rest of Rojava via SAA-held Aleppo. So what exactly did Erdogan achieve? If anything, he lost a lot of credibility after he gave up on Aleppo.

A part hate him the other not. But a majority STILL support him, at least till today.
IF an escalation btw KRG and PMU arise, like an armed conflict, war or smthing similar, well be assured it will not be against those two only... it will be a proxy war like in syria, a Turkey/US axis vs IRanian/militia/RU axis that will end into a Sunni vs Shia again...

ANd even the GCC will be in it... and beyond...

It won't get that bad, in my opinion.

I think the Kurds will eventually settle their own differences.

That said, you shouldn't underestimate Baghdad. They're not as weak as you think.