Turkish Naval Programs

[aziqbal]

It's incredible how we only have two of these tanks but we have tons of pictures and videos of them. Creating the illusion of having a proper tank force.

I dont anyone is trying to create any illusion

its a proof of concept showing a MBT rolling off the LHD and its fair enough

btw I think the Ada Class is more beautiful to look at than the I-Class !

 

[LegionnairE]

I dont anyone is trying to create any illusion

its a proof of concept showing a MBT rolling off the LHD and its fair enough

Why not both? lol

 

[Oublious]

I class together with Pakistain or Ukrain Milgem.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1658527103778684956

 

[aziqbal]

I class together with Pakistain or Ukrain Milgem.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1658527103778684956

where exactly will the Ukrainian MILGEM be based?

 

[Foinikas]

29 May, 2023. Remember this date, because it will be written in history books

Because of a frigate?

This will create an asymmetry in our region that no rival force can compete with

Don't be so sure. Egypt's doing pretty well.

 

[Oublious]

Don't be so sure. Egypt's doing pretty well.

lol

monkey models, they don't have data-link, downgraded EW suite you can see ther ships have 1 ew suite one side of the ship and thats german ship only. Coming back to ther France and Italian ships with no EW suite, no SATCOM. Ther Fremm ship with almost 7000ton do not have long range SAM the armament is light for a heavy ship. Germans selling ther old gen subs and they are happy T209/1400.

German sell them ship with only 32 MICA's, thats nothing but monkey models. And yet they are happy. Egypt is doing pretty well with ther level yes.

where exactly will the Ukrainian MILGEM be based?

Something like Pakistan ship, MICA and ther own Anti ship missile systems.

Look to the beaty ship, with EW suite and AESA Cenk radar on the top, CIWS Gokdeniz

 

[Foinikas]

German sell them ship with only 32 MICA's, thats nothing but monkey models. And yet they are happy. Egypt is doing pretty well with ther level yes.

"Only" 32 MICA? Yes,Egypt is doing pretty well.

Ther Fremm ship with almost 7000ton do not have long range SAM the armament is light for a heavy ship.

Aster-15 is pretty ok. It's not Aster-30,but it's still pretty darn good. Light armament? That's not true. If anything,their Italian FREMM are heavily armed. Their French FREMM is standard armed.

Check their MEKO A-200EN.

Oh that's not enough? They are also complemented by 7 corvettes

And they have a lot of FAC to swarm you.

You got better submarines,you might say. They have 8 submarine chasers. Yes,they're Chinese. But even if half of them work,that's good.

Oh you have the Anadolu? Well they have

 

[Oublious]

"Only" 32 MICA? Yes,Egypt is doing pretty well.


Aster-15 is pretty ok. It's not Aster-30,but it's still pretty darn good. Light armament? That's not true. If anything,their Italian FREMM are heavily armed. Their French FREMM is standard armed.

Check their MEKO A-200EN.

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Oh that's not enough? They are also complemented by 7 corvettes

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And they have a lot of FAC to swarm you.

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You got better submarines,you might say. They have 8 submarine chasers. Yes,they're Chinese. But even if half of them work,that's good.


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Oh you have the Anadolu? Well they have

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You don't get the point, they will never be able used it with ther full potential. Downgraded EW suite for german ships, no data-link and no SATCOM, paying the full price but not getting the best equipment .

 

[Foinikas]

You don't get the point, they will never be able used it with ther full potential. Downgraded EW suite for german ships, no data-link and no SATCOM, paying the full price but not getting the best equipment .

Don't underestimate them. They can do some damage with all the stuff they have.

 

[MMM-E]

Don't be so sure. Egypt's doing pretty well.

Nothing match with Turkish Robotic War concept

Egyptian Navy FREMM Frigates are so pathetic armed with only 16 x ASTER-15 SAMs with range of 35 km

New MEKO-A200 Frigate armed with 32 MICA-NG VL SAMs with range of 40 km


Egyptian Navy can not match with even Turkish UCAV fire power

even 10 AKINCI UCAVs to carry 80 KUZGUN-TJ Missiles for swarm attack on FREMM Frigate
and game over ... range of 180+ km

even 10 TB-2 UCAVs to carry 40 KEMANKES Kamikaze Drones for swarm attack on FREMM Frigate to hit Radar Systems and game over .. range of 250 km

or 10 AKINCI UCAVs to fire 80 ALPAGUT Kamikaze Drones for swarm attack on FREMM Frigates to hit Radar Systems and game over .. range of 60 km

warhead 11 kg and IIR -TV seeker for pinpoint accuracy

250-700 km SIMSEK and SUPER SIMSEK Kamikaze Drones on the way for swarm attack
speed of mach 0.9

10 AKINCI UCAV to carry 40 CAKIR anti-ship Missiles to hit enemy Warship

range of 150km

10 AKINCI UCAV to carry 40 TRLG-230 laser guided supersonic Missiles to hit enemy Warship

range of 150km

and final attack
AKINCI UCAV to carry even 280 km SOM anti-ship Missile

even to send 10 F-16 or HURJET armed with 80 TOLUN-IIR or KUZGUN-SS guided munitions for swarm attack on FREMM - MEKO-A200 Frigates to hit radar systems and game over ... range of 100+ km

10 unmanned Vessels to carry 80 KUZGUN missiles for swarm attack on FREMM Frigate

also ORKA lightweight torpedos

even I am not talking about upcoming ANKA-3 and KIZILELMA to carry 150-180 km CAKIR and KUZGUN-TJ Missiles to hit enemy Warships

Egyptian Navy 3 FREMM Frigates armed with total of 48 ASTER-15 SAMs
250 Turkish UCAVs to carry 1.000+ guided munitions-missiles .. game over !

Turkish Navy modernized MEKO-200 Frigate armed with 64 ESSM -HISAR-D SAMs
Turkish Navy ISTIF Frigate armed with 64 HISAR-D SAMs

Turkish UCAVs to escort ISTIF Frigates for extra fire power and protection in a conflict

 

[Foinikas]

Nothing match with Turkish Robotic War concept

Egyptian Navy FREMM Frigates are so pathetic armed with only 16 x ASTER-15 SAMs with range of 35 km

New MEKO-A200 Frigate armed with 32 MICA-NG VL SAMs with range of 40 km


Egyptian Navy can not match with even Turkish UCAV fire power

even 10 AKINCI UCAVs to carry 80 KUZGUN-TJ Missiles for swarm attack on FREMM Frigate
and game over ... range of 180+ km

even 10 TB-2 UCAVs to carry 40 KEMANKES Kamikaze Drones for swarm attack on FREMM Frigate to hit Radar Systems and game over .. range of 250 km

or 10 AKINCI UCAVs to fire 80 ALPAGUT Kamikaze Drones for swarm attack on FREMM Frigates to hit Radar Systems and game over .. range of 60 km

warhead 11 kg and IIR -TV seeker for pinpoint accuracy
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250-700 km SIMSEK and SUPER SIMSEK Kamikaze Drones on the way for swarm attack
speed of mach 0.9
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10 AKINCI UCAV to carry 40 CAKIR anti-ship Missiles to hit enemy Warship

range of 150km

10 AKINCI UCAV to carry 40 TRLG-230 laser guided supersonic Missiles to hit enemy Warship

range of 150km

and final attack
AKINCI UCAV to carry even 280 km SOM anti-ship Missile

even to send 10 F-16 or HURJET armed with 80 TOLUN-IIR or KUZGUN-SS guided munitions for swarm attack on FREMM - MEKO-A200 Frigates to hit radar systems and game over ... range of 100+ km
View attachment 931478


10 unmanned Vessels to carry 80 KUZGUN missiles for swarm attack on FREMM Frigate

also ORKA lightweight torpedos

even I am not talking about upcoming ANKA-3 and KIZILELMA to carry 150-180 km CAKIR and KUZGUN-TJ Missiles to hit enemy Warships

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Egyptian Navy 3 FREMM Frigates armed with total of 48 ASTER-15 SAMs
250 Turkish UCAVs to carry 1.000+ guided munitions-missiles .. game over !

Turkish Navy modernized MEKO-200 Frigate armed with 64 ESSM -HISAR-D SAMs
Turkish Navy ISTIF Frigate armed with 64 HISAR-D SAMs

Turkish UCAVs to escort ISTIF Frigates for extra fire power and protection in a conflict
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Here we go again...

 

[dBSPL]

The second phase of MILGEM, the Istanbul frigate, is a historical turning point for the Turkish navy and its resurrection after 200 years. The ship is a tailored system in accordance with the doctrine and approaches of the Turkish Navy, from design to production and all system engineering. All the suites you see on the main mast are domestically produced and all EW and Radar systems are run with the state of art combat management system and communication systems of Turkish engineers. All electronic systems radar and lighting, tracking systems, weapon systems, firing systems and control systems to be used in engagement are domestically produced. Countermeasure systems are the same way. Manned and unmanned systems to be directed and managed from the ship are indigenously developed and produced in accordance with the same doctrines. The joint operation doctrine in the battlefield and network-centred combat design and systems are part of the domestic industry. There is not only indigenisation of the end system, but the real progress has been achieved in the sub-components and material technologies that make up each subsystem.

In short, it is not the ship's firepower that makes this ship a strategic point. It is the fact that it was designed within the doctrines of the Turkish navy and that all of the systems in it were developed in the same way without any restrictions. Export products are electronically limited, logistics depends on the export country. You are subject to both technical and political restrictions. This milestone heralds the opening of a new era in the Turkish navy. For this reason, 29 May is a page that will be boldly underlined in history books in the future.

Firsts are always difficult. The aftermath comes like a pile of socks. When you look at this ship, what you should see is not the ship itself, but its successors and what they will lead to. No country that does not have similar industrial capabilities and such a large naval ecosystem covering all sub-systems can fight this with only off-the-shelf purchases. It cannot close the economic black hole it would create.

A medium-sized navy has an average of 150-200 long-range AShMs. External procurement of an order of this size takes a minimum of 4 years, even after all bureaucratic processes. For a country that produces the same systems itself, it is only a few months. Even if you look at the situation from such a narrow perspective, the situation is clear.

Love or hate MMME. You may or may not find their rhetoric exaggerated. Ignore his own interpretations, but pay attention to the information he provides you, even if it is very rough and often based on the end-systems. Because the spear no longer fits in the sack.

 

[Zarvan]

Here we go again...

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Right now, Turkish Air Force is facing some issues but introduction of KAAN would change that for good. Plus, they can if they want to get 4.5th Generation Fighter Jets from China. Greece no matter how much you brag is not even close to matching Turkish Power.

For true Naval Power Turkey needs Destroyers and Submarines with VLS to carry and fire cruise missiles and even in future Ballistic Missile carrying submarines also.

 

[Foinikas]

Right now, Turkish Air Force is facing some issues but introduction of KAAN would change that for good.

IF the aircraft is good after all. Remember,it's Turkey's attempt at a 5th generation stealth fighter. Countries with half a century of aircraft knowledge and technical superiority have had trouble making a succesful one. Turkey is still new to this.
So it might be good and it might be bad. We'll see. And by then,we might have F-35s.

Plus, they can if they want to get 4.5th Generation Fighter Jets from China.

That would be very interesting. Because a NATO country that has only been using Western aircraft,will be using a non-NATO type. We're talking about a completely aircraft designed with a completely different philosophy,tactics and arms. It would take the Turkish pilots more time to train on them,get accustomed to them. It would take Turkey to build a brand new logistics chain,train engineers,make modifications,try to see if all systems can be integrated with the rest of the Turkish Air Force's NATO equipment. I'm not saying Turks can't do it,of course they can. It would take some time though. And it could make the Americans and most of NATO countries impose heavier sanctions on them.

Greece no matter how much you brag is not even close to matching Turkish Power.

Overall? No. Of course not. Besides,we have a defence doctrine. Not planning to invade or start a war.

For true Naval Power Turkey needs Destroyers and Submarines with VLS to carry and fire cruise missiles and even in future Ballistic Missile carrying submarines also.

Yeah but why? Who is the enemy after all? Is Turkey planning to go to war with USA? With Russia? With China? With some Western European power? With a Muslim country? If not,why spend billions and billions to buy so much heavy equipment that only a superpower can have or needs?

 

[MMM-E]

IF the aircraft is good after all. Remember,it's Turkey's attempt at a 5th generation stealth fighter. Countries with half a century of aircraft knowledge and technical superiority have had trouble making a succesful one. Turkey is still new to this.

Our TF-23 stealth design is much better than Russian SU-57
And Turkiye has great experience and technology to produce high quality aircraft structural

even Turkiye produced fuselage with zero error which is the most important part of F-35

And of course the latest technology GaN based AESA Radar , IRST , EOTS and EW Suite by ASELSAN

Also GOKHAN ramjet powered long range air to air missile which supperior to METEOR

and TF-23 to be the top level when Turkish turbofan Engine developed as of 2030

And by then,we might have F-35s.

Greece will get the first F-35 in 2028

on the other hand Turkiye as of 2028
-- 20 TF-23 Fighter Jets
-- 72 KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jets
-- Dozens of ANKA-3 flying-wing stealth UCAVs

and 190+ F-16s to be modernized by Turkiye with indigenous AESA Radar and Systems


Turkiye has laid out its vision for the future of tactical air combat

Multi-layered distributed team of diverse unmanned aircraft working in concert with manned types

TF-23 , ANKA-3 and KIZILELMA
that distributed team is operating with each one with their own unique roles