Turkish Naval Programs

[Foinikas]

stupid troll .. dont jump from topic to another topic

Type23 or another Frigates will also carry ASW Helicopters

I was talking about 12 ASW Planes ( CN-235 and ATR-72 ) which are more than Hellenic+Egyptian Navies combined

How am I even jumping from "topic to another topic"? Lol!

Do you understand what you're saying? You keep boasting about having a bigger ASW capability than Greece and Egypt combined with more helicopters as well. You're saying you need a frigate type with good ASW capabilities to escort your helicopter/drone carrier and then you yourself say that you already have ships with good ASW capabilities.

So if you have many ASW helicopters that can take-off from ....well a helicopter carrier and you have ships that can escort it...you don't need Type 23s frigates.

You contradict yourself with what you say!

I have to agree. We lose much more money to corruption than what Eurofighters could cost

Our beloved president is living in a billion $ palace with gold clad furniture. They better not come to me and say we don't have money.

Don't forget the son-in-law

 

[LegionnairE]

Don't forget the son-in-law

Amazing economist.

 

[MMM-E]

In order to answer you, you must first clarify which ships the Turkish navy will withdraw to put the British ones into service.
Also, Type 23s are not suitable for escorting landing parties or aircraft carriers, they are general purpose ships for the open seas, which is why they do notincorporate CIWS, Phalanx or RAM.

Type-23 Frigate easly can protect/escort TCG ANADOLU for Libya

-- range of 7.500 nm ( 14.000 km )
-- Artisan 3D Radar is modern
-- 2087 Sonar is excellent

-- 32 cells VLS to carry 32 SAMs .. ( 3 Ships to carry 96 SAMs )

and Turkiye to modernize Type-23 Frigates with most modern ADVENT Combat Management System and 20 or 35 mm CIWS

 

[Akritas]

You're reading this wrong.

Turkey went shopping for TFX engines and a bunch of other things got offered, we're evaluating them.


Turkey is also aiming for numerical & tonnage superiority so there's a little bit of "more ships = better" philosophy going on I think


With F35 now off the table, EF is the only reallistic option.

That is, Turkey will spend half a billion for ships it does not need(this cost does not include the installation and certification of new systems), 2 billion for EFs which are outdated just to get......engines from the UK!!!!
The money is yours, the Turkish people are paying for Erdogan's politics.

Not to bore the subject, it is clear that there are issues with the old Perries frigates, they have also been seen in Libya, ships that are old and costly, also it is clear that Turkey is looking for 4.5 generation aircrafts due to the American sanctions, which will continue as long as Turkey demonstrates arrogant and maximalist behavior.

 

[MMM-E]

So if you have many ASW helicopters that can take-off from ....well a helicopter carrier and you have ships that can escort it...you don't need Type 23s frigates.

Our Admirals dont know about it but a silly Greek troll knows

ASW Helicopters can not carry Air Defense Missiles
ASW Helicopters can not carry Anti-Ship Missiles

and Turkiye needs more platforms to match with multi-national threats in the Black Sea , in the Aegean , in the Eastern Mediterranean , in Libya , Qatar , Somalia

also to escort/protect TCG ANADOLU carrier group

 

[merzifonlu]

-- Type-23 Frigate has 2087 Sonar is excellent anti-Submarine capability

No. The ships that the UK put up for sale do not have the sonar mentioned. There is no logical reason for me to buy these ships. If it is a concession for the TFX engine, then it would be a sensible purchase. If the Milgem project had not been interfered with for political reasons, 4+4 Milgem would have been in the inventory by now.

 

[LegionnairE]

That is, Turkey will spend half a billion for ships it does not need, 2 billion for EFs which are outdated just to get......engines from the UK!!!!
Not to bore the subject, it is clear that there are issues with the old Perries frigates, they have also been seen in Libya, ships that are old and costly, also it is clear that he is looking for 4.5 generation aircraft due to the American sanctions, which will continue as long as Turkey demonstrates arrogant and maximalist behavior.

Well, doesn't need is a relative term and devil is in the details.

Right now Burak class is scheduled to be replaced by OPVs and I'm not a big fan of OPVs. Type23 is a much better armed ship that's immediately available.

No. The ships that the UK put up for sale do not have the sonar mentioned. There is no logical reason for me to buy these ships. If it is a concession for the TFX engine, then it would be a sensible purchase. If the Milgem project had not been interfered with for political reasons, 4+4 Milgem would have been in the inventory by now.

That would be the best

Ada class is definitely a better ASW ship than Type 23. But erdo had to put his nose in it.

 

[Foinikas]

Our Admirals dont know about it but a silly Greek troll knows

Admirals already are against it.

 

[LegionnairE]

Admirals already are against it.

Yeah it looks more and more like it's not going to happen.

The more and more I think about it, less and less it makes sense


@merzifonlu is right, we should have built those Ada class ships.

 

[Foinikas]

No. The ships that the UK put up for sale do not have the sonar mentioned.

Which proves that the specific poster is again posting wrong info and overhyped stuff.

Yeah it looks more and more like it's not going to happen.

The more and more I think about it, less and less it makes sense

Like @merzifonlu said,if it was part of a deal for engines and more heavy equipment (like brand new and upgraded Eurofighters)then ok,it would make sense.

 

[LegionnairE]

Like @merzifonlu said,if it was part of a deal for engines and more heavy equipment (like brand new and upgraded Eurofighters)then ok,it would make sense.

Still though... we'll have to spend a lot of money making these ships compatible with TN infrastructure. Even though on surface it looks like a fairly well modernized ship. None of it's systems we know and use.

 

[Foinikas]

Still though... we'll have to spend a lot of money making these ships compatible with TN infrastructure. Even though on surface it looks like a fairly well modernized ship. None of it's systems we know and use.

MMM-E will now say that all 4 of us are "ignorant trolls" who "know nothing of military and politics".

 

[MMM-E]

No. The ships that the UK put up for sale do not have the sonar mentioned. There is no logical reason for me to buy these ships. If it is a concession for the TFX engine, then it would be a sensible purchase. If the Milgem project had not been interfered with for political reasons, 4+4 Milgem would have been in the inventory by now.

Turkiye is not stupid to buy useless Ships
5 of 12 Type-23 Frigates lacks 2087 Sonar ....

2087 Sonar is a towed-array system
The Chilean Navy bought a number of Sonar 2087 towed arrays from Thales to equip its Type-23 Frigates


UK offered 2 Type-23 Frigates to Greece as a gift if they bought 4 Type31 Frigates . But Greece prefered the French FDI Frigates

maybe UK offers 3 Type-23 Frigates to Turkiye as a gift or at reasonable cost
if we buys Eurofighters and other Weapon Systems from The UK



4 OHP class Frigates are 40+ years outdated Frigates which lacks VLS , modern air defense missiles , Radar and Electronic Systems

Turkiye can buy and modernize 3 Type-23 Frigates for total of $250 million in 18 months

32 cells VLS
modern air defense missiles
Modern Radar
Modern Systems
10 years younger than OHP class Frigates

Our Admirals knows needs or not

 

[LegionnairE]

MMM-E will now say that all 4 of us are "ignorant trolls" who "know nothing of military and politics".

He thinks I'm your alt account. What more should I say?

Our Admirals knows needs or not

Sheep only know to follow the shepard. You're a good sheep.

4 OHP class Frigates are 40+ years outdated Frigates which lacks VLS , modern air defense missiles , Radar and Electronic Systems

OHPs are going to stay. They went through extensive modernization and we know them inside out.

 

[MMM-E]

OHPs are going to stay. They went through extensive modernization and we know them inside out.

only 4 of 8 OHP Frigates were modernized with 8 cells VLS to fire 32 ESSM , SMART-S Radar , etc


4 OHP class Frigates are 40+ years outdated Frigates which lacks VLS , modern air defense missiles , Radar and Electronic Systems

Sheep only know to follow the shepard. You're a good sheep.

You are an ignorant dog ,, barking lap dog ..nothing else