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I respect Turkish hardware and I have always welcomed Pakistan - Turkish cooperation in all sectors including defense. I am a friend.
But being a friend does not entail disregarding critical thinking and common sense. I do not appreciate and endorse statements like "but F-15 is a joke .... F-16V and RAFALE is full of joke". Do you honestly expect anybody sensible to take you seriously in view of these claims? You need to understand this problem.
Let's recheck the information that was shared before:
In First, Russia’s S-300 Fired 13 Missiles At Israeli F-16I Over Syrian Airspace, All 13 Missiles Failed!
Israeli F-16I fighter jets are fitted with Rafael Skyshield advanced jamming POD that deceived Russian S-400 and S-300 surface-to-air missiles since Russia deployed its missile system in Syria. Rus…
www.globaldefensecorp.com
Emphasis mine. Israeli Air Force (IAF) equipped F-16I with Rafael Sky Shield jamming pod(s) to attack targets in Masyaf in a difficult and demanding mission in 2022. This configuration turned out to be survivable when up against advanced Syrian and Russian defenses in the region. Now let us have a look at different configurations:
F-16 Block 50/52+ = AN/APG-68(V)9 Pulse Doppler + AN/ALQ-211 AIDEWS
F-16I Sufa = AN/APG-68(V)9 Pulse Doppler + Elisra EW suite + Rafael Sky Shield jamming pod (SEAD)
Rafale F3R = AESA RBE2 + SPECTRA
F-16 Block 70/72+ = SABR AN/APG-83 AESA + AN/ALQ-254(V)1 AIDEWS*
*The ALQ-257 IVEWS is a completely internal electronic warfare suite, incorporating all Electronic Warfare functionality, including jamming of current and future threats. This means that it incorporates all functions previously performed by the ECM pods, freeing the F-16’s centerline station from the ALQ-131 and ALQ-184 pods and allowing it to be used for the 300 gal external fuel tank or other payloads.
Let’s Talk About The F-16’s Next-Generation Electronic Warfare Suite
The AN/ALQ-257 Integrated Viper Electronic Warfare Suite is set to replace the legacy EW systems of the U.S. Air Force F-16 fleet. The U.S. Air Force and
theaviationist.com
You need to understand these differences before passing verdicts like "but F-15 is a joke .... F-16V and RAFALE is full of joke". Both Rafale F3R and F-16V are equipped with sophisticated EW capabilities by default and Hellenic Air Force might not be hesitant to engage Turkish A2/AD systems with cruise missiles in a (hypothetical) war.
How many S-400 systems you have deployed? Are these integrated?
How many Siper systems you have deployed? Are these integrated?
Your A2/AD situation is lame to be honest.
You cannot rely upon these systems to counter Greek military in a (hypothetical) war.
Your statement ("Greek RAFALE cannot even come within 100 km of Turkish airspace in a conflict") cannot be taken seriously. There is no proof of an S-400 system obtaining a lock on an Rafale F3R around 200 KM mark. You are mistaking Rafale F3R for obsolete Ukrainian Mig-29. Rafale F3R is a FAR MORE capable and survivable jet fighter in comparison to Mig-29 variants in current times.
Turkish Air Force and standoff munitions such as drones and cruise missiles are your best bet for DEAD missions. Following article provides an excellent view of Greek and Turkish options:
Face-Off Over The Aegean: How Greek And Turkish Air Forces Stack Up
With tensions rising over energy reserves in the Aegean Sea, the disgruntled neighbors have air arms that are well-equipped and at high readiness.
www.thedrive.com
You have mentioned a variety of drones and missiles that can be used to attack Patriot systems in Greece but these will not be easy to overcome. Patriot systems have demonstrated the capability to intercept a wide range of airborne threats including drones the size of a quad-copter. Patriot systems are more reliable and capable than any air defense system in Turkish inventory due to following reason:
"Since it was first fielded, Patriot has been used by five nations in more than 250 combat engagements against manned and unmanned aircraft, cruise missiles, and tactical ballistic missiles. Since January of 2015, Patriot has intercepted more than 150 ballistic missiles in combat operations around the world; more than 90 of those intercepts involved the low-cost Raytheon-made Guidance Enhanced Missile family of surface-to-air missiles.
Those engagements were possible because Patriot is built on a foundation of more than 3,000 ground tests and over 1,400 flight tests.
Each and every time Patriot is tested or live fired, engineers uncover new ways to further improve or enhance the system. The improvements are necessary because the threat is constantly changing and becoming more sophisticated.
The result of the improvements and enhancements is that today’s Patriot is advanced, modern, and capable of defeating the full spectrum of threats. It shares the same name and basic purpose of the Patriot of the past, but that is where the similarity ends."
Greece have deployed a number of A2/AD systems and have linked them to different radar systems for situational awareness in the region:
Turkey might be well-equipped to defeat Greek S-300 PMU1 and TOR-M1 systems in clashes but Patriot systems will posit a significant threat to Turkish options.
Blue-On-Blue! The story of the U.S. Navy F/A-18 that was shot down by a U.S. Army PAC-3 Patriot missile battery during OIF - The Aviation Geek Club
Blue-On-Blue! The story of the U.S. Navy F/A-18 that was shot down by a U.S. Army PAC-3 Patriot missile battery during OIF
theaviationgeekclub.com
Ukrainian Patriot Missile Shot Down Russia’s Su-35 and Su-34 Fighter Bombers
The Ukrainian Air Force spokesman Yuriy Ignat said that five enemy air targets had been shot down in the Bryansk Region. The Ukrainian Air Force has published a video showing the MIM-104 Patriot ai…
www.globaldefensecorp.com
Greece also have AEW&C aircraft to monitor Turkish military activity in the region and Hellenic Air Force will be mobilized to counter Turkish Air Force and engage airborne threats in the process. Patriot systems will be very dangerous to contend with in this situation. Patriot systems can make it impractical for Turkish Air Force to operate very close to Greek mainland.
There are additional factors to consider. Who will be supporting Greece in this (hypothetical) war? What will be the situation in the sea? France might be willing to support Greece in this (hypothetical) war. This might become a problem for Turkey.
You speak in zero sum manner: Turkey have A B C D E F G H drones and missiles that it can throw at Greek defenses to win the war. If it was this simple. You can see Russia using a huge number of standoff munitions in Ukraine to limited effect. You can see Russia trying to defeat sophisticated defenses in Kyiv to no avail. You can see Russian navy suffering losses in the Black Sea. Russia did not expect NATO to provide weapons to Ukraine in war and this became a problem.
I do not think that US will welcome a war between NATO member states, you need to relax and chill.
Let's have a look at Israel now.
Israel's Vaunted Integrated Air Defense System Explained
Spurred by potent regional threats, Israel's air defense system is arguably the most capable on Earth and it may soon be put to the test.
www.thedrive.com
Israel is much better equipped to fight a conventional war than Greece and US is willing to support it.
Your statement ("Turkiye is not HAMAS") is not a valid position. Hamas does not fight Israel in conventional terms but in unconventional terms and Israel cannot open up on Gaza in full capacity due to global pressure. Turkish military operates in conventional terms and it has no choice but to contend with IDF in the conventional battle-space in a (hypothetical) war. This is where you will find out what Israel is made of.
Turkey is a regional power that can be respected but not a superpower like your posts seem to project.
