Turkish General Elections 2015 (June 7, 2015)

[SouI]

Strictly speaking true, but in practice false: Americans elect candidate-designated electors who then vote for president but that's pretty much a formality.

"Americans elect candidate-designated electors"

That is, in practice, NOT electing the president.

That is also the reason why 1 out of every 4 elections the president happens to be the one the minority of the nation voted for while the candidate the majority of the nation voted for fails.

 

[xenon54 out]

Strictly speaking true, but in practice false: Americans elect candidate-designated electors who then vote for president but that's pretty much a formality.

Thats how George Bush won 2000 election despite getting less votes than Al Gore.
Stupid and unnecessary system if you ask me, why do you need electors after a public election in the first place?

 

[SouI]

Thats how George Bush won 2000 election despite getting less votes than Al Gore.
Stupid and unnecessary system if you ask me, why do you need electors after a public election in the first place?

That has been designed in the early days of the newly created young The United States of America.

Because of the fact that the country was so massive, and technology just lacked a lot back in hundreds of years ago, a "middle-man" system was required as it was like impossible to physically bring votes to one center and count them one by one.

To make is simpler, the president is elected by 538 votes coming from "the state electors", and the vote counts are not proportional as well.

The system sucks but it was the best system back in old days.

However, because it is damn too hard for the US constitution to be able to be changed, no one could change the way how it works up to this day and it often keeps getting abused even today.

 

[xenon54 out]

That has been designed in the early days of the newly created young The United States of America.

Because of the fact that the country was so massive, and technology just lacked a lot back in hundreds of years ago, a "middle-man" system was required as it was like impossible to physically bring votes to one center and count them one by one.

To make is simpler, the president is elected by 538 votes coming from "the state electors", and the vote counts are not proportional as well.

The system sucks but it was the best system back in old days.

However, because it is damn too hard for the US constitution to be able to be changed, no one could change the way how it works up to this day and it often keeps getting abused even today.

Its a very open system for fraud, you just need to ''buy'' a couple electors et voila, welcome the new president.

 

[SouI]

Its a very open stystem for fraud, you just need to ''buy'' a couple electors et voila, welcome the new president.

That is also why it used to happen with obvious differences in the past.

Add Gerrymandering into the clusterfuck and there you have the US election system where money can buy, not only the presidency, but thanks to gerrymandering also the senate and the house of representatives as well!

 

[Bubblegum Crisis]

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As for US, American citizens do not get to elect their president. And considering the fact that US is ruled by a presidential system and presidents hold all the ruling power as well as the authority to own the government the way he wants, it is clear that US is also not a democracy.

lol lol lol

It's a joke.


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[SouI]

lol lol lol

It's a joke.


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Do you not know how to read? We have been talking about that subject for a while now.

 

[Timur]

Its always better to integrate people into Society

this is HDP leader as a terrorist:

yes good idea but not with terrorists! bring me a clean guy than it is ok

also you are wrong they are integrated if they want to.. if you do not play little terrorist

we had kurdish or half kurdish basbakan/cumhurbasbakan.. excample Turgut Özal or Bülent Ecevit

or Ismet Inönü..

you can be everything in Turkey if you are a kurt if you want to than be a popstar if you want to be Imam if you want to be President.. it depends not on your nationality it depends on your loyality and the love for your government..

 

[SouI]

this is HDP leader as a terrorist:

yes good idea but not with terrorists! bring me a clean guy than it is ok

also you are wrong they are integrated if they want to.. if you do not play little terrorist

we had kurdish or half kurdish basbakan/cumhurbasbakan.. excample Turgut Özal or Bülent Ecevit

or Ismet Inönü..

you can be everything in Turkey if you are a kurt if you want to than be a popstar if you want to be Imam if you want to be President.. it depends not on your nationality it depends on your loyality and the love for your government..

Apparently 13.3% of the nation disagrees with you.

 

[Timur]

I look at this picture. PKK Kurds waving Ataturk's flag, while Muslim Turks spit on Ataturk's picture.

HAHAHA...

Kurds abandoned AKP. And AKP stood in the open like a naked @ss.

if you are serious than wave a pkk flag.. hope you are not serious with this

Apparently 13.3% of the nation disagrees with you.

what do you personally want to say with this?

 

[Solomon2]

"Americans elect candidate-designated electors"
That is, in practice, NOT electing the president.
That is also the reason why 1 out of every 4 elections the president happens to be the one the minority of the nation voted for while the candidate the majority of the nation voted for fails.

Oh, that's what you mean! Voting for the elector is still voting for president. The Electoral College was created by the Founding Fathers to give some more weight to smaller states in the Union. Winning the popular vote isn't enough. If it was, most presidential candidates would pay attention only to the largest states.

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

Who do the majority of the Turks want in his place ?

Me

It's a joke.

If mine is joke I wonder what yours is.

 

[Timur]

Bundestagswahl 2013 – Wikipedia

look at germany CDU is ruling its similar to turkish elections.. we just have to be normal and accept a coalition..

 

[xenon54 out]

Bundestagswahl 2013 – Wikipedia

look at germany CDU is ruling its similar to turkish elections.. we just have to be normal and accept a coalition..

That coalitions has flaws in Turkey isnt the systems fault but our politians, come on you can hardly say any of our politians are good.
In Germany it works just fine...
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Davutoglu just resigned as expected, lets see what happens in the next days.

Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan, Bakanlar Kurulu'nun istifasını kabul etti | Ntv.com.tr

 

[usernameless]

Why
Ardahan
How could this happen.......
Since when there are so many kurds there.......

I fon't think it's purely Kurds that made hdp big this time. Of vourse its a fact that the south east has voted more for hdp than akp this time, but there is also the claim, which is not far fetched at all, that some chp, mhp and former akp voters voted for hdp, just to either push them through the barriere and/or to avoid akp getting votes to change the constitution.

MHP and HDP? It is like an alliance between Turkish Army and PKK.

It will probably happen eventually though. Mhp has said that it is ready for a coaltion with the chp and mhp.