Turkish F-4 beat Chinese Su-27S 0:8

[gypgypgyp]

关于中国的军事新闻求助于官方消息你只能歇菜。你若只信这个，你永远不知道谁赢谁输

The website was hosted by Turkey. It is Turkey official not China official news

 

[SomeGuy]

I don't care who confirm the result

I confirm my post from official website of ANATOLIAN EAGLE

The website was hosted by Turkey. It is Turkey official not China official news

China, Turkey held joint air exercise: Pentagon | TRDEFENCE

Turkish press reports have said the exercises took place Sept. 20 through last Monday at the Konya air base in the Anatolia region. They came ahead of this week’s visit to Turkey by Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao

A Pentagon official, who asked not to be identified, said indications were that the Turkish air force flew F-4 Phantom fighters, used extensively by the US during the Vietnam War, while China flew Russian-built SU-27s.

I think what Jigs is saying is that these exercises (which took place on 20th Sept) were not part of Anatolian Eagle, even though they were conducted in the Anatolia region.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Jigs already said that it is highly unusual that the info is leaked due to the fact that information regarding exercises are kept strictly confidential. So either someone in PLAAF leaked this or some idiot is spreading rumors on the internet once again. I really don't see any reason for the PLAAF to leak this unless they are masochists.

could be internet rumours....who knows

i guess we must wait for more official sources

 

[Jigs]

China, Turkey held joint air exercise: Pentagon | TRDEFENCE





I think what Jigs is saying is that these exercises (which took place on 20th Sept) were not part of Anatolian Eagle, even though they were conducted in the Anatolia region.

Well they could be. What i was saying is these are not the official ones. In accordance with the time table of dates on the website. This was a special one. We have two types generally where one is international and one is only Turkey.

 

[no_name]

Hmmm someone releasing fake news in the hope that official will 'clear up' by releasing real details?

 

[siegecrossbow]

Hmmm someone releasing fake news in the hope that official will 'clear up' by releasing real details?

Fish for what info? That the PLAAF didn't get sodomized when employing flankers against F-4s?

 

[below_freezing]

Fish for what info? That the PLAAF didn't get sodomized when employing flankers against F-4s?

Do note that we don't even have a domestic media confirmation that this event even occured. They might want to see if it actually happened or not.

 

[no_name]

Fish for what info? That the PLAAF didn't get sodomized when employing flankers against F-4s?

Lol you do have a point...



edit: on the other hand Turkey may have already talked to US and Nato about this and F-4 may have been deemed acceptable for exercising with the "chicoms".

 

[razgriz19]

Holy ****!


2th division equip J-11B first batch. If what you state is correct, it mean J-11B which design and produced in 2006-2007 lost battle to F-4(when it was designed and produced?)

NOOOO, he was saying that Sukhois were from 2th division but the pilots are from navy!
those are navy pilots flying airforce's sukhois!

 

[SomeGuy]

Does anyone know if it was the basic Su-27SK that was used?

I heard these basic Flankers are fairly poor anyway - no true fire & forget BVR capability, whereas modernised F-4's can use AIM-120 and have true fire & forget BVR capability.

 

[Jigs]

Does anyone know if it was the basic Su-27SK that was used?

I heard these basic Flankers are fairly poor anyway - no true fire & forget BVR capability, whereas modernised F-4's can use AIM-120 and have true fire & forget BVR capability.

Idk how capable these Flankers are but our terminators do not have AIM-120 capability so the kills were made by AIM-7 seekers. If the info released is true and say F-16s took part then it would have been worse since those would be using a AIM-120 training seeker in conjunction with the APG-68v9. Terminators are only used for deep strike roles to begin with.

Our F-4 Terminator specs

F-4 Terminator 2020
The latest in a long line of F-4 variants, the Terminators are a batch of Turkish AF F-4Es, modernized by Israel. They differ from the existing F-4E airframe in a number of key areas; small strakes have been fitted above the air intakes to improve the agility of the admittedly lumbering fighter, new attachment fittings have also been added, to better handle modern weaponry. Other additions include stronger wing fold ribs, an updated canopy sill bar, and the replacement of some 20km of wiring (reducing weight by 750 kg) as well as most hydraulic and pneumatic lines and hoses.

The most radical changes occurred in the avionics department. All 2020s have been fitted with vastly updated suite, including MFDs (multifunction displays) as standard, and incorporating a number of new technologies. new Kaiser El-OP 976 wide-angle HUD and HOTAS system, high performance Elta EL/M-2032 ISAR-capable high-resolution SAR/GMTI (ground moving target indicator) multi-mode fire control radar (developed for the IAI Lavi), IAIC mission computer, new navigation equipment including GPS/INS connected to mapping mode, dual MIL-STD-553B databus managing avionics package, Astronautics Central Air Data Computer, new UHF and IFF packages, airborne video tape recorder (AVTR), Elta EL/L-8222 active ECM pod and Mikes (Aselsan) AN/ALQ-178V3 passive embedded SPEWS, and RWR.

Additionally they had AGM-142 Popeye/Have Nap integration, Litening-II targeting pods, and the capability to launch AGM-65D/G Maverick, AGM-88 HARM, GBU-8 HOBOS, GBU-10/12 Paveway II LGBs, general purpose and cluster bombs for air-to-ground missions, while retaining the capability to launch AIM-7 Sparrow and AIM-9 Sidewinder air-to-air missiles. It is also possible to install Pave Spike targeting pods and rocket pods of all sizes.

 

[gypgypgyp]

Does anyone know if it was the basic Su-27SK that was used?

I heard these basic Flankers are fairly poor anyway - no true fire & forget BVR capability, whereas modernised F-4's can use AIM-120 and have true fire & forget BVR capability.

All Su-27/J-11 in PLAAF has BVR capacity. PLAAF upgrade it around 2000. 1300-1500 R-77 was puchased. J-11B can carry PL-12.

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China, Turkey held joint air exercise: Pentagon | TRDEFENCE





I think what Jigs is saying is that these exercises (which took place on 20th Sept) were not part of Anatolian Eagle, even though they were conducted in the Anatolia region.

PLAAF arrived Turkey on 30 Sep 2010

 

[gypgypgyp]

NOOOO, he was saying that Sukhois were from 2th division but the pilots are from navy!
those are navy pilots flying airforce's sukhois!

It make news more like fake one.


2th division is A2A combat troop.

PLAN equip Su-30MKK is more like a striker/attacker.


And PLAN do not have training facility. All PLAN pilot was from PLAAF.


If you can read the chinese new, the first JH-7A pilot squadron who was trained by PLAN itself waere just have their first flight on JH-7A this year. I doubt PLAN will train pilot on Su-30MKK directly.

 

[topjumper]

Wow, this thread doubled in size overnight with people arguing with each other over some "unknown details"!

Seriously, if the information doesnt sound true, its source doesn't look to be true, and it logically doesn't seem true, then allow me to say the obvious-- it's most probably not true, period. Read the piles of messages again yourself - speculations of the radar, data link, missiles, no. of planes, the pilots annual flying hours, the breakfast the pilot had, the type of tea he drank, the color of the underpants he wore during the flight (白裤衩/white(flag)), the size of the pilot's mother-in-law's shoe when she was 18 (size 8, hence 8:0) etc etc are all just... well, you get the message. These days as long as you lie big on the internet, you'll get attention & and there will be smart "experts"/"insiders" making hypothesis supporting it lol....

 

[siegecrossbow]

Just a funny thread that I found on the forum where the news that the Chinese flankers was beat 0:8 was leaked. Our thread is being discussed by them lol:

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Should some one go and tell them that we got the news from them, not vice versa?