Turkey uses laser weapon technology to shoot down Chinese UAV Wing Loong II in Libya

[Mithridates]

you misunderstood my friend, this all about the energy level and out put power. the bigger your source is the range and destruction become bigger. as you can see the rifle only had 150 m range not several km.

 

[skyshadow]

When we can put this technology into a weapon a soldier can carry we have reached a new age of warfare. Projectile weapons and gunpowder will be obsolete.

you are right we are in new age of warfare but i do not think gunpowder weapons will be obsolete any time soon as we are humans and that means every weapon will meet its limits by the other side as Iran is building anti leaser weapons and anti leaser materials to use in our drones so you see the technology fight never stops.


IRGC Navy develops anti-laser weapon


https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/433633/IRGC-Navy-develops-anti-laser-weapon


IRGC Develops Weapon to Counter US Anti-Drone Laser System


https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/...-weapon-to-counter-us-anti-drone-laser-system

 

[Dai Toruko]

you are right we are in new age of warfare but i do not think gunpowder weapons will be obsolete any time soon as we are humans and that means every weapon will meet its limits by the other side as Iran is building anti leaser weapons and anti leaser materials to use in our drones so you see the technology fight never stops.


IRGC Navy develops anti-laser weapon


https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/433633/IRGC-Navy-develops-anti-laser-weapon


IRGC Develops Weapon to Counter US Anti-Drone Laser System


https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/...-weapon-to-counter-us-anti-drone-laser-system

Anti-laser countermeasures are already being developed. There are all kinds of developments if you know the frequency of the laser. This is the nature of the defense industry. It is an endless cat-and-mouse game.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

This appears to be 30 mm cannon round, not laser.

 

[mete]

what if there is smoke everywhere around? or its cloudy day?

Depends on chemical properties of smoke, how small smoke particles, how dense is the smoke and depends on laser's wavelenght. There are 2 major problems. Absorbtion and scattering. Absorbtion is the relation of chemical properties of smoke and which wavelength it absorbs. For example ordinary glass does not block visible light but it absorbs UV light. This is why you do not get sunburn when you stay behind your window and this is why you can cut glass with UV laser. Scattering depends on wavelenght and smoke particles' size. With smoke most common is rayleigh scattering. Scattering makes light diffuse in different ways and obsturcts focus on target.

How dense is smoke affects both of those events. For example while considering both absorbtion and scattering increasing smoke density increases the problem, less dense smoke can be ignored.

right now it seems like a joke because if i'm not wrong the laser uses 25kw feed input power, that means you should carry a generator. just for sake of giving perspective to you, you have to carry 17 wind turbines with 1.5 kw output power or 50 1*1 m^2 solar panels with 500 w output unless you develop a mobile miniature nuclear power plant for soldiers.

Laser power is different than consumer electronics. When you say "laser power" you do not use input power and you do not include thermal etc. outputs. When you say "laser power" it is pure light. It is this way because you can not use other power concepts in lasers. "Laser power" is a pure technical term. By using this you can calculate various technical aspects of the laser you are inspecting. For example by using the wavelength of laser you can even calculate how many photons are released from laser.

We were using 700W NDYAG to wield/cut titanium plates and to observe plasma properties of materials in vacuum chamber. With 700 watts you can not even make your vacuum cleaner work but when you talk about light things change drasticly. With 25 kW laser you can create a hole in your apartment.

10 kW lasers are generally used in high energy combustion labs.

You can blind a person with 0.5 watts UV laser from a meter away.

 

[Armchair]

You can also use laser to degrade enemy radar performance

 

[mete]

You can also use laser to degrade enemy radar performance

There are many labs working on MASERs just for EW purposes.

 

[Mithridates]

Depends on chemical properties of smoke, how small smoke particles, how dense is the smoke and depends on laser's wavelenght. There are 2 major problems. Absorbtion and scattering. Absorbtion is the relation of chemical properties of smoke and which wavelength it absorbs. For example ordinary glass does not block visible light but it absorbs UV light. This is why you do not get sunburn when you stay behind your window and this is why you can cut glass with UV laser. Scattering depends on wavelenght and smoke particles' size. With smoke most common is rayleigh scattering. Scattering makes light diffuse in different ways and obsturcts focus on target.

How dense is smoke affects both of those events. For example while considering both absorbtion and scattering increasing smoke density increases the problem, less dense smoke can be ignored.



Laser power is different than consumer electronics. When you say "laser power" you do not use input power and you do not include thermal etc. outputs. When you say "laser power" it is pure light. It is this way because you can not use other power concepts in lasers. "Laser power" is a pure technical term. By using this you can calculate various technical aspects of the laser you are inspecting. For example by using the wavelength of laser you can even calculate how many photons are released from laser.

We were using 700W NDYAG to wield/cut titanium plates and to observe plasma properties of materials in vacuum chamber. With 700 watts you can not even make your vacuum cleaner work but when you talk about light things change drasticly. With 25 kW laser you can create a hole in your apartment.

10 kW lasers are generally used in high energy combustion labs.

You can blind a person with 0.5 watts UV laser from a meter away.

sorry but i can't follow what do you mean. he said we can use this in a form of regular gun to arm soldiers i said you can't because you can't generate enough man portable electric power. unless you are suggesting charging a capacitor with smaller source i don't know what are you talking about.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Laser is not very practical as a gun. Double the distance, quarter the power.

http://www.softschools.com/formulas/physics/inverse_square_law_formula/82/

 

[Kamil_baku]

sorry but i can't follow what do you mean. he said we can use this in a form of regular gun to arm soldiers i said you can't because you can't generate enough man portable electric power. unless you are suggesting charging a capacitor with smaller source i don't know what are you talking about.

Turkey actually developed the gun to be used by a soldier. it is silent, and you cannot see it until you have thermal camera

 

[Mithridates]

Turkey actually developed the gun to be used by a soldier. it is silent, and you cannot see it until you have thermal camera

bro I'm not saying you didn't I'm saying a soldier can't have a KW scale laser.

 

[mete]

sorry but i can't follow what do you mean. he said we can use this in a form of regular gun to arm soldiers i said you can't because you can't generate enough man portable electric power. unless you are suggesting charging a capacitor with smaller source i don't know what are you talking about.

Oh; I was trying to explain power issue. If a laser is tagged as 25kW laser this is the power of light energy. Depending on type of laser its input power can increase 2-3 times of that. Whatever tech you use a 25kW laser certainly needs more input power. (for energy that is wasted as heat, cooling mechanisms etc. will draw power) BTW 25 kW is extremly high power which miht be effective against vehicles but using bullets on personel makes more sense.

In turkish section I had a post in the past. Using lasers as antipersonel does not make sense. You can not focus laser well enough manually. When people burn they generally screal, run, roll, rotate and all those chaotic movements makes laser ineffective if you are not using a very powerful laser which can burn them in a second. You can target people's eyes and that will be effective but this is a war crime. If you can find that post you can have much more information. But I think portable lasers might be useful against ieds etc. Around 1 kW laser might be enough for this. But using them against infantry in battlefield continusly? I think it is not feasible with today's tech. You can not replace buyllets with lasers.

Energy storage is another problem. Entire world is focused on this for decades. Especially with electric cars, autonomous industrilisation etc. world needs new energy storage tech. I think we will see some new leaps on energy storage at the next decade. But even when you solve energy problem using laser for antipersonel looks unfeasible to me for now. It is like using portable rail gun, you need very high energy/volume solutions and world does not have that type of cutting edge tech yet.

I think we will see lasers on vehicles(land/naval) soon at the battlefield but not for antipersonel solutions.

 

[Mithridates]

Oh; I was trying to explain power issue. If a laser is tagged as 25kW laser this is the power of light energy. Depending on type of laser its input power can increase 2-3 times of that. Whatever tech you use a 25kW laser certainly needs more input power. (for energy that is wasted as heat, cooling mechanisms etc. will draw power) BTW 25 kW is extremly high power which miht be effective against vehicles but using bullets on personel makes more sense.

In turkish section I had a post in the past. Using lasers as antipersonel does not make sense. You can not focus laser well enough manually. When people burn they generally scream, run, roll, rotate and all those chaotic movements makes laser ineffective if you are not using a very powerful laser which can burn them in a second. You can target people's eyes and that will be effective but this is a war crime. If you can find that post you can have much more information. But I think portable lasers might be useful against ieds etc. Around 1 kW laser might be enough for this. But using them against infantry in battlefield continusly? I think it is not feasible with today's tech. You can not replace buyllets with lasers.

Energy storage is another problem. Entire world is focused on this for decades. Especially with electric cars, autonomous industrilisation etc. world needs new energy storage tech. I think we will see some new leaps on energy storage at the next decade. But even when you solve energy problem using laser for antipersonel looks unfeasible to me for now. It is like using portable rail gun, you need very high energy/volume solutions and world does not have that type of cutting edge tech yet.

I think we will see lasers on vehicles(land/naval) soon at the battlefield but not for antipersonel solutions.

i don't think this systems illuminate continuously, i assume they discharge in really small time to prevent system with over heating. so the enemy would not have enough time to run.

 

[mete]

i don't think this systems illuminate continuously, i assume they discharge in really small time to prevent system with over heating. so the enemy would not have enough time to run.

To neutralise a person from distance with a very short timed pulse you will need tremendaous amount of energy which will be too huge with all subsystems that it can not be carried by a personel or may be even a normal land vehicle might not be enough. If you have that strong system all that focusing problem goes away but other problems rise. (Like railguns. They are so energy intense that their only application seems like stationary positions and naval platforms because of that)

Overheating is a problem in lasers but you can build systems which can continiusly working. It is just an engineering problem about priorities of design.

 

[aziqbal]

Chinese drone operated by UAE shot down in Libya by Turks?

Did I get that right?