Turkey to Provide 34 T-37 Aircraft Free of Cost to Pakistan

[Azadkashmir]

You mean Nusrat Fateh Ali's songs?

no nawaz sharif in return.

 

[My-Analogous]

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Signing of minutes between Yasar GULER, Deputy Chief of Turkish Staff and Secretary Defence Lt Gen. (Retd) Muhammad Alam Khattak in Ankara/Turkey. PHOTO: MINISTRY OF DEFENCE

ISLAMABAD:
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Turkey will provide 34 T-38 aircraft and their spare parts to Pakistan free of cost in a landmark deal signed between the two countries in Ankara, an official announcement said on Wednesday.

On Pakistan’s desire of acquiring the aircraft, Turkey decided to provide 34 T-38, a jet trainer and light attack aircraft, without charging a single penny, said the defence ministry statement.
The agreement was reached during the meeting of Pakistan-Turkey High Level Military Dialogue Group (HLMDG) which concluded in Ankara on Wednesday.

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Director General Defence Procurement Maj Gen Naveed Ahmed and Chief of Logistics Turkey Maj Gen Serdar Gulbas signed the agreement, while a Joint Communiqué was signed by Secretary Defence Lt Gen (Retd) Muhammad Alam Khattak and Deputy Chief of Turkish General Staff Gen Yasar GULER.
During the visit, secretary defence highlighted Pakistan’s defence capability and military capacity and requirements keeling in view the current global perspective.

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Highlighting the exemplary brotherly relations between the countries, the secretary said, “Pakistan desires to further translate these relations into strategic cooperation, signifying strategic importance of our relations”.
Both sides agreed to enhance cooperation at regional and multinational forums including UN,OIC, ECO and D-8.
While expressing his views in High Level Military Dialogue Group (HLMDG) on regional and global security, Khattak said that both working groups have done considerable work to review progress on decisions that were taken in last HLMDG meeting as well as new agenda relating to politico-military matters and defence industry cooperation.

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He also expressed desire to further expand the cooperation between defence industries from strategic to joint venture levels.
The agreement is reached at a time when Turkey is believed to be seeking Pakistan’s increased security and defence cooperation to deal with the emerging threat posed by Islamic State terrorist group as well as Kurdish rebels.

Turkey to provide 34 T-38 aircraft free of cost to Pakistan - The Express Tribune

@waz @Horus @Zarvan @Indus Falcon @Akheilos @fakhre mirpur @Oracle @DESERT FIGHTER @Devil Soul

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correct T37 with T38 and these planes are T38

 

[NHUDA]

68Arab is around 650Million Usd

Yikes .. sorry My Bad .. still the Rest of the Points Still Stands !

 

[sohail.ishaque]

Pakistanis have been wishing many things since many decades.
Be careful what you wish for.

dont u worry bro.. we are working on our wishes.. and some are getting shape now,.. the eradication of TTP, the CPEC, the gawadar, the stability of Pak, the UNSTABILITY OF INDIA and lot more..

 

[-SINAN-]

Guys,it's T-37s...they are going to be shipped to Pakistan in a few days later from Izmir port.

All of the T-37s phased out in 2015 january when 40 KT-1T taken into inventory.

In T-37s, Students would fly 81 sorties and 15 flight simulations.
In KT-1TS,Students fly 69 sorties and 45 flight simulations.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=644433478926154

^^^That's why we didn't need the same amount of T-37 for KT-1Ts.

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We are still using T-38s. They can't be given or sold.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Pakistanis have been wishing many things since many decades.
Be careful what you wish for.

coming from indian it's a bit funny to be given this advice

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

coming from indian it's a bit funny to be given this advice

I'm not sure why we are getting these in the first place ? We already operate around 68 of these and our own K-8 Korakoram ..developing JF twin seater.. Etc ? Why go for these obsolete airframes ?

 

[Blue Marlin]

never give this guy a keyboard again

Pakistan Air Force acquires junked trainer T37s for free
October 29, 2015, 3:06 PM IST Debasish Roy

The Pakistan Ministry of Defence just signed a government to government deal to acquire 34 Cessna Tweet T37 trainer aircraft free of cost from Turkey.

These aircraft are to be used to train pilots in the Pakistan Air Force for their own pilots to move on to advanced fighter aircraft in their arsenal such as the 53 JF-17 Thunders from China, the 75 Dassault Mirage IIIs from France, 82 Dassault Mirage 5 from France, the 186 F7-Ps from China and lastly the 76 F-16 Fighting Falcons from the USA.

The best part is that Pakistan is not spending any money for the transfer of ownership of these trainer aircraft and another good thing is that the Pakistan Air Force already owns 73 Cessna Tweet T37 aircraft.

So, technical training on the ground has already happened and the boffins in Karachi are already familiar with the aircraft.

However, here’s the catch.

a) The Cessna Tweet T37 is good to train pilots for aircraft manufactured by US companies used by the US Air Force as the USAF used it extensively as a trainer for 52 years before officially retiring the aircraft in 2009. Only a minor percentage of the Pakistan Air Force’s fighter aircraft are made in the US (read aging F16s). A trainer aircraft is designed, constructed and then manufactured keeping in mind the technical construction of the fighter or bomber aircraft that the fighter pilots are going to move on to. This is like training a man to drive a car in an Italian model and later asking him to drive a Japanese Toyota Lexus. All the paraphernalia would be in the wrong place when the driver wants to react to a crisis situation. Not a well-thought out solution. On the other hand, the Indian Air Force has slowly and gradually adopted the Russian construction model both in its fighters (read Sukhoi-30MKI) and the trainers (read HAL HJT-16 aka Kiran). Earlier, the IAF used to deploy the HAL Ajeet for training was a version of the Folland Gnat.

b) The Pakistan Air Force has invested heavily in the manufacture of the new Karakorum-8 or the K-8 as a joint venture between Hongdu Aviation Industry Corporation (HAIC) of China and Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) to replace the ageing Cessna T-37. The K-8 is being built to last as a single-engine, advanced jet trainer and light attack aircraft. Does it make sense to accumulate more garage sale obsolete junk, which the world has forgotten about? Is Pakistan Air Force’s gain, Turkey’s spring cleaning? Your wife goes out and buys new Burma board furniture to replace the aging teak stuff that you had at home. Meanwhile you also contact your relatives to send you more teak and walnut wood furniture, which would put a iron hammer to shame in terms of durability, free of cost to your residence.

c) The USAF has consigned the Cessna Tweet to the boneyard in Davis–Monthan Air Force Base, which is a graveyard for decommissioned aircraft. How good a deal does the Pakistan Air Force rate the acquisition of rejected trainer aircraft?

The Cessna Tweet is now part of a family of aircraft, which can be bought off eBay and Craigslist by aircraft enthusiasts. The L39 Albatross is another such aircraft, which is also used extensively by the Bangladesh Air Force. They are more for hobby than for dogfights.

Now, did the air marshals at Islamabad pay the Turkish Air Force to convince them to part with scrap aircraft? We shall never know. Good luck at the dogfight.

Pakistan Air Force acquires junked trainer T37s for free - ET Blogs


i know what your thinking, what weirdo!

 

[cabatli_53]

Listen 04:50's brothers !

 

[-------]

Listen 04:50's brothers !

I saw some stock footage of T-37 being dismantled for transportation to Pakistan, glad I found where it came from. Good share bro!

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

Bigger question :
What does Turkey get in return ? Something that starts from N?

They can have Nawaz sharif...

 

[Didyman]

Hey all, Re the T-37 deal of 34 ex TurAF aircraft to PakAF, does anyone know which serial numbers were supplied? From a video, I was able to extract the following tail numbers:
63-9838, 63-9847, 64-13430, 64-17997, 65-12804, 65-12805, 65-12807, 65-12812, 65-12813 (all T-37C), 68-8078 (T-37B). Any additions, please?

 

[Marker]

never give this guy a keyboard again

Pakistan Air Force acquires junked trainer T37s for free
October 29, 2015, 3:06 PM IST Debasish Roy

The Pakistan Ministry of Defence just signed a government to government deal to acquire 34 Cessna Tweet T37 trainer aircraft free of cost from Turkey.

These aircraft are to be used to train pilots in the Pakistan Air Force for their own pilots to move on to advanced fighter aircraft in their arsenal such as the 53 JF-17 Thunders from China, the 75 Dassault Mirage IIIs from France, 82 Dassault Mirage 5 from France, the 186 F7-Ps from China and lastly the 76 F-16 Fighting Falcons from the USA.

The best part is that Pakistan is not spending any money for the transfer of ownership of these trainer aircraft and another good thing is that the Pakistan Air Force already owns 73 Cessna Tweet T37 aircraft.

So, technical training on the ground has already happened and the boffins in Karachi are already familiar with the aircraft.

However, here’s the catch.

a) The Cessna Tweet T37 is good to train pilots for aircraft manufactured by US companies used by the US Air Force as the USAF used it extensively as a trainer for 52 years before officially retiring the aircraft in 2009. Only a minor percentage of the Pakistan Air Force’s fighter aircraft are made in the US (read aging F16s). A trainer aircraft is designed, constructed and then manufactured keeping in mind the technical construction of the fighter or bomber aircraft that the fighter pilots are going to move on to. This is like training a man to drive a car in an Italian model and later asking him to drive a Japanese Toyota Lexus. All the paraphernalia would be in the wrong place when the driver wants to react to a crisis situation. Not a well-thought out solution. On the other hand, the Indian Air Force has slowly and gradually adopted the Russian construction model both in its fighters (read Sukhoi-30MKI) and the trainers (read HAL HJT-16 aka Kiran). Earlier, the IAF used to deploy the HAL Ajeet for training was a version of the Folland Gnat.

b) The Pakistan Air Force has invested heavily in the manufacture of the new Karakorum-8 or the K-8 as a joint venture between Hongdu Aviation Industry Corporation (HAIC) of China and Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) to replace the ageing Cessna T-37. The K-8 is being built to last as a single-engine, advanced jet trainer and light attack aircraft. Does it make sense to accumulate more garage sale obsolete junk, which the world has forgotten about? Is Pakistan Air Force’s gain, Turkey’s spring cleaning? Your wife goes out and buys new Burma board furniture to replace the aging teak stuff that you had at home. Meanwhile you also contact your relatives to send you more teak and walnut wood furniture, which would put a iron hammer to shame in terms of durability, free of cost to your residence.

c) The USAF has consigned the Cessna Tweet to the boneyard in Davis–Monthan Air Force Base, which is a graveyard for decommissioned aircraft. How good a deal does the Pakistan Air Force rate the acquisition of rejected trainer aircraft?

The Cessna Tweet is now part of a family of aircraft, which can be bought off eBay and Craigslist by aircraft enthusiasts. The L39 Albatross is another such aircraft, which is also used extensively by the Bangladesh Air Force. They are more for hobby than for dogfights.

Now, did the air marshals at Islamabad pay the Turkish Air Force to convince them to part with scrap aircraft? We shall never know. Good luck at the dogfight.

Pakistan Air Force acquires junked trainer T37s for free - ET Blogs


i know what your thinking, what weirdo!

Primary and basic flying training syllabus for student pilots at PAF Academy requires side by side seating arrangement in the cockpit as it has the advantage that student pilot and instructor can see each other's actions, allowing the student pilot to learn from the instructor and the instructor to correct the student pilot. Therefore, Super Mushshak and T-37 aircraft are the most suitable trainer aircraft for primary and basic flying training. PAC AMF is already manufacturing Super Mushshak and continuously upgrading it with latest available avionic suits and glass cockpit configuration.

However, T-37 aircraft is another story:

T-37 aircraft Service Life Extension Program (SLEP).

The objective of this program was to safely extend the structural life of T-37 aircraft for another 8000 flying hours. After a complete Durability and Damage Tolerance Assessment (DADTA), Saberliner Corporation developed modification kits, necessary jigs and tools to replace vital structures along the T-37's fuselage/wing carry-through area, lower front wing spars, tail mounting structure, and horizontal stabilizer. PAF received these modification kits from Saberliner Corporation in early 1990s and completed the kit installation on aircraft till early 2000s. Furthermore all 54 aircraft received from USAF and TAF after 2008 were already installed with SLEP modification kits.

The set of jigs received from Saberliner Corporation include fuselage jig, left and right leading edge assembly and wing jigs. As these jigs are essential for assembling the fuselage and wing structures, I hope that PAF managed to hold back one set of these jigs!!!! Since detailed structural drawings of all airframe parts and sub-parts are also available with PAF, PAC AMF will be able manufacture these parts and sub-parts. However, assembling these parts and sub-parts into complete airframe of T-37 aircraft needs the assembling jigs and the most essential of these were already delivered by Saberliner Corporation.

In short, PAF may consider following options to replace crashed aircraft and life-expired airframes.

Option I: Manufacture a new T-37 airframe (if USA provides the sole manufacturing rights).

Option II: Using T-37 DNA, develop a new aircraft with side by side seating for student and instructor, powered by two small turbo fan engines (e.g. PW-610/615F).

Additionally, PAF may also consider to upgrade the existing T-37 aircraft with glass cockpit and latest avionic suits IAW with basic flying training syllabus.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

I hope one day we can be exchanging frigates, stealth aircraft and bombers from pakistan to turkey free of charge. One day both ways. In Sha Allah.

For us humans it seems impossible but for Him everything is easy

 

[Marker]

T-37 Delivery Details - Pakistan Air Force