Turkey should establish a military base in Saudi Arabia too

[bsruzm]

"Let them attack. Let them oppose. Let them try to destroy Turkey's future horizon. Let them continue to spread diseases through century-old imperial residues. Let them be more American, German, British, Israeli or more Russian than they are from Turkey. Let them act like they are "internal invaders" the economic field, political field and intellectual field.

Let them flirt with the global intelligence network and terror organizations to reach their objectives, to stop Turkey. Let them give prominence to minor issues and blur minds as though they are Turkey's most important problems. Let them treat Turkey as their enemy and swear at their country and people.

Why do we remember the Kut-ul Almara victory now?

History is not the toy of small people. It is the story of those who think big and give great struggles, those who have big dreams.

They are the losers. Even if they are very loud today, and they travel from capital to capital, they are the losers of history. Soon their voices will be lost. They have long lost their history-making power, characteristic and dynamics. With their thoughts left over from the Cold War, after today, they are no longer going to be able to play a role beyond that of an instrument. They will not be given more than this.

Today is the Kut-ul Amara victory's 100th anniversary. We will find ourselves, just the way we sought and found a victory that was wiped out of our memory 100 years later. Even this example alone is enough to show the great struggle given. This is what we are trying to do when wanting to normalize history, give prominence once again to the love of country and people, wanting to give a broad meaning to the term people, re-thinking Turkey again 100 years later, when discovering our friends with whom we will hold hands far beyond the borders of Anatolia.

Gaining victory in the toughest time

We are striving to spread this understanding, this perception. If Turkey's president mentions this victory for the first time a century later, if he is paying respect to those who gave us that history and taking pride in them, making a connection with them, then the chain has been completed and history has found its own course. President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's statement aimed at “our ability to win victory even in the toughest times," is the expression of a deep reality. We come from a tradition that knows how to remain standing even at the toughest times of every stage of history, and help those around us to get back up on their feet too.

This is the history-maker characteristic, and Turkey has reclaimed this characteristic in the last 20 years after closing the 20th century bracket. We do not have the luxury to waste this responsibility, this great plan. We are not going to surrender to the delusions of a few irresponsible, incompetent people along with a few “internal invaders" who have been preparing for these days.

Defending the country against invasion, not terror

History will continue to flow in this direction despite attacks, setbacks and atrocities. We have been attacked consecutively for the last three years to end this great struggle. All the crises, all the efforts to defame are part of a multinational invasion and are aimed at stopping Turkey.

Those who have been activating their apparatuses on the inside will also bring forward their direct attack options when the time comes. This is a definite possibility. Because the matter is greater than we imagine – it is big enough to re-determine the regional power map. This is why you should not take lightly the reality that we are in a century-old showdown.

Turkey's “counterterrorism" operations are actually a country defense against this multinational and outside intervention. This is called war, not a fight against terror. They want to invade our cities through a terror organization.

Turkey the real target of geographical intervention

The Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) taking up arms again in the same period as the Arab Spring is an instruction in this direction. The organization was mobilized for the new map of the region. This is why the fight in the region is not against terror, but, similar to the War of Independence, it is against invasion.

The state mind, political mind, people's will taking action with such awareness after decades leads to a regional responsibility. Everybody who has unfurled a flag against this responsibility, every organization, every state, is in the same line and is fighting Turkey. The ability to respond to those imposing a map on us with our own map drafts is the greatest weapon of this struggle.

Just as a period of rise started after the Crusades, after the Mongolian invasion, and just as this period shaped the geography, such a period was going to start after World War I too, and it has started. Then the actual objective of the chaos spreading through our geography is this historical mission, it is Turkey. The third shock has lost effect, the strength to reverse that storm of chaos will be Turkey.

What business do Turkish soldiers have in Qatar?

Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu was in Qatar yesterday. An agreement was made for a military base that was previously decided. What business do Turkish soldiers have in Qatar? Why are they in the Balkans, Lebanon, Azerbaijan, Somalia, Iraq? What are we doing here? To defend Turkey, to fulfill our regional responsibilities, to get back on our feet and to avoid being identified as a garrison country in the power map of the 21st century.

I compare the present times to the last periods of the Abbasids, the periods when they became weak. It is as though we are experiencing the first stages of the impact of Muslim Turks who arrived in the region as a strong power in history. The Muslim Turks who came to help the Abbasids back then continued to serve Islam and keep the geography alive for hundreds of years, until the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. After that collapse, we were all taken prisoner in our own countries and borders. We had all become front countries, garrison countries.

The US pushed Arabs in a corner

Today the geography is going through its own civil war. Regional wars are being planned through the sectarian crisis. The moment the Syrian crisis reaches a certain stage, the Persian Gulf is going to witness the biggest conflict of the region. The Arab world is aware that the West and the US no longer promise it a future. The law prepared by the US to declare Saudi Arabia responsible for September 11 is part of the first moves aimed at seizing the Gulf's hundreds of billions of dollars and throw these countries to Iran.

The agreement between Washington and Tehran has pushed Gulf countries into a corner. Turkey's establishing a base in Qatar, attempts aimed at becoming close again with the United Arab Emirates, cooperating with Saudi Arabia on many issues, is actually a quest for defense against common threats.

The infrastructure of the coldness between Turkey and Iran and the Turkey-Russia crisis have been prepared for this reason. A quest to find a common defense is increasingly gaining prominence. Perhaps these partnerships will also close the doors leading to the civil war that will destroy the region.

PKK will be withdrawn, Daesh will be pushed forward

The interventions that started with the Gezi Park incidents and intensified with the December 17, 2013 intervention were continued in the form of suicide attacks through the PKK. When one failed, a new scenario was put into play. Now the “bringing [Turkey] to its knees through terror" option also seems to have failed.

Pay particular attention to Daesh attacks. The role given to the PKK may soon be transferred to this organization. Attacks may start on Turkey through Daesh, through Syria. Now this will be an open declaration of war. Direct attacks will start from our southern borders. That is when we will see clearer that those carrying out the attacks are not those organizations, but our “allies." This is why they will soon declare PKK terror unsuccessful.

The base in Qatar will not be enough. Turkey needs to decide immediately to establish a presence in Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Yemen and in every region of Syria. If there are preparations for a regional war, then preparations for a regional defense must also be expedited."

Turkey should establish a military base in Saudi Arabia too

Photo: Turkish Special Forces 'Maroon Berets' in Thunder of the North exercises of Saudi Arabia.

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It isn't like I agree with him but I do think Turkey should establish a base in KSA, too.

 

[volatile]

I propose a special Muslim Block Lead by 3 nations . Turkey ,Pakistan and KSA . Turkey role should be guiding all the block ,PAk role should protect all block with its missiles ,Nukes and Army and KSA role should be financing .

 

[Zarvan]

"Let them attack. Let them oppose. Let them try to destroy Turkey's future horizon. Let them continue to spread diseases through century-old imperial residues. Let them be more American, German, British, Israeli or more Russian than they are from Turkey. Let them act like they are "internal invaders" the economic field, political field and intellectual field.

Let them flirt with the global intelligence network and terror organizations to reach their objectives, to stop Turkey. Let them give prominence to minor issues and blur minds as though they are Turkey's most important problems. Let them treat Turkey as their enemy and swear at their country and people.

Why do we remember the Kut-ul Almara victory now?

History is not the toy of small people. It is the story of those who think big and give great struggles, those who have big dreams.

They are the losers. Even if they are very loud today, and they travel from capital to capital, they are the losers of history. Soon their voices will be lost. They have long lost their history-making power, characteristic and dynamics. With their thoughts left over from the Cold War, after today, they are no longer going to be able to play a role beyond that of an instrument. They will not be given more than this.

Today is the Kut-ul Amara victory's 100th anniversary. We will find ourselves, just the way we sought and found a victory that was wiped out of our memory 100 years later. Even this example alone is enough to show the great struggle given. This is what we are trying to do when wanting to normalize history, give prominence once again to the love of country and people, wanting to give a broad meaning to the term people, re-thinking Turkey again 100 years later, when discovering our friends with whom we will hold hands far beyond the borders of Anatolia.

Gaining victory in the toughest time

We are striving to spread this understanding, this perception. If Turkey's president mentions this victory for the first time a century later, if he is paying respect to those who gave us that history and taking pride in them, making a connection with them, then the chain has been completed and history has found its own course. President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's statement aimed at “our ability to win victory even in the toughest times," is the expression of a deep reality. We come from a tradition that knows how to remain standing even at the toughest times of every stage of history, and help those around us to get back up on their feet too.

This is the history-maker characteristic, and Turkey has reclaimed this characteristic in the last 20 years after closing the 20th century bracket. We do not have the luxury to waste this responsibility, this great plan. We are not going to surrender to the delusions of a few irresponsible, incompetent people along with a few “internal invaders" who have been preparing for these days.

Defending the country against invasion, not terror

History will continue to flow in this direction despite attacks, setbacks and atrocities. We have been attacked consecutively for the last three years to end this great struggle. All the crises, all the efforts to defame are part of a multinational invasion and are aimed at stopping Turkey.

Those who have been activating their apparatuses on the inside will also bring forward their direct attack options when the time comes. This is a definite possibility. Because the matter is greater than we imagine – it is big enough to re-determine the regional power map. This is why you should not take lightly the reality that we are in a century-old showdown.

Turkey's “counterterrorism" operations are actually a country defense against this multinational and outside intervention. This is called war, not a fight against terror. They want to invade our cities through a terror organization.

Turkey the real target of geographical intervention

The Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) taking up arms again in the same period as the Arab Spring is an instruction in this direction. The organization was mobilized for the new map of the region. This is why the fight in the region is not against terror, but, similar to the War of Independence, it is against invasion.

The state mind, political mind, people's will taking action with such awareness after decades leads to a regional responsibility. Everybody who has unfurled a flag against this responsibility, every organization, every state, is in the same line and is fighting Turkey. The ability to respond to those imposing a map on us with our own map drafts is the greatest weapon of this struggle.

Just as a period of rise started after the Crusades, after the Mongolian invasion, and just as this period shaped the geography, such a period was going to start after World War I too, and it has started. Then the actual objective of the chaos spreading through our geography is this historical mission, it is Turkey. The third shock has lost effect, the strength to reverse that storm of chaos will be Turkey.

What business do Turkish soldiers have in Qatar?

Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu was in Qatar yesterday. An agreement was made for a military base that was previously decided. What business do Turkish soldiers have in Qatar? Why are they in the Balkans, Lebanon, Azerbaijan, Somalia, Iraq? What are we doing here? To defend Turkey, to fulfill our regional responsibilities, to get back on our feet and to avoid being identified as a garrison country in the power map of the 21st century.

I compare the present times to the last periods of the Abbasids, the periods when they became weak. It is as though we are experiencing the first stages of the impact of Muslim Turks who arrived in the region as a strong power in history. The Muslim Turks who came to help the Abbasids back then continued to serve Islam and keep the geography alive for hundreds of years, until the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. After that collapse, we were all taken prisoner in our own countries and borders. We had all become front countries, garrison countries.

The US pushed Arabs in a corner

Today the geography is going through its own civil war. Regional wars are being planned through the sectarian crisis. The moment the Syrian crisis reaches a certain stage, the Persian Gulf is going to witness the biggest conflict of the region. The Arab world is aware that the West and the US no longer promise it a future. The law prepared by the US to declare Saudi Arabia responsible for September 11 is part of the first moves aimed at seizing the Gulf's hundreds of billions of dollars and throw these countries to Iran.

The agreement between Washington and Tehran has pushed Gulf countries into a corner. Turkey's establishing a base in Qatar, attempts aimed at becoming close again with the United Arab Emirates, cooperating with Saudi Arabia on many issues, is actually a quest for defense against common threats.

The infrastructure of the coldness between Turkey and Iran and the Turkey-Russia crisis have been prepared for this reason. A quest to find a common defense is increasingly gaining prominence. Perhaps these partnerships will also close the doors leading to the civil war that will destroy the region.

PKK will be withdrawn, Daesh will be pushed forward

The interventions that started with the Gezi Park incidents and intensified with the December 17, 2013 intervention were continued in the form of suicide attacks through the PKK. When one failed, a new scenario was put into play. Now the “bringing [Turkey] to its knees through terror" option also seems to have failed.

Pay particular attention to Daesh attacks. The role given to the PKK may soon be transferred to this organization. Attacks may start on Turkey through Daesh, through Syria. Now this will be an open declaration of war. Direct attacks will start from our southern borders. That is when we will see clearer that those carrying out the attacks are not those organizations, but our “allies." This is why they will soon declare PKK terror unsuccessful.

The base in Qatar will not be enough. Turkey needs to decide immediately to establish a presence in Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Yemen and in every region of Syria. If there are preparations for a regional war, then preparations for a regional defense must also be expedited."

Turkey should establish a military base in Saudi Arabia too

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Photo: Turkish Special Forces 'Maroon Berets' in Thunder of the North exercises of Saudi Arabia.

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It isn't like I agree with him but I do think Turkey should establish a base in KSA, too.

Pakistani budget sucks otherwise if budget increases soon Pakistan should increase its Armed Forces massively and deploy a large number in KSA and Jordan specially in areas close to Israel.

 

[Syed Asif Bukhari]

Pakistani budget sucks otherwise if budget increases soon Pakistan should increase its Armed Forces massively and deploy a large number in KSA and Jordan specially in areas close to Israel.

Pakistan already has military presence in KSA . My Brother in Law who resides in Jeddah, often tells me that KSA majority of borders are manned by PA. These Arabs don't have fighting caliber.

 

[Luffy 500]

Pakistan already has military presence in KSA . My Brother in Law who resides in Jeddah, often tells me that KSA majority of borders are manned by PA. These Arabs don't have fighting caliber.

That's a racist thing to say . Isn't that a stereotypical obnoxious statement that u just made against a whole ethnic group? U really believe what u just said?

 

[Syed Asif Bukhari]

That's a racist thing to say . Isn't that a stereotypical obnoxious statement that u just made against a whole ethnic group? U really believe what u just said?

Don't take it in wrong way .many arab countries have good army like Egypt . But oil rich arab countries like KSA , UAE don't have good fighting force. Their ancestors were very tough and hard . by the way , don't drag ethnicity here.

 

[Luffy 500]

Don't take it in wrong way .many arab countries have good army like Egypt . But oil rich arab countries like KSA , UAE don't have good fighting force. Their ancestors were very tough and hard . by the way , don't drag ethnicity here.

I didn't bring ethnicity here. U are the one who intentionally or unintentionally bought it. Maybe u didn't mean all arabs but that's exactly how u wrote it. And this notion that arabs in oil rich countries are not tough is also a obnoxious generalization that IMO stems from you looking down on them for some reason. Such condescending notions against arabs may be partly due to the overwhelming negative projection of arabs in mass media both in the west and the subcontinent. The liberal intelligentsia of the subcontinent have long been promoting a negative image of arabs.

 

[Syed Asif Bukhari]

I didn't bring ethnicity here. U are the one who intentionally or unintentionally bought it. Maybe u didn't mean all arabs but that's exactly how u wrote it. And this notion that arabs in oil rich countries are not tough is also a obnoxious generalization that IMO stems from you looking down on them for some reason. Such condescending notions against arabs may be partly due to the overwhelming negative projection of arabs in mass media both in the west and the subcontinent. The liberal intelligentsia of the subcontinent have long been promoting a negative image of arabs.

Read my previous post . I was taking about KSA . So obviously , I was referring to KSA 's Arabs . They have lot of money . Why a billionare or millionare man will let his son join military ? Why will he risk the life of his son when already his bucket is full ? I think now u have got my point .

 

[lastofthepatriots]

I didn't bring ethnicity here. U are the one who intentionally or unintentionally bought it. Maybe u didn't mean all arabs but that's exactly how u wrote it. And this notion that arabs in oil rich countries are not tough is also a obnoxious generalization that IMO stems from you looking down on them for some reason. Such condescending notions against arabs may be partly due to the overwhelming negative projection of arabs in mass media both in the west and the subcontinent. The liberal intelligentsia of the subcontinent have long been promoting a negative image of arabs.

Gulf country Arabs are not like what their ancestors used to be. They are soft. My father was in PAF and in charge of training Saudis. At the time they were arrogant and used to disrespect Pakistani CO's. The Co's would remind them of their glorious past to encourage them, while the Saudi cadets would be disrespectful and say "why should we fight, when we can pay you to fight for us?".

My father told me that eventually the base commander was pissed off and requested special forces guys. These guys were built like a wall. They brought the Saudis on the tarmac and told them to start running by touching points. It was very hot and the Saudi cadets started to get lazy and were objecting to complete the drill. The special forces guys took off their heavy belts and started whipping them. The Saudi cadets became scared and one them climbed a water tower and was threatening the staff at the base that If he was not returned to KSA, that he was going to jump. The airforce staff told him that they will comply(they were lying to get him to come down), but he jumped and committed suicide.

After the incident, a liaison officer was brought in from Africa that could speak Arabic(he was a christian), so that it would be easier for the Saudi cadets. My father said that the Pakistanis were very easy on the Saudis, but just wanted them to complete drills with discipline, but the liaison officer was so much more strict that the Saudis hated him and called him a "slave-driver".

He also told me how the Saudis had a separate mess hall which had much better quality food than what the Pakistanis got. But still the Saudis would lie and tell their parents that the Pakistanis are starving us, so that their parents would send them money. With the money they would ride in 10-12 cars and go buy goats/sheep from bazaar and bring them back to the base to cook them in Arabic style with rice pouring out of the animal. My father did say that he was invited to one of these events and that the food was absolutely delicious.

He also mentioned that at this feast, the Saudis kept throwing meat at him, and that he got angry. He said to them, "I'm not a dog, so why the hell are you throwing meat at me?". Apparently, that is an Arab tradition towards guests to let them know that they are honoring him and want him to eat more because he is a guest. In Pakistani culture it is considered differently, thus the response from my father.

Overall, my father said that there were a handful of Saudis that were very respectful and professional, and that he had made good friends with a particular Saudi that was above and beyond. He said the rest seemed like they were forced into joining the airforce and that they displayed poor manners, training, and attitude.

So, it can not be disputed that Arabs and Gulf Arabs in general are very good warriors, but with the money came a lot of laziness. Their mentality changed from living for the after life to living in this dunya, and it mostly has to do with their new found wealth. I am not jealous of them, they are my Muslim brothers, and I wish even more wealth and success upon them (Alhamdulillah), but the money started making them lazy.

 

[Bilad al-Haramayn]

What kind of trolling do I see in this thread?

The ancestors of modern-day Saudi Arabians created 3 (Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid) of the 11 largest empires in human history. More than any other ethnicity.

The legacy today is the Arab world which almost has the size of Russia. Enough said!

First absurd lie cleared.

The Pakistani presence in KSA is a very small presence and limited to a few hundred soldiers of which most serve as advisers. None of them are guarding any borders. It's all done by locals, mostly SANG.

Second absurd lie cleared.

Thirdly there is no Saudi Arabian or Arab tradition whatsoever of throwing food at guests (WTF). First time I hear of such nonsense. If anyone did that to me I would have ripped his head off!

Fourthly what happened decades ago is not relevant and well-off people anywhere in the world do usually not send their sons to the military. Hence why most of the Saudi Arabian soldiers are from the lower classes or middle classes.

Lastly Saudi Arabia is well capable of protecting itself and there are no foreign bases present and I highly doubt that such a thing will ever happen nor do I wish for it as it is simply not necessary.

However increasing military ties with Turkey (mutually beneficial) would be a good thing and I support that.

@azzo @alarabi @Full Moon @Frosty @Gasoline @Q_W_Q @BLACKEAGLE @Ahmed Jo @Ahmad Torky etc.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

What kind of trolling do I see in this thread?

The ancestors of modern-day Saudi Arabians created 3 (Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid) of the 11 largest empires in human history. More than any other ethnicity.

First absurd lie cleared.

The Pakistani presence in KSA is a very small presence and limited to a few hundred soldiers of which most serve as advisers. None of them are guarding any boarders. It's all done by locals, mostly SANG.

Second absurd lie cleared.

Thirdly there is no Saudi Arabian tradition whatsoever of throwing food at guests (WTF).

Fourthly what happened decades ago is not relevant and well-off people anywhere in the world do usually not send their sons to the military. Hence why most of the Saudi Arabian soldiers are from the lower classes or middle classes.

Lastly Saudi Arabia is well capable of protecting itself and there are no foreign bases present and I highly doubt that such a thing will ever happen nor do I wish for it as it is simply not necessary.

However increasing military ties with Turkey (mutually beneficial) would be a good thing and I support that.

@azzo @alarabi @Full Moon @Frosty @Gasoline @Q_W_Q @BLACKEAGLE @Ahmed Jo @Ahmad Torky etc.

Well brother, these events took place in the 70's and my father is not a liar. In fact he was very popular with Our Saudi counterparts. Anyways, I am not trying to start conflict as I am a very big supporter of KSA. I told real events and gave my opinion. I don't want to start any trouble and I don't have an agenda. Btw these incidents took place at Kohat airbase in Pakistan.

 

[Bilad al-Haramayn]

Well brother, these events took place in the 70's and my father is not a liar. In fact he was very popular with Our Saudi counterparts. Anyways, I am not trying to start conflict as I am a very big supporter of KSA. I told real events and gave my opinion. I don't want to start any trouble and I don't have an agenda. Btw these incidents took place at Kohat airbase in Pakistan.

Well brother, I am not calling anybody a liar I simply told that there is no Saudi Arabian or Arab tradition of throwing food at guests. It sounds very absurd to me and it is the first time that I hear of anything like this.

My post was not aimed at any particular user and if it was, it was mostly towards the user @Syed Asif Bukhari

I am all about Muslim cooperation and I would love if Muslim regimes did that more often and effectively and looked past all the silly rivalries and small differences but I demand respect from fellow Muslim as I do not see any Arab users (the few that remain nowadays) disrespecting or writing nonsense towards our Pakistani brothers and sisters. I also highly dislike generalizations. If people visited KSA (it's a HUGE country with many different regions with different traditions and customs) they would realize that many of their perceptions are based on negative media reports, lies, half-truths and over-exaggerated reports. I am kind of used to it by now but it surprises me that many fellow Muslims remain like this in the year 2016. Never mind, it's nothing in the wider picture. We have our faults, big as small, like every people, but ours are magnified many times and I do not like that.

 

[bsruzm]

Lastly Saudi Arabia is well capable of protecting itself and there are no foreign bases present and I highly doubt that such a thing will ever happen nor do I wish for it as it is simply not necessary.

However increasing military ties with Turkey (mutually beneficial) would be a good thing and I support that.

@azzo @alarabi @Full Moon @Frosty @Gasoline @Q_W_Q @BLACKEAGLE @Ahmed Jo @Ahmad Torky etc.

It is up to KSA, of course though since it's only an opinion, I think it'd be great and very helping for the increasing military ties between both countries and for the newly established Saudi led coalition.

 

[Dubious]

The ancestors

I stopped reading after that....BECAUSE the Arabs are stuck in the past, they have not been able to make much difference in the present let alone build up for a future!

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Well brother, I am not calling anybody a liar I simply told that there is no Saudi Arabian or Arab tradition of throwing food at guests. It sounds very absurd to me and it is the first time that I hear of anything like this.

My post was not aimed at any particular user and if it was, it was mostly towards the user @Syed Asif Bukhari

I am all about Muslim cooperation and I would love if Muslim regimes did that more often and effectively and looked past all the silly rivalries and small differences but I demand respect from fellow Muslim as I do not see any Arab users (the few that remain nowadays) disrespecting or writing nonsense towards our Pakistani brothers and sisters. I also highly dislike generalizations. If people visited KSA (it's a HUGE country with many different regions with different traditions and customs) they would realize that many of their perceptions are based on negative media reports, lies, half-truths and over-exaggerated reports. I am kind of used to it by now but it surprises me that many fellow Muslims remain like this in the year 2016. Never mind, it's nothing in the wider picture.

I am glad to have you here on our little site and correcting our stereotypes and generalizations towards the Arab world. We can only advance through knowledge and education, so I thank you for your efforts.