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Turkey shoots down "Russian Jet" near border

You bring up an interesting point.

Whenever Russians violated any other countries airspace, internet forums were filled with so many people wanting to shoot the jets down.
But now that someone actually did it, the Russians are now suddenly the victims and the good guy.
Damn hypocrisy.
Whats even funnier is that if they violate our air space and we do nothing they laugh calling Turkey weak but when we react they cry like babies playing the blame game.
 
We daily violate Greek airspace and they violate ours. Do we shot at each other, no ?

Syrian border is different. We changed our RoE and declared it to the world in 2012. Russian's played with fire and burnt themselves. Simple as that.

Brother but the problem is in this game of fire, Russians can act like dragons.

You could have just sent a picture of locked SU-24 as a message, or escorted the aircraft etc. TuAF acted heavy handedly and that too for a violation of mere 17 seconds :O .
 
A wave of land attack cruise missiles could be on their way to Turkey any time soon。

Be prepared to defend yourself,for the US will only sit back and talk its support for Turkey。

You are wrong. Any attack on Turkey by Russia will be considered an attack on NATO itself. Russia/Putin himself knows that Attacking/Invading Turkey means declaring war with NATO. For many reasons i cant begin to mention here, Russia wont obviously retaliate directly against Turkey since it knows attacking Turkey will oblige NATO to intervene as well since Turkey is a full NATO member country,plus Turkey will be fighting on home soil, so it has a huge advantage even without NATO intervening. Russia won't obviously want to waste it's scarce resources in Syria by fighting a large/powerful nation like Turkey. So unlike what some fanboys here wish, there wont be any war/retaliation from Russia, but there will be a lot of radical rhetoric and diplomatic posturing, but NO WAR.

After a week at most, everybody will forget about this news and life will continue as if nothing ever happened:bounce: lol

However i do admit that TAF was too aggressive in this case, since it could have just escorted Russian fighter jet out of its borders/territory as many nations all over the world do. Anyway, what is done is done, we just need to sort out the current situation, learn from it and move on.
 
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Brother but the problem is in this game of fire, Russians can act like dragons.

You could have just sent a picture of locked SU-24 as a message, or escorted the aircraft etc. TuAF acted heavy handedly and that too for a violation of mere 17 seconds :O .
Rules of Engagement...how many times do i have to repeat until you guys understand it.
 
Brother but the problem is in this game of fire, Russians can act like dragons.

You could have just sent a picture of locked SU-24 as a message, or escorted the aircraft etc. TuAF acted heavy handedly and that too for a violation of mere 17 seconds :O .
If confirmed this was not the first Russian planes breached into the Turkish airspace. On Oct. 3 and 4 a Russian Air Force Su-30SM and Su-24 aircraft violated Ankara’s sovereign airspace in the Hatay region. NATO said that the Russian combat planes entered Turkish airspace despite Turkish authorities’ “clear, timely and repeated warnings.” In that case, TuAF F-16s in QRA (Quick Reaction Alert) were scrambled to identify the intruder, after which the Russian planes departed Turkish airspace. Nevertheless, as if violating the airspace of a NATO member was not enough, the Russian Su-30SM maintained a radar lock on one or both the F-16s for a full 5 minutes and 40 seconds. According the Russians, the violation was due to a “navigation error.” Following the incident Ankara said it would shot down any aircraft violating their sovereign airspace as done in the past with the Syrian Mig-23 and Mi-17.

The Aviationist » Updated: Turkey has just shot down a Russian Sukhoi Su-24 near the border with Syria
 
here are two ^^^


...and there was that atatwolf.

and there is the jamaati brigade from bangladesh - monitor, luffy 500 and al-zakir.

and the entire saudi membership.

and there is possibly zarvan.

just some l list... you can also judge from posts in this thread.
Atatwolf is not,the rest,i dont know.
 
Statement by the NATO Secretary General after the extraordinary NAC meeting

The North Atlantic Council has just held a meeting, an extraordinary meeting. And we have been updated by the Turkish Ambassador on the recent events. I have also spoken to Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu.

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Turkey informed Allies about the downing of a Russian Air Force plane violating Turkish airspace.

I have previously expressed my concerns about the implications of the military actions of the Russian Federation close to NATO’s borders.

This highlights the importance of having and respecting arrangements to avoid such incidents in the future.

As we have repeatedly made clear, we stand in solidarity with Turkey and support the territorial integrity of our NATO Ally, Turkey.

We will continue to follow the developments on the South-Eastern borders of NATO very closely.

I look forward to further contacts between Ankara and Moscow and I call for calm and de-escalation.

Diplomacy and de-escalation are important to resolve this situation.

Now I’m ready to take your questions.

Q (CNN): The Russians are saying the plane was shot down over Syrian territory and never went into Turkish territory. Are you convinced that it was shot down indeed over Turkish airspace and that Turkish airspace was indeed violate?

Secretary General: TheAllied assessments we have got from several Allies during the day are consistent with information we have been provided with from Turkey. So the information we have from other Allies is consistent with what we have got from Turkey.

Q (Kurdish media): Mr Stoltenberg, how could be the situation and your position if tension between Russia and Turkey raised? You said that you are continue looking at developments. How could be your position if tensions continue to rise between Russia and Turkey? Thank you.

Secretary General: I’ve think I’ve expressed very clearly that we are calling for calm and de-escalation. This is a serious situation. This is a situation which calls on that we all are prudent and that we all contribute to de-escalating the situation.

And that’s also the reason why I welcome further contacts between Moscow and Ankara. There has been contacts and we would welcome even more contacts. To partly to solve this concrete incident, but also to continue to work on the development and also the strengthening of mechanisms to avoid these kinds of situation in the future.

Actually, inside the Alliance we are discussing how we can develop better and improved measures for transparency, for predictability, and for risk reduction. Because we have to avoid this kind of incidents. We have to avoid that situations, incidents, accidents spiral out of control.

And therefore this is a serious situation, but I think that the new security environment we are facing along NATO borders just underlines the importance of focusing more on predictability, transparency, and different measures to reduce risks.

Q (WSJ): What does this say about the ability for Allies to work together with Russia in Syria? Are the tactics just too different? Are the targets just too different?

Secretary General: The common enemy should be ISIL. And I would welcome all efforts to fight ISIL. And it is important that all of us, also Russia, is guided by the overarching goal of defeating ISIL.

What we have seen is that most of the attacks by Russia so far has been targeted towards targets in parts of Syria where ISIL is not present. So we welcome all efforts to fight ISIL. Our common enemy is ISIL, and therefore I would also welcome all efforts to strengthen the fight against SIIL.

Q (Reuters): Wondered if you had any contacts with the Russians or planned any contacts with the Russians over this incident?

Secretary General: There has been contacts between Ankara and Moscow, Turkey and Russia but so far there has been no direct contact between NATO and Russia. But we have been in contact with Turkey, a NATO ally, which has directly been in contact with Russian authorities.

Q (unknown): Do you have any more clarity as to how the plane was actually shot down because that’s disputed, whether it be surface to surface or surface to air or ground to air missile?

Secretary General: I will be careful going too much into specifics and too much into details but what I can confirm is that the assessments we have from allies are consistent with what Turkey briefed us about earlier today.

NATO already been so aggressive in pursuing Ukraine and Russian neighborhood with missile defence. Russia won't back down without many times of blood shed in Turkey even offer to lift financial sanctions not gonna help

Okay! So if someone enters your territory uninvited, don't leave when intimidated, then in such situation the forces people know just one solution: Action! Thats what they are meant for. And yes, Russians will also do the same if you go there that way.
When its matter of Our Home, Our Land and Our people, we don't Wait!
Who decide who intruded or otherwise? That's the problem.
 
That's cool.... Russia shouldn't violate the airspace. But Turkey could have handled it better way i.e. escorted them out, as US+Europeans will not stand by them and all NATO treaties will convert in to lip services when the time come.
 
you know by doing this , Russia can establish no fly zone in north of Syria for Turkey fighters !? and then Kurds will have free run in north of Syria and strengthen their position ....

the Sultan didn't think about consequences ....

anyway a question from turkish member : in Islamic era , some ruler were called Sultan and some others were called Malek .... do you the difference between Malek and Sultan !?

I don't think the ypg would be very willing to trade in western support for Russia.
Besides, the Kurds are no friends of Assad, their goal is an independent/autonomous rojava.
I would find it very hard to believe that Puting would give them that by slapping assad in the face all because a Russian pilot ignored multiple warnings from Turkey.
 
Protection of borders which is the protection of our honor. Honor has no price in Turkey and is more important than anything else.

Do we have to gain something from protecting ourselves ?

Pragmatically, the Turkmen villages, or whatever is left of them, will be hit even harder. A no fly zone (enforced by Russia) is probable over the area (hampering any attempt for you to intervene there). Support will also be increased for the Kurdish fighters. You also put NATO in a awkward spot.

I see you point is of pride, and sympathize, but Russia was spending itself In Syria nicely.There really wasn't any pragmatic reason for escalating things
 
It was probably overdue that someone shot a Russian aircraft down though as they are always pushing it but shooting down an aircraft of a country your not at war with is ridiculous and of the utmost stupidity, they are constantly flying in or near other nations airspace and locking weapons onto the home nations aircraft so they may have pushed it too far, thought they were untouchable which really they should have been as its not a reason to kill people. Hope Russia start flooding the Kurds with weapons now as im getting less tolerant of Turkey and the obviousness of their preference for the likes of ISIS over having a stable Kurdish government.
 

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