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Turkey shoots down "Russian Jet" near border

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No - brief airspace/maritime violations are not meet with deadly force between countries not at war.
If that were the case we would have perpetual wars
We daily violate Greek airspace and they violate ours. Do we shot at each other, no ?

Syrian border is different. We changed our RoE and declared it to the world in 2012. Russian's played with fire and burnt themselves. Simple as that.
 
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NATO stands by its members

Statement by the NATO Secretary General after the extraordinary NAC meeting
  • 24 Nov. 2015
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  • Press Release (2015) 169
  • Issued on 24 Nov. 2015
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  • Last updated: 24 Nov. 2015 20:00


The North Atlantic Council has just held a meeting, an extraordinary meeting. And we have been updated by the Turkish Ambassador on the recent events. I have also spoken to Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu.

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Turkey informed Allies about the downing of a Russian Air Force plane violating Turkish airspace.

I have previously expressed my concerns about the implications of the military actions of the Russian Federation close to NATO’s borders.

This highlights the importance of having and respecting arrangements to avoid such incidents in the future.

As we have repeatedly made clear, we stand in solidarity with Turkey and support the territorial integrity of our NATO Ally, Turkey.

We will continue to follow the developments on the South-Eastern borders of NATO very closely.

I look forward to further contacts between Ankara and Moscow and I call for calm and de-escalation.

Diplomacy and de-escalation are important to resolve this situation.

Now I’m ready to take your questions.

Q (CNN): The Russians are saying the plane was shot down over Syrian territory and never went into Turkish territory. Are you convinced that it was shot down indeed over Turkish airspace and that Turkish airspace was indeed violate?

Secretary General: The Allied assessments we have got from several Allies during the day are consistent with information we have been provided with from Turkey. So the information we have from other Allies is consistent with what we have got from Turkey.

Q (Kurdish media): Mr Stoltenberg, how could be the situation and your position if tension between Russia and Turkey raised? You said that you are continue looking at developments. How could be your position if tensions continue to rise between Russia and Turkey? Thank you.

Secretary General: I’ve think I’ve expressed very clearly that we are calling for calm and de-escalation. This is a serious situation. This is a situation which calls on that we all are prudent and that we all contribute to de-escalating the situation.

And that’s also the reason why I welcome further contacts between Moscow and Ankara. There has been contacts and we would welcome even more contacts. To partly to solve this concrete incident, but also to continue to work on the development and also the strengthening of mechanisms to avoid these kinds of situation in the future.

Actually, inside the Alliance we are discussing how we can develop better and improved measures for transparency, for predictability, and for risk reduction. Because we have to avoid this kind of incidents. We have to avoid that situations, incidents, accidents spiral out of control.

And therefore this is a serious situation, but I think that the new security environment we are facing along NATO borders just underlines the importance of focusing more on predictability, transparency, and different measures to reduce risks.

Q (WSJ): What does this say about the ability for Allies to work together with Russia in Syria? Are the tactics just too different? Are the targets just too different?

Secretary General: The common enemy should be ISIL. And I would welcome all efforts to fight ISIL. And it is important that all of us, also Russia, is guided by the overarching goal of defeating ISIL.

What we have seen is that most of the attacks by Russia so far has been targeted towards targets in parts of Syria where ISIL is not present. So we welcome all efforts to fight ISIL. Our common enemy is ISIL, and therefore I would also welcome all efforts to strengthen the fight against SIIL.

Q (Reuters): Wondered if you had any contacts with the Russians or planned any contacts with the Russians over this incident?

Secretary General: There has been contacts between Ankara and Moscow, Turkey and Russia but so far there has been no direct contact between NATO and Russia. But we have been in contact with Turkey, a NATO ally, which has directly been in contact with Russian authorities.

Q (unknown): Do you have any more clarity as to how the plane was actually shot down because that’s disputed, whether it be surface to surface or surface to air or ground to air missile?

Secretary General: I will be careful going too much into specifics and too much into details but what I can confirm is that the assessments we have from allies are consistent with what Turkey briefed us about earlier today.


NATO - News: Statement by the NATO Secretary General after the extraordinary NAC meeting , 24-Nov.-2015

Brother do they even have any options? Now this comes after Russia confirms one pilot dead!!! What US said? Please post their answer. It's really impossible to stop Russian massive retaliation. This is no joke one Russian dead in Syrian air space. That's what Russia claims and to have proof. Russia said jet was 1-2 km away from Turkish skies. So how could anyone not retaliate? Turkey is facing direct war from Russia. Russia won't shy away to use nukes like West. If it goes to that level it's gonna be our end of the world. US won't do a thing. Almost send supports to Turkey and after some huge loss imposed on Turkey and with Ukraine been the sacrificial goat war will come to an end with some new arrangements like lifting sanctions. Am more concerned and not so far from region of imminent conflict.
 
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We daily violate Greek airspace and they violate ours. Do we shot at each other no ?

Syrian border is different. We changed our RoE and declared it to the world. Russian's played with fire and burnt themselves. Simple as that.

And what did you gain Sinan?
 
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Good for Syria
Good for Iran :D
Bad for Turkey
And Russia is a loser if she doesnt respond properly.no one should expect Russia to escalate an all out war though.I guess Turks should stay away from Syrian airspace for quite some times.

R.I.P to the fallen pilot anyway.
Turkey actually plan to have no fly zone with the USA for that area very soon... you all will see it.. write it down!
 
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Although I'm not the one to support Russia, by far...but..

What happened today was a totally uncalled for and incredible reckless act from Erdogan and the Turkish air force. You simply do not act like that.

Now for the bad:Turkey just handed Russia a golden opportunity to mess with them in any way, shape or form they deem appropriate, short of a direct attack on Turkey itself. Opportunity which will be followed.
You have to be delusional to the extreme, white padded room extreme, to believe that Turkey deterred Russia in any way today.

A masive fck up

R.I.P to the pilots
direct intervention in turkey from russia or any extreme response from russia to turkey is ruled out but russia may increase its support to the kurdish people especially pkk and ypg
 
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Turkey Summons Ambassadors From UNSC Member-Countries Over Su-24 Incident

Turkey Summons Ambassadors From UNSC Member-Countries Over Su-24 Incident

Ambassadors from five United Nations Security Council member-countries were summoned Tuesday at Turkey's request.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The Turkish Foreign Ministry summoned on Tuesday ambassadors from five United Nations Security Council member-countries over the downing of a Russian combat plane on the Turkish-Syrian border, Turkey's Anadolu news agency reported.

According to the agency, the ambassadors from Russia, UK, the United State, China and France will be given information on circumstances surrounding the shooting down of a Su-24 attack aircraft, which allegedly violated the Turkish airspace during a mission against Islamic State militants in Syria.
what it called china for? a waste of time.
 
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This is not about downing the jet but how the Russians are reacting to it. Cowardly. Just like Iran when it got it civilian airliner destroyed by a US ship.

The Axis of meek cowardly weaklings.
 
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If it happens in border area especially in Syria, Turkey will get *** whoop by Russia.
 
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You bring up an interesting point.

Whenever Russians violated any other countries airspace, internet forums were filled with so many people wanting to shoot the jets down.
But now that someone actually did it, the Russians are now suddenly the victims and the good guy.
Damn hypocrisy.

you know by doing this , Russia can establish no fly zone in north of Syria for Turkey fighters !? and then Kurds will have free run in north of Syria and strengthen their position ....

the Sultan didn't think about consequences ....

anyway a question from turkish member : in Islamic era , some ruler were called Sultan and some others were called Malek .... do you the difference between Malek and Sultan !?
 
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