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HVKK (TURAF) shots down Syrian Mi-17

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they don't dare to shoot toward Syrian fighters, only hitting a helicopter which can't fire back.
helicopter has crashed inside Syrian territory, does it mean something for you?

Don't concern yourself man. We will shoot anything down which comes from Syrian side.
 
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BS, old F4?:lol: so it was old too? a recognition F4 without ECM?:lol:
man, F4 is a fighter/bomber (specially anti ground) aircraft which has recognition capabilities too, don't try to show it as a recognition only aircraft. the hypocrite one is you who want to compare it with a helicopter.

RF-4 are outdated planes regardless of what capabilites they had in their days. Seems to me you dont know the difference between RF-4 (Tactical reconnasaince variant) and F-4E (bomber), these where not armed. Go educate yourself a little.
 
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You deserved it.

No matter who the person is, whether I like them or don't - if they step out of line, I tell them straight. :guns:

Of course! Anybody can do whatever they want behind the key-board ;), I'm just hold the rod from the middle :lol: After all, we are civilized enough to refrain from using such langague.
 
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RF-4 are outdated planes regardless of what capabilites they had in their days.Seems to me you dont know the difference between RF-4 (Tactical reconnasaince variant) and F-4E (bomber), these where not armed. Go educate yourself a little.
what about syrian missiles? weren't them outdated? Oh no, that must be cutting edge super weapons, else who would dare to shoot toward your pilots!!!
and also are you applying that you haven't upgraded these aircrafts ? with all of the helps and techs you received from U.S and Israel? if this wasn't Syria who targeted it, your claims for superiorities and upgrades would fill this forum, but now you have to act innocent.
first of all, it's RF-4E and not RF-4, go figure out what that E stand for,
secondly your RF-4Es were received from Germany and they already upgraded them with air-to-ground weapons.
thirdly from the AD point of view, there is no difference between RF-4E and F-4E, specially when we know this is turkey who is openly supporting terrorists in Syria and showing hostility against it's neighborhood.
 
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at least we dont show some junk photos to prove our powers..
 
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what about syrian missiles? weren't them outdated? Oh no, that must be cutting edge super weapons, else who would dare to shoot toward your pilots!!!
and also are you applying that you haven't upgraded these aircrafts ? with all of the helps and techs you received from U.S and Israel? if this wasn't Syria who targeted it, your claims for superiorities and upgrades would fill this forum, but now you have to act innocent.
first of all, it's RF-4E and not RF-4, go figure out what that E stand for,
secondly your RF-4Es were received from Germany and they already upgraded them with air-to-ground weapons.
thirdly from the AD point of view, there is no difference between RF-4E and F-4E, specially when we know this is turkey who is openly supporting terrorists in Syria and showing hostility against it's neighborhood.

I wouldnt try to compare a vietname era aircraft against a Modern Panstir-S1. They might have secondary A-G capabalities but these they where only used as recon-planes by the Turkish Air Force, the role of bombers went to F-4 2020 Terminators and F-16s. And btw yes we have upgraded RF-4s, but we still use non-upgraded once. So no acting though becuase you downed a recon-plane from vietnam era with a modern A-A system is nothing to phucking brag about, we can do the same (and probebly will soon). We acted innocent by downing their helo, yes innocent...
 
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So is Syria demanding a apology from the Turkish? Or is Turkey demanding an explanation for the intrusion?
 
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Syrian Lion i have respect for you and thank you for your answer.

Problems are :
- even if they are a minority, solution is find compromise and stop this war.
- most people in west think majority don't support asad but a big part supports Asad . indeed even if it was half half, fact is the war looks like a "total war". side wants to annihilate other side
- i hate the jihadists like you. they make the situation worst. but hezbollah is making the situation worst too.

I can imagine if Asad with russia was giving such solution like : a temporary president until elections in 2014
fair elections controlled .

I know Fabius is not honnest . but you know he is even giving pain to Obama. Obama trying to find a solution and this guy puts more pressure on him, like a little kid he wants to make things before Americans .

Anyway i wish my friend your country will be saved , no war and your people can live normally. take care

Some good points u are raising here, bachar is no better then Sadam. Everyone in Iraq well almost everyone was tired of him, yet he still use to win by 99% of the votes. The only difference is that bachar wins by 90. And some people are naive enough to believe that figure.
@BLACKEAGLE how are u brother, where have you been.
 
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