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Turkey shoots down "Russian Jet" near border

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Bro. How should TuAF know whether it was Syrian or Russian SU-24, there was 2 SU-24 one reacted and stopped violation !
What should be bombed there ? The next ISIL post is 200 km away !
It was a threat against TÜRKMEN's we are responsible for them. We can not allow hundred thousands to cross Turkish boarder as refugees.
EU said secure your boarders and not US.

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The Turkmen's are part of Syria. A country which is still a SOVEREIGN country as far as the UNO is concerned with Assad as its leader. Only Assad has the right to 'ask' for 'help'. Except those who has invited the rest are invaders/aggressors.

Turkish leadership screwed up so majorly that from 'Zero problem' neighborhood to 'All problem' neighborhood in barely 4 years. That requires some creative self-destruction.

Anyway, I stand by what I said above in my post. Your true friends are those who would criticize you. And so, with pain, I say that your leadership has majorly screwed up!!!

PS. Read John Bolton's article in today's NY Times. Essentially, he is calling for your a truly free Kurdistan. That's your American friends!
 
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turkey had an important point to make and they made it....
russians sending fighters with escorts will make an important point from russian point of view

now its time for both sides to cool down....
any further escalation is not in eirther's interest
 
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the scumbags shot at the pilots and killed one of them and shouted Alan snackbar and all the jihadi BS while celebrating on the corpse of the dead pilot
must be a proud day for NATO for giving a celebration to the scum it vowed to fight after French tragedy

I wonder what is the fate of the corpse and the captured pilot? both might be sold to ISIS so that it can desecrate them to further antagonise the Russians

do note though that FSA trades with ISIS. and ISIS sells oil to you know who
These scumbags were ''relatives'' of the Turkmens from the village where 600 were killed by Russian bombs,just a couple of days ago.
Do you think they would care if anyone would say that its against all rules?
Btw,some of them were shouting ''dont shoot,we need prisoners''.
The pilots will probably be handed over to Turkiye.
 
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the scumbags shot at the pilots and killed one of them and shouted Alan snackbar and all the jihadi BS while celebrating on the corpse of the dead pilot
must be a proud day for NATO for giving a celebration to the scum it vowed to fight after French tragedy

I wonder what is the fate of the corpse and the captured pilot? both might be sold to ISIS so that it can desecrate them to further antagonise the Russians

do note though that FSA trades with ISIS. and ISIS sells oil to you know who


Your pilots have bomb a lot of inicent people dead, wher is your so called humanity?
 
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Just right now what Russia can do in Syria:

1. Send S-300/400 systems to Syria
2. Gift Tanks / ATGMs /MANPADS to Kurds
3. Send more fighters into Syria airbase
4. Send ships in Black Sea
5. Call for a UNSC anti-terrorism emergency session between U.S/Russia/Britain/France/China
6. Announce to deploy Tactical Nukes in Syria
7. Tu-95 & Tu-160 regularly carrying nuke bombs flying around Turkey national boundaries.
8. After finish above, clean terrorists / rebels in Syria as soon as they can.
 
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And when did we apply for membership?


Read below news links

Turkey officially applied to the SCO for “dialogue partnership status" in March 2011, which was approved at the Council of Heads of State Summit in Beijing a few months later. Now, Turkey is waiting for the signing of a memorandum of understanding between the SCO and Turkey as the third “dialogue partner,” following Belarus and Sri Lanka.

Turkey Renews Plea to Join Shanghai Cooperation Organization | The Diplomat

China welcomes Turkish bid for SCO membership | European Dialogue

Turkey Renews Plea to Join Shanghai Cooperation Organization
Turkish PM Erdogan has once again said that Turkey wants to join the SCO. This is just part of Turkey’s larger pivot to Asia.
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By Zachary Keck for The Diplomat
December 01, 2013
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During a trip to Russia in November, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan once again said that Ankara would abandon its quest to join the European Union if it was offered full membership in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization.
According to Turkish newspapers, Erdogan made the comments during a press conference with Russian President Vladimir Putin. The impetus for Erdogan’s remarks was Putin’s response to a question about Ukraine recently pulling out of talks over an EU trade pact.
“We will ask Turkey what we can do. Turkey has great experience in EU talks,” Putin said sarcastically, referring to Ankara’s long and checkered history of seeking EU membership.
Without skipping a beat, Erdogan responded: “You are right. Fifty years of experience is not easy. Allow us into the Shanghai Cooperation Organization and save us from this trouble.”
Given the context the comment was made in, it might be easy to dismiss the comment as a lighthearted joke. However, this is not the first time that Erdogan has said Turkey would gladly forgo EU membership if it was invited to join the SCO as a full member.
Indeed, Erdogan made waves in January of this year when he stated, that “If we get into the SCO, we will say good-bye to the European Union. The Shanghai Five [former name of the SCO] is better — much more powerful. Pakistan wants in. India wants in as well. If the SCO wants us, all of us will become members of this organization.”
He added, “The Shanghai Five is better and more powerful, and we have common values with them.”
This followed comments he made in the summer of last year when, again speaking with Putin, Erdogan said Ankara would like to join the SCO. Shortly after making these initial comments, his office wrote them off as a joke. However, he has now repeated it no less than three times.
The SCO is an international organization created in 2001 by China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan. It was born out of the Shanghai Five group, which consisted of the same nations minus Uzbekistan.
Alongside these permanent members, the SCO also has an increasing number of dialogue partners and observers. Last year, Turkey joined the SCO as a dialogue partner during a summit in Beijing. Belarus and Sri Lanka are also dialogue partners while Afghanistan, India, Pakistan, Iran and Mongolia enjoy observer status at the SCO.
The SCO mainly focuses on common security challenges like anti-terrorism and separation movements. For a number of years now, China has also sought to strengthen economic cooperation within the SCO. These moves have generally been resisted by Russia, which is steadily losing influence to Beijing in Central Asia and already belongs to the economically oriented Eurasian Economic Community with all five Central Asian nations (Uzbekistan is currently suspended from the group).
Consistent with the Shanghai part of its name, China is generally seen as a more enthusiastic backer of the SCO. That Erdogan has generally directed his pleas to join the SCO toward Putin likely reflects the Turkish prime minister’s sentiment that Moscow is the main obstacle to Ankara gaining entry into the SCO. In fact, whereas Turkey and China have some basis of cooperation in Central Asia, Ankara and Moscow has historically competed for influence in the region. Furthermore, although Turkey does suffer from the same kind of separatist movements that the SCO preoccupies itself with, Ankara is most likely seeking to advance its economic interests by joining the SCO.
Whatever the reasons behind Erdogan’s SCO bid, it is just one of a number of recent examples that suggest Turkey is embarking on its own Asian pivot of sorts. As previously reported, Turkey—which is a NATO member—recently announced that it will purchase an air and missile defense system from a Chinese defense company that is under U.S. sanctions. Similarly, Sino-Turkish bilateral trade has grown from US$1.4 billion in 2000 to over US$24 billion last year.
Turkey has also been expanding its relationship with other Asian powers. For example, a Japanese firm won a bid to construct the Marmaray tunnel, one of Erdogan’s most prized projects. Japanese PM Shinzo Abe visited Turkey in October to attend to the official opening of the tunnel. Abe also visited Ankara back in May when he and Erdogan officially upgraded bilateral ties to a strategic partnership. While in Turkey this spring, Abe also concluded a US$22 billion deal in which a Japanese and French firm will jointly build Turkey a second nuclear plant.
Relations between Turkey and South Korea have also been growing steadily. In fact, in March of last year, the two sides signed a free trade agreement. When the agreement came into effect this year, South Korea became the first Asian nation to have a free trade agreement with Turkey. They are already examining ways to expand the FTA by including services and investment.
Australia hopes to be the second country in Asia to conclude an FTA with Turkey.



China welcomes Turkish bid for SCO membership | European Dialogue


China welcomes Turkish bid for SCO membership
By Sman Erol
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Turkey's aspirations for membership in the Russian and Chinese-led Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) might materialize as the organization moves towards admitting new members, the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs said in a special talk with Today's Zaman.
“The SCO is working on improving the administrative and financial basis for new members. The member states of the SCO will meet and make a decision together on the applications proposed by states that are interested in joining,” said a senior Chinese official on Friday.
In addition, he said the SCO observes the principle of openness and values the partnership with observer countries, including Turkey as a dialogue partner, adding that “the SCO is mapping out detailed cooperative measures.”
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The Chinese government's statement came after Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan announced in a TV interview last week that Turkey might seek membership in the SCO, given the stalled negotiations with the European Union that Turkey has struggled for 40 years to join.
"I recently said to [Russian President Vladimir] Putin: ‘Take us into the Shanghai Five. Take us and we will say goodbye to the EU.' What's the point of stalling?” Erdoğan said, referring to the SCO by its previous name.
There has been no official statement on the issue from the Russian government.
Acknowledging for the first time in public Erdoğan's comment that “the SCO is much better than the EU,” which led to a wide range of debate and discussion, Chinese analysts say Ankara's decision to move toward the SCO matches the actual development and power of Turkey in the region. That is, Turkey can choose to go for the SCO or for the EU.
“Since the EU has not accepted Turkey, Turkey can search for a new way. Strengthening the relationship with the SCO will help Turkey to realize its strategic goal for 2023,” Professor Wang Lincong, director of the international relations division of the Institute of West Asian and African Studies and secretary-general of the Gulf Research Center, Chinese Academy of Social Sciences (CASS), said in an interview with Today's Zaman.
In 2023 Turkey will mark the 100th anniversary of the establishment of the Turkish Republic. It is also a critical date that Turks have set to achieve their strategic mission for a competitive economy, a proactive foreign policy and becoming a regional energy hub, all of which will affect Turkey's role in the world.
According to Lincong, the EU has shown by its treatment of Turkey's bid for membership that it still cannot get beyond its narrow, exclusive and inward-looking characteristics and does not realize the importance of the acceptance of Turkey.
“Given the deep financial crisis in Europe, the members of the EU should know that they need Turkey much more; it is a chance for the development of the EU,” Lincong said.
Commenting on the importance Turkey attaches to the SCO with its recent announcement, Lincong said that for the past 10 years, Turkey has become more open and pays more attention to the East under its policy of balanced diplomacy, adding, “Turkey's eastward-oriented strategy has created broad prospects for the development of the country.”
The SCO is an intergovernmental security organization composed of six member countries: China, Russia, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan, and which some say also has a strategic goal of ending the global hegemony of the US, Turkey's NATO ally.
Turkey officially applied to the SCO for “dialogue partnership status" in March 2011, which was approved at the Council of Heads of State Summit in Beijing a few months later. Now, Turkey is waiting for the signing of a memorandum of understanding between the SCO and Turkey as the third “dialogue partner,” following Belarus and Sri Lanka.
 
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I hope and wish the arrogant cocky Turkish *** gets spanked so bad by Russia that Turks remember it for eternity.
USA,Britain. JAPAN,and all, just shadow Russian planes and escort them out of their airspace.
Why ex-retired, consumed Ex ottomon superpower thought they will do something nobody has done for the last 50 years and getaway with it?
 
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If so Russians are part of Ukraine who are living in Crimea and East Ukraine.

Are you really trying to draw an analogy between Russia-Ukraine and Turkey-Syrian-Turkmen? If so then let's spell it out: Wherever there is an 'Turk' being killed is like a Turkish citizen being killed?!

You don't even know how little 'punch' Turkey without the NATO umbrella. You are being setup for country-level bodybag and your leadership is on a path to fill a mass grave with those bodybags.

I am pretty sure there are plenty of rational minded Turks who know the folly of anti-Assad policies. Your nationalism shouldn't blind you to those follies. Learn from us Pakistanis! Not only we CARE for you but we also have our own experience from the 80's--about how we too were made to 'feel important'. To be put on a 'pedestal'. You are already, visibly on a path of that kind of destruction. I hate to say that.
 
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