Turkey refuses Russian ships based in occupied Crimea to dock

[ptldM3]

No, its not better than EU figures. We live like gods compared to russian 3rd worlders. What we need is that russians suffer even more. The worse its get the more instable gets russia. At same time the ukrainian troops make good gains. That Putin does not support them shows that its working.

Most funny thing is, that crimean peninsula gets bleed out. There is virtually a complete ban on any crimean products. Must suck for them.

You might want to do some research buddy


Cyprus GDP 2013 -5.4%
Greece DDP 2013 -3.9%
Portugal GDP 2013 -1.4%
Finland GDP 2013 -1.4%
Spain GDP 2013 -1.2%
Slovania GDP 2013 -1.1%
Netherlands 2013 -0.8%
Italy GDP 2014 -1.9%
Bulgaria GDP 2013 0.9%
France GDP 2013 0.2%

No, that is a lie. Original people of Crimea are Tatars. Russians were moved to Crimea by Stalin to steal Turkic lands. If Russia continues this policy of fascism we will have to lock up Russians in Black Sea and move to Azeri, Turkmen, Kurdish, Cyprus, Kazakh oil and gas.

Great fantasy, now return to reality.

 

[senheiser]

No, that is a lie. Original people of Crimea are Tatars. Russians were moved to Crimea by Stalin to steal Turkic lands. If Russia continues this policy of fascism we will have to lock up Russians in Black Sea and move to Azeri, Turkmen, Kurdish, Cyprus, Kazakh oil and gas.

haha dream on. Also cyprus ?

so stalin is criminal? How you think it was even possible that tatars and alian people in europe could end up being the majority in crimea, it was deportation of slavic indoeuropean by the golden horde and its tatar successor.

Crimean Slave Trade, How Crimean Tatars raided and abused Russian People

not only that after taking crimea you kept abusing russians by raiding and stealing russian women and children to enslave them, much bigger slave trade then afro american. You tribe got what was coming to you.

 

[atatwolf]

Turkey has the keys to the Black Sea making it our Sea. We will have the last word what happens there.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

crimea was never part of tatars, tatars came from asia like kylmyk. And wrong syrians are fighting for scharia while ukrainians are fighting for nazism, very similiar indeed tough.

I was staying away from the topic. But you asked it.

First of all, Crimean Tatars didnt come to Crimea with Mongol invasion in 13th century. Crimean Tatars speak Kypchak language, not Mongol. That evidence is enough to counter your claim. Crimean Tatars claim that they descended from Kypchak, Cumans, Pecheneg and Uzs. Anyway Turkic presence in Crimea goes back as far as to Khazars and Huns. Officially Crimean Tatars never start their history with Mongols.

Secondly, Turkey doesnt recognize Crimea as part of RF. Therefore, taking stance within international community, we follow international law and act against unlawful occupation of Crimea by Russians.

 

[senheiser]

Turkey has the keys to the Black Sea making it our Sea. We will have the last word what happens there.

russia has key to eurasia-american air flight, we have last word there and can bankrupt your air lines

I was staying away from the topic. But you asked it.

First of all, Crimean Tatars didnt come to Crimea with Mongol invasion in 13th century. Crimean Tatars speak Kypchak language, not Mongol. That evidence is enough to counter your claim. Crimean Tatars claim that they descended from Kypchak, Cumans, Pecheneg and Uzs. Anyway Turkic presence in Crimea goes back as far as to Khazars and Huns. Officially Crimean Tatars never start their history with Mongols.

Secondly, Turkey doesnt recognize Crimea as part of RF. Therefore, taking stance within international community, we follow international law and act against unlawful occupation of Crimea by Russians.

you alianted with mongols

 

[ptldM3]

No, that is a lie. Original people of Crimea are Tatars. Russians were moved to Crimea by Stalin to steal Turkic lands. If Russia continues this policy of fascism we will have to lock up Russians in Black Sea and move to Azeri, Turkmen, Kurdish, Cyprus, Kazakh oil and gas.

No the first inhabitants of Crimea were Cimmerians, they were their long before the Tatars.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

you alianted with mongols

Alliance doesnt make kypcak turkic speaking Crimean Tatars alien to Crimea. They were there before you do. Historical documents prove their ancestors living in each town, village.

No the first inhabitants of Crimea were Cimmerians, they were their long before the Tatars.

You cannot point your fingers at any Cimmerian, Goth or Scythian, right?

But descendants of Crimean native Turks are there.

 

[atatwolf]

Alliance doesnt make kypcak turkic speaking Crimean Tatars alien to Crimea. They were there before you do. Historical documents prove their ancestors living in each town, village.



You cannot point your fingers at any Cimmerian, Goth or Scythian, right?

But descendants of Crimean native Turks are there.

The name Tatar is also not their authentic name. Tatars called themselves "Turk" before the name Tatar was invented for them. And you are right, they are there since Ancient times. Their identity is older than most European identities.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

The name Tatar is also not their authentic name. Tatars called themselves "Turk" before the name Tatar was invented for them.

Crimean Khans used Tatar as ethnic background, and at least one of them used Mongol. In their yarlygs, they openly declare.

But for society, Turkic speaking tribes like Kypchak, Argyn, Baryn, Shyryn continued to inhabit Crimea in centuries under Tatar rule.

 

[ptldM3]

Alliance doesnt make kypcak turkic speaking Crimean Tatars alien to Crimea. They were there before you do. Historical documents prove their ancestors living in each town, village.



You cannot point your fingers at any Cimmerian, Goth or Scythian, right?

But descendants of Crimean native Turks are there.

Of course i can, and i did. What is your point anyways? Much of present day Turkey was taken from people's, tribes and empires that were there long before the Turkic people.

 

[vK_man]

The name Tatar is also not their authentic name. Tatars called themselves "Turk" before the name Tatar was invented for them. And you are right, they are there since Ancient times. Their identity is older than most European identities.

And tsar Nicholas 1 brought many crimean tatars back to the fold of orthodox christianity .Same was the fate of Nogai hordes who were converted to orthodoxy and became known as Gagauz.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

Of course i can, and i did. What is your point anyways? Much of present day Turkey was taken from people's, tribes and empires that were there long before the Turkic people.

There is no one claiming land in Crimea who descended from Cimmerians or Sythians or Goths. But Turks are there claiming their land.

Anyway, Turkey is siding with international community against lawless occupation of Crimea. And we are not Georgia to push around, and your Black sea fleet would remain sea locked if you continue your aggresive stance against Ukraine and indirectly against NATO members.

 

[vK_man]

There is no one claiming land in Crimea who descended from Cimmerians or Sythians or Goths. But Turks are there claiming their land.

Anyway, Turkey is siding with international community against lawless occupation of Crimea. And we are not Georgia to push around, and your Black sea fleet would remain sea locked if you continue your aggresive stance against Ukraine and indirectly against NATO members.

turkey and international law???utter joke... this is a new one considering the wahabbi menace turkey has supported in syria.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

turkey and international law???utter joke... this is a new one considering the wahabbi menace turkey has supported in syria.

Turkey didnt invade any land belonging to sovereign country. Turkey accepted refugees, they are not T.C. Citizens, what refugees do is their responsibility.

 

[vK_man]

Turkey didnt invade any land belonging to sovereign country. Turkey accepted refugees, they are not T.C. Citizens, what refugees do is their responsibility.

lol.... like setting up terrorist training camps .
or providing chemical weapons to al-nusra:
Seymour M. Hersh · The Red Line and the Rat Line: Erdoğan and the Syrian rebels · LRB 17 April 2014

Turkish Official: “Chemical Weapons Sent From Turkey to Syria” | Global Research