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Correction, they are ardent Kemalists, which is very similar to the Israeli ideology as anti-Islam bias is concerned. Pakistanis who support Turkey don't realize that Turkey is obliged to provide man and material resources to NATO according to NATO charter if NATO decides to invade Pakistan, which is a very big possibility in the future. In such a situation, Pakistanis must brace to be oppressed, bombed and killed like rats by the Kemalist Turkish Army as they are already doing against our Muslim Brothers of Afghanistan.

Another post with full of wrong information by S-19..Turkey is not obliged to provide man or whatsoever if NATO decides to invade(??) or attack(??) Pakistan..According to Article 5 of Washington Treaty;

The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area. Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.

NATO Topics - NATO and the Scourge of Terrorism

Unless a country or whatsoever launches an armed attack against a Nato member country, Nato member countries are not obliged to support any Nato offensive initiative..We have experienced that on Operation Unified Protector..Out of 28 Nato countries, only 13 of them were belligerents and that was a Nato offensive initiative..So, once again you are wrong dear S-19

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unified_Protector
 
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First, let us look at the alliance with 'Rum'

The Prophet said: "You will make an alliance with 'Rum' and then you and they together will combat an enemy. You will be victorious in that battle. After that all of you will stay at a pasture, at that time a person from among the People of the cross will raise a cross then a Muslim will get angry and rise to him and push him away. Thereafter all the People of Rum get together and attack you under eighty divisions, 12000 soldiers under each division…" [Abu Dawood]

Who is this "Rum"? Is this the Rome of Italy? Is this the NATO/Israeli alliance? To find the answer to this we need to go back to the Quran. In Quran, in Sura ar-Rum, "Rum" is referred to as the Byzantine Empire:

"The Byzantines (Rum) have been defeated, but they, after their defeat, will overcome" - 2-3, sura ar-Rum.

Byzantine empire housed the Eastern Orthodox Christianity Church. So, who is the "Byzantine Empire" of today? When Fatih Sultan Mehmet invaded and conquered Constantinople, the patriarch declared that they are shifting their HQ to Moscow.

As a result of the Christianization of Kievan Rus' in 988, Prince Vladimir I of Kiev officially adopted Byzantine Rite Christianity — the religion of the Eastern Roman Empire — as the state religion of Kievan Rus'. This date is often considered the official birthday of the Russian Orthodox Church. Thus, in 1988, the Church celebrated its millennial anniversary. It therefore traces its apostolic succession through the Patriarch of Constantinople.

Russian Orthodox Church - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2nd: Look at the Russian seal:

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And the Byzantine Seal:

Byzantine_eagle.JPG


Russia is the only country in the world that sport this double headed eagle theme on the national seal.

3rd:Russian Army has the capacity to field one million men in a single battlefield and that their motorized division are indeed organized in groups of 12,000 men. Russia is a federation which, since March 1, 2008, consists of 83 federal subjects - and remember the Hadith said 80 divisions.

Therefore, it should be clear by now that "Rum" is the Russia of today, which is the spiritual Byzantine Empire referred to the Quran and Hadith.

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Hadith narrated in Sahih Bukhari from Awf Bin Malik who said that "I went to the Prophet during the Ghazwa of Tabuk while he was sitting in a leather tent. He said, "Count six signs that indicate the approach of the Hour: my death, the conquest of Jerusalem, a plague that will afflict you (and kill you in great numbers) as the plague that afflicts sheep, the increase of wealth to such an extent that even if one is given one hundred Dinars, he will not be satisfied; then an affliction which no Arab house will escape, and then a truce between you and Bani Al-Asfar (i.e. the Byzantines) who will betray you and attack you under eighty objectives. Under each objective will be twelve thousand soldiers".

Therefore, it follows that this alliance of Islam and Russia would be short-lived. Rum would betray the Muslims later on.

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Now how about Constantinople (istanbul)?

When they will arrange themselves in ranks, the Romans will say: ' Do not stand between us and those (Christian Converts to Islam) who were taken away from amongst us. Let us fight with them ' ; and the Muslims will say: 'No! by Allah, we will not stand aside and let you fight our brothers.'

They will then fight. A third (of the Muslim army) will be defeated (& run away), and Allah will never forgive them. A third (of the Muslim army) will be killed and they will be regarded as the best martyrs in the eyes of Allah. A third (of the Muslim army) will conquer and they do not get affected by Fitna (tribulations). They will conquer Constantinople (Istanbul)

While the Muslims are busy distributing the spoils (booty) of war, after hanging their swords by the olive trees, Satan will shout: 'The Anti-Christ has taken your place among your family (or in your land).' The Muslims will then come out, but will find out that it is not true. And when they arrive to Al-Sham (Damascus or Syria), he (Anti-Christ) will come out. While they (Muslims) are preparing to fight him, and drawing up their ranks, prayer time will come and then, Jesus the son of Mary will descend and lead (or join) them in prayer. When Allah's enemy (Anti-Christ) sees him (Jesus), it will dissolve just as the salt dissolves in water. If Jesus were to leave him (Anti-Christ) alone, he (Anti-Christ) would melt to death anyway, but Allah will have him (Anti-Christ) killed by his (Jesus') hand, and he (Jesus) will show the Muslims his (Anti-Christ's) blood on his (Jesus') spear." (Sahih Muslim)

Abu Huraira narrates that Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم said:

"The Hour (of Resurrection) will not come until the الروم Rum land in Al-A'maq (valleys in Antioch, southern Turkey) or in Dabiq (a plain near Aleppo, Syria). An army consisting of the best of the people of the Earth (an international Muslim army) at that time will come out of Medina to face them.

It is clear that the above Hadith refers to the need to re-conquer Istanbul by Muslims after betrayal by Russiain the end times, since Dajjal is referred to. This does not refer to the conquest which took place in 1453 as Dajjal is referred to in this hadith. Therefore it follows that, Constantinople (Istanbul) will be occupied by Russia very soon and ar-Rum would be re-instated. As the Hadith also says that the great slaughter and battle would take place in the border of Syria/Turkey with Ar-Rum, it follows that whole Anatolia and sorrounding area would be occupied by Russia at that time and Russia would be seeking to expand downwards when this great battle will take place.

This great slaughter that is to occur speaks of a certain demarcation line between the PLAINS of A'maq and Dhabiq, (last time I check these places are the border between Syria and Turkey)

My interpretation is that: When Israel starts the big wars in order to decimate the Arabs and expand its territory, there would be uprising in Turkey urging the government to get out of NATO. This would eventually lead to civil war which would invite Russian intervention. This Russian intervention will kick NATO out of Turkey, however, Russia would betray the Muslims of Turkey and destroy and occupy Turkey instead, re-instating ar-Rum in Constantinople (Istanbul). The army from Madinah will re-conquer Turkey from Russian occupation later on, while doing so, one third of this army will be killed, one third will flee and one third will be victorious to conquer constantinople/Istanbul.
 
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Another post with full of wrong information by S-19..Turkey is not obliged to provide man or whatsoever if NATO decides to invade(??) or attack(??) Pakistan..According to Article 5 of Washington Treaty;

The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area. Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.

NATO Topics - NATO and the Scourge of Terrorism

Unless a country or whatsoever launches an armed attack against a Nato member country, Nato member countries are not obliged to support any Nato offensive initiative..We have experienced that on Operation Unified Protector..Out of 28 Nato countries, only 13 of them were belligerents and that was a Nato offensive initiative..So, once again you are wrong dear S-19

Operation Unified Protector - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It follows that you interpreted it wrongly... lets look at the interpretaioin offered by NATO, just scroll down the page:


What does Article 5 mean?

Article 5 is at the basis of a fundamental principle of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation. It provides that if a NATO Ally is the victim of an armed attack, each and every other member of the Alliance will consider this act of violence as an armed attack against all members and will take the actions it deems necessary to assist the Ally attacked.

This is the principle of collective defence.

NATO Topics - NATO and the Scourge of Terrorism

........each and every other member of the Alliance will consider this act of violence as an armed attack against all members.........

1st: A false flag attack blamed on Pakistan say, in London or NY will also be "considered an attack against Turkey".

.............will take the actions it deems necessary to assist the Ally attacked.........

So, Turkey will take actions as it deems necessary to assist US/NATO. Note that it, being the 2nd largest NATO member, will have to. since Turkey will "consider this act of violence as an armed attack against all members". EDIT: Also consider the explanation below the nato page which explains how this was applied in case of 9/11.


Please dont try to justify your inclusion in the Jewish-Christian (Zionist) alliance which is clearly forbidden in the Quran. Which has killed 1 million+ Iraqi Muslims, some 60000 Libyan Muslims and some countless Afghans and is responsible for the death of 100000 Pakistani muslims from insurgency.
 
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^^ I can also explain the Hadith this way.

1-If we are to say that Al-Rum are Russia and they were allies but betrayed us then we have to think no longer than the Soviets and the Arab-Israeli wars where Soviets really betrayed Muslims there who were then their allies. And right now Russia controls Syria so the Army from Madinah (Modern day Saudi Arabia) will go and fight them there and free Syria from them.

2-Feel free to PM me to give you this explanation.
 
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First, let us look at the alliance with 'Rum'



Who is this "Rum"? Is this the Rome of Italy? Is this the NATO/Israeli alliance? To find the answer to this we need to go back to the Quran. In Quran, in Sura ar-Rum, "Rum" is referred to as the Byzantine Empire:

"The Byzantines (Rum) have been defeated, but they, after their defeat, will overcome" - 2-3, sura ar-Rum.

Byzantine empire housed the Eastern Orthodox Christianity Church. So, who is the "Byzantine Empire" of today? When Fatih Sultan Mehmet invaded and conquered Constantinople, the patriarch declared that they are shifting their HQ to Moscow.



Russian Orthodox Church - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2nd: Look at the Russian seal:

russia_flag_with_eagle.gif


And the Byzantine Seal:

Byzantine_eagle.JPG


Russia is the only country in the world that sport this double headed eagle theme on the national seal

3rd:Russian Army has the capacity to field one million men in a single battlefield and that their motorized division are indeed organized in groups of 12,000 men. Russia is a federation which, since March 1, 2008, consists of 83 federal subjects - and remember the Hadith said 80 divisions.

Therefore, it should be clear by now that "Rum" is the Russia of today, which is the spiritual Byzantine Empire referred to the Quran and Hadith.

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Hadith narrated in Sahih Bukhari from Awf Bin Malik who said that "I went to the Prophet during the Ghazwa of Tabuk while he was sitting in a leather tent. He said, "Count six signs that indicate the approach of the Hour: my death, the conquest of Jerusalem, a plague that will afflict you (and kill you in great numbers) as the plague that afflicts sheep, the increase of wealth to such an extent that even if one is given one hundred Dinars, he will not be satisfied; then an affliction which no Arab house will escape, and then a truce between you and Bani Al-Asfar (i.e. the Byzantines) who will betray you and attack you under eighty objectives. Under each objective will be twelve thousand soldiers".

Therefore, it follows that this alliance of Islam and Russia would be short-lived. Rum would betray the Muslims later on.

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Now how about Constantinople (istanbul)?





It is clear that the above Hadith refers to the need to re-conquer Istanbul by Muslims after betrayal by Russiain the end times, since Dajjal is referred to. This does not refer to the conquest which took place in 1453 as Dajjal is referred to in this hadith. Therefore it follows that, Constantinople (Istanbul) will be occupied by Russia very soon and ar-Rum would be re-instated. As the Hadith also says that the great slaughter and battle would take place in the border of Syria/Turkey with Ar-Rum, it follows that whole Anatolia and sorrounding area would be occupied by Russia at that time and Russia would be seeking to expand downwards when this great battle will take place.

This great slaughter that is to occur speaks of a certain demarcation line between the PLAINS of A'maq and Dhabiq, (last time I check these places are the border between Syria and Turkey)

My interpretation is that: When Israel starts the big wars in order to decimate the Arabs and expand its territory, there would be uprising in Turkey urging the government to get out of NATO. This would eventually lead to civil war which would invite Russian intervention. This Russian intervention will kick NATO out of Turkey, however, Russia would betray the Muslims of Turkey and destroy and occupy Turkey instead, re-instating ar-Rum in Constantinople (Istanbul). The army from Madinah will re-conquer Turkey from Russian occupation later on, while doing so, one third of this army will be killed, one third will flee and one third will be victorious to conquer constantinople/Istanbul.

I appreciate your efforts..But yet again these Hadiths that you brought here does not indicate that Istanbul or Turkey or whatever will be invaded by Russian-Islamic alliance..This is what you conclude by misinterpretation..For example you conclude that Rum is Russia because they both use double headed eagle on their seals..And you said only country that has 2 double headed eagle is Russia..What about Albania? What about The Holy Roman Empire? Even Seljuk Turks used Double headed eagle.

The double-headed eagle became the standard of the Seljuk Turks with the crowning of Tuğrul (meaning "Falcon") Beg at Mosul in 1058 as "King of the East and the West" and was much used afterwards.[citation needed] The Sultans of Rum, Ala ad-Din Kayqubad I (1220–1237) and his son Kaykhusraw II (1237–1246) used the bicephalous eagle in their standards,[citation needed] and the motif was also found on tissues, cut stones, mural squares, and Koran holders.

Double-headed eagle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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I appreciate your efforts..But yet again these Hadiths that you brought here does not indicate that Istanbul or Turkey or whatever will be invaded by Russian-Islamic alliance..This is what you conclude by misinterpretation..For example you conclude that Rum is Russia because they both use double headed eagle on their seals..And you said only country that has 2 double headed eagle is Russia..What about Albania? What about The Holy Roman Empire? Even Seljuk Turks used Double headed eagle.

The double-headed eagle became the standard of the Seljuk Turks with the crowning of Tuğrul (meaning "Falcon") Beg at Mosul in 1058 as "King of the East and the West" and was much used afterwards.[citation needed] The Sultans of Rum, Ala ad-Din Kayqubad I (1220–1237) and his son Kaykhusraw II (1237–1246) used the bicephalous eagle in their standards,[citation needed] and the motif was also found on tissues, cut stones, mural squares, and Koran holders.

Double-headed eagle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes, Turks used double-headed eagle when Turkey was the byzantine empire. That is exactly how I explained it. And Holy Roman empire does not exist today. Albania is not capable of invading Turkey nor does it house the Eastern Orthodox Church's HQ.

There could be various explanations and I do respect you if you interpret it differently. But I would stick with the one which is the most sensible keeping the geo-political developments in view.

I also expect it to be ridiculed further and I do understand feelings of the Turkish members here. As such this will be my last post in this topic.
 
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It follows that you interpreted it wrongly... lets look at the interpretaioin offered by NATO, just scroll down the page:




NATO Topics - NATO and the Scourge of Terrorism

........each and every other member of the Alliance will consider this act of violence as an armed attack against all members.........

1st: A false flag attack blamed on Pakistan say, in London or NY will also be "considered an attack against Turkey".

.............will take the actions it deems necessary to assist the Ally attacked.........

So, Turkey will take actions as it deems necessary to assist US/NATO. Note that it, being the 2nd largest NATO member, will have to. since Turkey will "consider this act of violence as an armed attack against all members". EDIT: Also consider the explanation below the nato page which explains how this was applied in case of 9/11.


Please dont try to justify your inclusion in the Jewish-Christian (Zionist) alliance which is clearly forbidden in the Quran. Which has killed 1 million+ Iraqi Muslims, some 60000 Libyan Muslims and some countless Afghans and is responsible for the death of 100000 Pakistani muslims from insurgency.

S-19 you must be watching conspiracy movies too much..So a false flag attack blamed on Pakistan will be a base of full scale Nato invasion of Pakistan? :) I wonder, when you post something here, do you really believe in what you say or you just post to post something? May be out of boredom?
 
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Yes, Turks used double-headed eagle when Turkey was the byzantine empire. That is exactly how I explained it. And Holy Roman empire does not exist today. Albania is not capable of invading Turkey nor does it house the Eastern Orthodox Church's HQ.

There could be various explanations and I do respect you if you interpret it differently. But I would stick with the one which is the most sensible keeping the geo-political developments in view.

I also expect it to be ridiculed further and I do understand feelings of the Turkish members here. As such this will be my last post in this topic.

When Seljuk Turks used double headed eagle, Byzantine Empire was still there, therefore how can Seljuk Turks become Byzantine Empire while real Byzantine Empire was still there and intact? Remember the fall of Byzantine Empire : 1453
 
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@BordoEnes
Since Operation Sun the Pkk didnt had any MANPAD at its disposel so the Turkish Helo where free to fly anywhere they want!

Wrong, this statement is inaccurate, the PKK does operate anti-aircraft cannons since decades, they are as much as a headache as strella weapons.


pkk_ucaksavar2.jpg
 
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MANPAD are heat seeking guided missiles which target aircrafts.

Oh no?!! you cant be fcking serious??!! is this really true?

As i said they are as much as headache as the manpads, i know what the differences are, so before making yourself look ridiculous first try to figure out use ur brain try to understand what i was trying to say.. i mean no difference they had a-a cannons and manpads already.
 
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Oh no?!! you cant be fcking serious??!! is this really true?

As i said they are as much as headache as the manpads, i know what the differences are, so before making yourself look ridiculous first try to figure out use ur brain try to understand what i was trying to say.. i mean no difference they had a-a cannons and manpads already.

ok. dont panic.
 
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@BordoEnes

Wrong, this statement is inaccurate, the PKK does operate anti-aircraft cannons since decades, they are as much as a headache as strella weapons.


pkk_ucaksavar2.jpg

There is a major difference between Small-Time AA Guns and MANPADs! MANPADs are far more accurate and dangerous compared those small Guns. AA Guns can be detected much easear since they are bigger and most shots miss, Why do you think there are no more Helos shut down since Operation sun? My Statements is correct, Since Operation Sun where we captured or destroyed the stela inventrory of PKK, Look at the damage a strela can do in PKK Hand yet alone havin dosens of them!


Why dont you do some research before you comment that might help.
 
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