Featured Turkey, Libya, Qatar agree to ink military deal

[GumNaam]

Another alliance ,Muslims fighting Muslims. Good going

negative. its Muslims fighting munafiqs!

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

In sha Allah...

rest assured, Pakistani military personnel INCLUDING fighter pilots are INDEED quietly there. PAF especially has always quietly sent its combat pilots over. it is no different this time either.

Amin..

Having control over Libya means the control over the half of the Muslim World....

The Libyan folks never betrayed the Ottomans. A very important garrison - most probably the 7th Army - remained always deployed there in the Ottoman times. After successfully dethroning Sultan Abdul Hamid Han the "Young Turks" released Sherif Hussein and removed the 7th Army from Libya! When the message of the defeat in Libya at the hands of the Italians was delivered to the Minister of War he was playing "billiard" with the Italian Ambassador!!!! He saw the note and put it into his pocket while hitting the next ball...

History is being reversed by HIS PERMISSION for HE is the LORD of TIME....

 

[GumNaam]

Amin..

Having control over Libya means the control over the half of the Muslim World....

The Libyan folks never betrayed the Ottomans. A very important garrison - most probably the 7th Army - remained always deployed there in the Ottoman times. After successfully dethroning Sultan Abdul Hamid Han the "Young Turks" released Sherif Hussein and removed the 7th Army from Libya! When the message of the defeat in Libya at the hands of the Italians was delivered to the Minister of War he was playing "billiard" with the Italian Ambassador!!!! He saw the note and put it into his pocket while hitting the next ball...

History is being reversed by HIS PERMISSION for HE is the LORD of TIME....

Agreed.

they plan, He plans...and HE is the best of planners! In sha Allah, I look forward to the rise of the Turks. Pakistan shall stand with the Turks shoulder to shoulder and rid the world of tyranny, perversions, inequality, financial slavery and all other forms of injustice.

 

[himate]

Amin..

Having control over Libya means the control over the half of the Muslim World....

The Libyan folks never betrayed the Ottomans. A very important garrison - most probably the 7th Army - remained always deployed there in the Ottoman times. After successfully dethroning Sultan Abdul Hamid Han the "Young Turks" released Sherif Hussein and removed the 7th Army from Libya! When the message of the defeat in Libya at the hands of the Italians was delivered to the Minister of War he was playing "billiard" with the Italian Ambassador!!!! He saw the note and put it into his pocket while hitting the next ball...

History is being reversed by HIS PERMISSION for HE is the LORD of TIME....

inshaAllah all the truth will come out about these secular traitors and what they were up to during early part of the 20th century. These traitors and their complicity have been hidden from public scrutiny for a century and some them are even falsly revered by fools with colonised mindset

 

[GumNaam]

@Hakikat ve Hikmet @ @himate
so...question for you brothers, under the leadership of Prez. Erdugan, how strong & effective is Turkey's intelligence & military establishment? Do the military commanders agree & embrace Erdugan's vision & are the intelligence agencies capable of effectively neutralizing the internal 5th columnist traitors (otherwise known as "seculars", "liberals" & even the supposedly "religious" ones who put up s religious & patriotic front but are in fact working against the country & its ideals) that the western/zionist powers love to use to create internal fractures?

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

@Hakikat ve Hikmet @ @himate
so...question for you brothers, under the leadership of Prez. Erdugan, how strong & effective is Turkey's intelligence & military establishment? Do the military commanders agree & embrace Erdugan's vision & are the intelligence agencies capable of effectively neutralizing the internal 5th columnist traitors (otherwise known as "seculars", "liberals" & even the supposedly "religious" ones who put up s religious & patriotic front but are in fact working against the country & its ideals) that the western/zionist powers love to use to create internal fractures?

Please note the following points (any mistakes belong to me):

• Around 55-60% of the folks in Turkey are conservative to various degrees. Plus there're around 15% who support the State. Therefore, around 70% of the folks, irrespective of being "religious", "nationalist", "secular", "liberal" etc., in fact are enjoying the Turkish stances on PKK/YPG in Syria/Irak, or on the East Med against Greece/France, or in Libya. They know Turkey gave tons of concessions during the Treaty of Lausanne as they were weak at that time. For instance, all the oil rich regions (currently in Irak/Syria etc.) were specifically cut-off from Turkey, and all the strategic islands were given to Greece/Italy etc.. Even Kemal Pasha had to assuage the "angry" parliamentarians, following the signing of the Treaty of Lausanne, by saying Turkey would reassert her claims when she gets strong. The folks feel like that time is coming
• As for the State Machinery including Military, they're almost unanimous in the current policies
• As for the 5th columnists, they've been always there but now with a much diminished effect and power. The hard core ones, who are basically armed terrorists, are being sorted out at an accelerated rate
• Thanks to Erdo'an's planning and execution, the "free" media (basically the Imperialist stooges) has lost much of its tooth

 

[Saho]

Can it deter the trio of Greece, Egypt and France tho?

 

[GumNaam]

Can it deter the trio of Greece, Egypt and France tho?

YES! greece & france are not stupid enough to lock horns with The Turks. they will use egypt as cannon fodders. but egypt itself won't be able to hold much of any resistance against The Turks due to lack of experience & is own internal problems not to mention the impending confrontation when ethiopia.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

YES! greece & france are not stupid enough to lock horns with The Turks. they will use egypt as cannon fodders. but egypt itself won't be able to hold much of any resistance against The Turks due to lack of experience & is own internal problems not to mention the impending confrontation when ethiopia.

And, guess what? Both Turkey and Katar have considerable investments in Ethiopia! And, the Ethiopian FM visited Ankara last month. According to the Arab media, Turkey and Katar might help to find a compromise b/w Egypt and Ethiopia regarding slowing down the dam filling rate...

 

[himate]

Im getting rumours that there is huge de-escalation between Turkey and Egypt since Greece/Egypt EEZ deal. Apparently Egypt has decided not to compromise Turkey territorial claim with Greece and therefore did not agree with the latter's med EEZ map. More will be revealed in the coming weeks and months. Turkish and Egyptian Intelligence has started collaborating and interesting times ahead InshaAllah

 

[Deliorman]

Amin..

Having control over Libya means the control over the half of the Muslim World....

The Libyan folks never betrayed the Ottomans. A very important garrison - most probably the 7th Army - remained always deployed there in the Ottoman times. After successfully dethroning Sultan Abdul Hamid Han the "Young Turks" released Sherif Hussein and removed the 7th Army from Libya! When the message of the defeat in Libya at the hands of the Italians was delivered to the Minister of War he was playing "billiard" with the Italian Ambassador!!!! He saw the note and put it into his pocket while hitting the next ball...

History is being reversed by HIS PERMISSION for HE is the LORD of TIME....

Dude, you tell very nice fairy tales and with a few words in Arabic you make them sound very nice to the ears and minds who know nothing but let get some things straight.

The Turkish- Italian war for Libya was fought between September 1911 and October 1912. At that time the Sultan was Mehmed V who came to power in 1909 and not Abdulhamit. What notes and billard tables you are talking about I don’t know but at the hight of the war between 100 and 140k Italian soldiers were in Libya- all of whom supplied and using the best weaponry for the time. Their Navy was controlling the whole shore plus much of the Eastern Mediterranean so Turkish ships could neither supply nor fight back.
On the Turkish side you had 8 to 10k Turks plus 15-20k Libyan volunteers at most who were all poorly equipped and supplied. What 7th Army you are talking about when most the Ottoman forces could do was to fight a guerrilla war.

The Empire in its last decades was absolutely ruined and for much of that you can blame your lovely Abdulhamit (and Abdulazis before him) who bankrupted it and basically made it a Western protectorate. That same guy lost half the Empire even before the 1880s- long before many of those Young Turks were even born so spare me your bullshite.

 

[himate]

Dude, you tell very nice fairy tales and with a few words in Arabic you make them sound very nice to the ears and minds who know nothing but let get some things straight.

The Turkish- Italian war for Libya was fought between September 1911 and October 1912. At that time the Sultan was Mehmed V who came to power in 1909 and not Abdulhamit. What notes and billard tables you are talking about I don’t know but at the hight of the war between 100 and 140k Italian soldiers were in Libya- all of whom supplied and using the best weaponry for the time. Their Navy was controlling the whole shore plus much of the Eastern Mediterranean so Turkish ships could neither supply nor fight back.
On the Turkish side you had 8 to 10k Turks plus 15-20k Libyan volunteers at most who were all poorly equipped and supplied. What 7th Army you are talking about when most the Ottoman forces could do was to fight a guerrilla war.

The Empire in its last decades was absolutely ruined and for much of that, you can blame your lovely Abdulhamit (and Abdulazis before him) who bankrupted it and basically made it a Western protectorate. That same guy lost half the Empire even before the 1880s- long before many of those Young Turks were even born so spare me your bullshite.

It is not bull$hit, there were lots of traitors all throughout the empire. I don't blame the young Turks though, they are just a product of long term failure over the centuries of complacency. I agree with you the enemies were well equipped as well as having the numbers.
The biggest reason the empire fell which no one recognises yet is that it had a combined population of manpower even smaller than that of the British isles let alone the combined (british) empire and even worse the collective empires of our enemies. I blame the sultans of the previous centuries for not seeing the dangers and their choices in life. It was too late to save the empire when Abdul Hamid came to power though he was sincere and tried his best.
However, Turkish nation will bounce back whether our enemies or traitors like it or not. InshaAllah there is no stopping now, all will see.

 

[Deliorman]

It is not bull$hit, there were lots of traitors all throughout the empire. I don't blame the young Turks though, they are just a product of long term failure over the centuries of complacency. I agree with you the enemies were well equipped as well as having the numbers.
The biggest reason the empire fell which no one recognises yet is that it had a combined population of manpower even smaller than that of the British isles let alone the combined (british) empire and even worse the collective empires of our enemies. I blame the sultans of the previous centuries for not seeing the dangers and their choices in life. It was too late to save the empire when Abdul Hamid came to power though he was sincere and tried his best.
However, Turkish nation will bounce back whether our enemies or traitors like it or not. InshaAllah there is no stopping now, all will see.

You are right with your words too.

Unfortunately the Empire just peaked at one point in the beginning of the 1700s and after that continued to run on the momentum built before that. Unfortunately by the time Europeans were starting to massively industrialize and exploit all the world resources we were starting to decline while holding to our old ways and refusing to see the changing world around us. One of the biggest mistakes was that Turks and Muslims were encouraged to only be warriors and peasants while most of the economic power and trade was given to the hands of the Jewish, Armenian and Greek communities. The bigger taxes the Treasury was getting from the non- Muslims were too sweat I guess but in the long term that killed the empire. If we had a policy from day one to Turkify (Islamify) the whole Empire by all means necessary we could have spared ourselves many problems.

By the time some of our Sultans realized that we need to modernize it was too late unfortunately. We were too far behind, very dependent on Western loans and tech, our population was mostly illiterate and impoverished and all the economy was in the hands of Non- Muslims who were already high on Nationalism and ready to revolt against us. Unfortunately the last decades of the Empire were very tragic and as a Bulgarian Turk I probably know it better than many others.

Turks have been through many much harder challenges than those we have now so I believe that the future is bright as long as we stay united against the foreign threats. Inside our house we might argue and talk loud to each other but when the moment comes and the drums of war start beating we forget it and prepare for fighting the enemy.

Peace.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Dude, you tell very nice fairy tales and with a few words in Arabic you make them sound very nice to the ears and minds who know nothing but let get some things straight.

The Turkish- Italian war for Libya was fought between September 1911 and October 1912. At that time the Sultan was Mehmed V who came to power in 1909 and not Abdulhamit. What notes and billard tables you are talking about I don’t know but at the hight of the war between 100 and 140k Italian soldiers were in Libya- all of whom supplied and using the best weaponry for the time. Their Navy was controlling the whole shore plus much of the Eastern Mediterranean so Turkish ships could neither supply nor fight back.
On the Turkish side you had 8 to 10k Turks plus 15-20k Libyan volunteers at most who were all poorly equipped and supplied. What 7th Army you are talking about when most the Ottoman forces could do was to fight a guerrilla war.

The Empire in its last decades was absolutely ruined and for much of that you can blame your lovely Abdulhamit (and Abdulazis before him) who bankrupted it and basically made it a Western protectorate. That same guy lost half the Empire even before the 1880s- long before many of those Young Turks were even born so spare me your bullshite.

How much land was lost during Sultan Abdul Hamid's time, and what the Young Turks lost???

What Sultan Abdul Hamid achieved, and what the Young Turks achieved????

Six centuries of the Empire was lost in six years of rule by the Young Turks...

If the majority of the Turkish folks had believed in your "fairy tales" - for they lived through the lost decades - Reis Erdo'an's AKP wouldn't have been in power for the last 18 years....

 

[Signalian]

Now, folks understand why Katar has been in a defense gadgets buying spree!! Some of those Rafaels, Eurofighters, Eagles, Apaches, Patriots etc. will be stationed there. Hopefully, ex PAF pilots will join them too....

And, it’s the time to order JF-17s, Al Khalids etc. by tons...

Libya will have the largest and the strongest bases with real Muslim warriors having Iman and Ihlas, not Munafikin/Murtedin etc., that MBS/MBZ/Sisi etc. can’t even dream of...

If GNA will be supported by Turkey and Qatar, then wouldn't LNA be automatically be supported by UAE and possibly KSA and Israel ? I hope Libya wouldn't be becoming a new battlefield with Russia, Germany as well as France throwing in their weaponry, influence and money.