Turkey, Iran defy Iraq’s sovereignty in seemingly coordinated strikes

[925boy]

Why are you talking about "useless sectarianism" when you yourself are always contributing to the sectarianism? Your posts are always filled with low key sectarianism, yes even this one.

aha...you've also caught onto it. He projects and reverses psychology alot. He's complaining about how SUnnis(THE MAJORITY Muslim group) is "appalled" at whats happening In Iraq,Syria, and the world, but has he ever also been "appalled" by ISIS and ISI killing and kidnapping Shia in Iraq? What about when the Al Askari shrine in Iraq was damaged by ISIS that almost started a world Sunni-Shia conflict? What about Shias in Afghanistan and Pakistan that get killed on the REGULAR? if its about sympathy for victims then why is it one directional for this hypocrite? He will attack Indians and Iranians nastily, then in the next post say "Us Pakistanis are the nicest people", and i'm thinking - excluding you!

Iran would never agree to a government Syria that doesn't include Assad and other important officials from his clan.

thats false and shows you dont understand how Iran operates. Iran doesnt give a damn about Assad, Iran care about Iran's interests, in the Levant. If a replacement govt isnt against Iran, Iran will accept them. Also, there is no actual better alternative to Assad, only a hypothetical no name b lank fake position created in Turkey is available to challenge Assad, what a joke. YOur competition against Assad is a hypothetical figure who doesnt exist in reality! so when you come back to reality, you have to accept that for now, if you want Syria to stay as one counrry, you have to let Assad manage Syria as realistically best as possible.

There is no need for unity govt in Syria.

per you right?

If you say so you're suggesting country is divided between the majority and the small Assad clan. Assad clan cannot dominate majority of government and should represent a minority in it.

Problem with htat logic is that you ignore thaat Assad's family obviously knows how to keep the different Syrian sects and alliances together, even though imperfectly. Yo want to bring Afghanistani democracy to Syria? ha ha ...you Arabs cant even do democracy but you preach if for Arab Syria why? because you hate Iran that much? lmao.

Hamas keeps friendship now with Iran mainly because a sanctioned state can't be picky.

or is it because you Muslims like Pakistanis, Saudis, Qataris, Turks dont help Palestinians WHERE IT MATTERS aka active real restistance? i mean dont be a hypocrite please- you dont do crap for Palestinians so SUnni Muslim countries forces their Sunni Palestinian brothers to beg from the Muslim world!

They don't have a choice frankly.

No they dont, because Pakistan not any other major Muslim country didnt offer any to them!! or did you?

It is not only Daesh Khawarij and nonexistent AQ which is fighting Assad.

Non existence AQ? hmm....so you are an AQ denier, because HTS is AQ in Syria. this is interesting..you attack Shia, then claim AQ doesnt exist, then ignore Western actions and proxy-support..such as all the small arms with ISraeli markings found with Extremist Sunni groups in Southern Syria? Why no criticism there? because Assad is not a Muslim right?

There are a myriad of other groups and now most of them have come under Turkish wing. Majority are Syrians.

the key is not whose flag they are under, the key is who is funding and giving them logistics, and its Turkey, why justify militant behaviour only when they are Sunni extremists? Iran is a bastard for renting out Pakistani Shia but Turkey is a good friend for renting out Syrian Sunnis also to fight for Turkey??? i dont understand your double standard Logic. but i know you hate Iran or/and Shia...

Pakistani Shias have excellent relationships with Turks and Arabs, because in many places Pakistanis are afforded respect and hospitality due to our nationality alone.

so?

We are Pakistanis first before Sunni or Shia.

I dont buy that, you're just hiding your true mindset.

Similar to Turkey and Azerbaijan, we support our state most of all,

hm...or whoever pays good $$

and we don't judge others based on their sectarian leanings.

ha ha ....why does no Iranian on PDF believe you on this?

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

aha...you've also caught onto it. He projects and reverses psychology alot. He's complaining about how SUnnis(THE MAJORITY Muslim group) is "appalled" at whats happening In Iraq,Syria, and the world, but has he ever also been "appalled" by ISIS and ISI killing and kidnapping Shia in Iraq? What about when the Al Askari shrine in Iraq was damaged by ISIS that almost started a world Sunni-Shia conflict? What about Shias in Afghanistan and Pakistan that get killed on the REGULAR? if its about sympathy for victims then why is it one directional for this hypocrite? He will attack Indians and Iranians nastily, then in the next post say "Us Pakistanis are the nicest people", and i'm thinking - excluding you!


thats false and shows you dont understand how Iran operates. Iran doesnt give a damn about Assad, Iran care about Iran's interests, in the Levant. If a replacement govt isnt against Iran, Iran will accept them. Also, there is no actual better alternative to Assad, only a hypothetical no name b lank fake position created in Turkey is available to challenge Assad, what a joke. YOur competition against Assad is a hypothetical figure who doesnt exist in reality! so when you come back to reality, you have to accept that for now, if you want Syria to stay as one counrry, you have to let Assad manage Syria as realistically best as possible.

per you right?

Problem with htat logic is that you ignore thaat Assad's family obviously knows how to keep the different Syrian sects and alliances together, even though imperfectly. Yo want to bring Afghanistani democracy to Syria? ha ha ...you Arabs cant even do democracy but you preach if for Arab Syria why? because you hate Iran that much? lmao.


or is it because you Muslims like Pakistanis, Saudis, Qataris, Turks dont help Palestinians WHERE IT MATTERS aka active real restistance? i mean dont be a hypocrite please- you dont do crap for Palestinians so SUnni Muslim countries forces their Sunni Palestinian brothers to beg from the Muslim world!

No they dont, because Pakistan not any other major Muslim country didnt offer any to them!! or did you?



Non existence AQ? hmm....so you are an AQ denier, because HTS is AQ in Syria. this is interesting..you attack Shia, then claim AQ doesnt exist, then ignore Western actions and proxy-support..such as all the small arms with ISraeli markings found with Extremist Sunni groups in Southern Syria? Why no criticism there? because Assad is not a Muslim right?

the key is not whose flag they are under, the key is who is funding and giving them logistics, and its Turkey, why justify militant behaviour only when they are Sunni extremists? Iran is a bastard for renting out Pakistani Shia but Turkey is a good friend for renting out Syrian Sunnis also to fight for Turkey??? i dont understand your double standard Logic. but i know you hate Iran or/and Shia...




so?

I dont buy that, you're just hiding your true mindset.

hm...or whoever pays good $$

ha ha ....why does no Iranian on PDF believe you on this?

Reporting for more lies. I have never supported Daesh khwarij.

Not every Sunni is a terrorist. We don't need Non-Muslims enflaming sectarianism.

 

[Falcon29]

thats false and shows you dont understand how Iran operates. Iran doesnt give a damn about Assad, Iran care about Iran's interests, in the Levant.

Groundbreaking discovery, did not know that. And no, it's you that doesn't understand, Iran not gonna support anything less than Alawite dominated gov't in Syria.

If a replacement govt isnt against Iran, Iran will accept them.

This isn't true and Iran did not behave on such an assumption early in the Syrian revolution.

Also, there is no actual better alternative to Assad, only a hypothetical no name b lank fake position created in Turkey is available to challenge Assad, what a joke.

No one expects you to believe otherwise, considering you are fanatically pro-Iranian.

YOur competition against Assad is a hypothetical figure who doesnt exist in reality!

I'm competing against Assad? When and where?

so when you come back to reality, you have to accept that for now, if you want Syria to stay as one counrry, you have to let Assad manage Syria as realistically best as possible.

I have a different vision for the region than you do, so just leave it at it. I'll leave you to support status quo in Syria.

Problem with htat logic is that you ignore thaat Assad's family obviously knows how to keep the different Syrian sects and alliances together, even though imperfectly.

Assad family was put into power by whom? Since when was anything about keeping 'sects' and 'alliances' together? Last two years? What 'alliances' are you talking about? So now Syrians need you Iran lovers to keep their country together? What's your next manufactured reason to deny them self rule?

Yo want to bring Afghanistani democracy to Syria? ha ha ...you Arabs cant even do democracy but you preach if for Arab Syria why? because you hate Iran that much? lmao.

Iran hates Arabs, and Iran lovers hate Arabs even more. How you expect us to tolerate Iranian interference in regional affairs? Who said anything about Afghanistan? Syrians need gov't of equal representation to end this conflict. Without interference of Iran which does nothing but ignite sectarian tensions in order to take advantage of them later on. Shia's are getting tired of your tricks and Iraq is greatest example of that. They don't need to capitulate to Iran, they can get by just fine balancing relations on all sides.

Reporting for more lies. I have never supported Daesh khwarij.

Not every Sunni is a terrorist. We don't need Non-Muslims enflaming sectarianism.

He is a Nigerian Muslim.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

He is a Nigerian Muslim.

Every time I asked him if he is Muslim, he ignored/derided my post and became obstinate.

Also generally he is opposed to Muslim countries like Turkey and Pakistan, only supporting Iran for some strange reason.

Without interference of Iran which does nothing but ignite sectarian tensions in order to take advantage of them later on. Shia's are getting tired of your tricks and Iraq is greatest example of that. They don't need to capitulate to Iran, they can get by just fine balancing relations on all sides.

This is a very important point. Shia Pakistanis and Shia Azerbaijan have rejected Iran's right to speak for all Shias. Even in Najaf, Iraq, anti-Iranian sentiment is increasing. You even have Shias joining Taliban in Afghanistan like the 1990s.

This is what happens when you merge Persian supremacy with Shia extremism.

Most Shias of the world will much rather support the Sunni countries in which they live than Iranian proxy wars.

 

[Falcon29]

Every time I asked him if he is Muslim, he ignored/derided my post and became obstinate.

Also generally he is opposed to Muslim countries like Turkey and Pakistan, only supporting Iran for some strange reason.

He is a Nigerian Shia Muslim who supports Iran so its self explanatory. I think he has a right to be upset at Sunni extremist militants but he shouldn't satisfy his grudge by supporting and enabling Iranian sectarian agenda either.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

He is a Nigerian Shia Muslim who supports Iran so its self explanatory. I think he has a right to be upset at Sunni extremist militants but he shouldn't satisfy his grudge by supporting and enabling Iranian sectarian agenda either.

There are Shias in Nigeria? That is news to me.

I know there are Ahmadiyyas in West Africa. I wonder if he is one of those. Would explain his rabid anti-Pakistanism.

 

[Falcon29]

There are Shias in Nigeria? That is news to me.

I know there are Ahmadiyyas in West Africa. I wonder if he is one of those. Would explain his rabid anti-Pakistanism.

There is nothing wrong with Shia to be honest, we have difference of religious opinion but that doesn't prevent us from coexisting. There are lots of difference between Sunni and Shia circles as well. Not surprising considering there are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world.

There are Shia's in Nigeria and recently Iran has been trying to connect with them for economic, cultural, political and security interests.

I'd say he is anti-Pakistan as he sees Iran as overtaking Pakistan the day it develops nuclear weapons. And Pakistan is competition for Iranian regime too. For same reason they are anti-Turkey and anti-Arab on this forum. All because of interests and urge to dominate.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

@El Sidd What do you think about our Nigerian guest?

There is nothing wrong with Shia to be honest, we have difference of religious opinion but that doesn't prevent us from coexisting. There are lots of difference between Sunni and Shia circles as well. Not surprising considering there are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world.

There are Shia's in Nigeria and recently Iran has been trying to connect with them for economic, cultural, political and security interests.

Quite interesting. I will have to ask my Nigerian friends about this.

But why is this guy anti-Pakistan and anti-Turkey? It makes no sense.

 

[Falcon29]

@El Sidd What do you think about our Nigerian guest?



Quite interesting. I will have to ask my Nigerian friends about this.

But why is this guy anti-Pakistan and anti-Turkey? It makes no sense.

Check my previous post, I edited it in my educated guess.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I'd say he is anti-Pakistan as he sees Iran as overtaking Pakistan the day it develops nuclear weapons. And Pakistan is competition for Iranian regime too. For same reason they are anti-Turkey and anti-Arab on this forum. All because of interests and urge to dominate.

They are just encircling themselves. Terrible policy, but then again it was the policy of Safavi and Fatimi empires too.

We may be against Iranian policy but I think Pakistan is fairly moderate in this. Now Afghans really hate Iranians, there is a mixture of sectarian animosities, historical rivalry, and racial hatred on both sides.

With a friendly Taliban government in Afghanistan, Pakistan is going to do everything to make sure it stays in power. We are not letting the past decade of Indian, Iranian backed government and subsequent terrorism come back in Kabul.

 

[Falcon29]

They are just encircling themselves. Terrible policy, but then again it was the policy of Safavi and Fatimi empires too.

We may be against Iranian policy but I think Pakistan is fairly moderate in this. Now Afghans really hate Iranians, there is a mixture of sectarian animosities, historical rivalry, and racial hatred on both sides.

With a friendly Taliban government in Afghanistan, Pakistan is going to do everything to make sure it stays in power. We are not letting the past decade of Indian, Iranian backed government and subsequent terrorism come back in Kabul.

If Iran gained influence in Afghanistan it's gonna be none other than to weaken and threaten Pakistan. They have nothing against India but they would love to threaten Pakistan due to their sectarian hatred. You can see how they demean Pakistan on this forum by suggesting Pakistani's are slaves of US/NATO and Saudi Arabia. Or that Pakistan doesn't have independent economy, or Pakistan can't develop weapons like them and Pakistan has no soft power, etc.... Their smearing and demeaning is cultural warfare and Pakistani's need to see it for what it is. They do it against Turkey and Arab nations to pave way for trying to bring them down.

If it wasn't for Pakistan's tough people,experienced army, nuclear weapons and large population they would be doing a lot in Afghanistan and trying to destabilize Pakistan itself. In Syria they had no problem getting tough with Turkey behind Russian cover but they still at the end had to accept Turkey as a force to be reckoned with.

They aren't gonna do anything against Israel, US or India. Not that I want or expect them to, I don't. But they need to stop the rhetoric about being champions for Muslims and resisting US/Israel. They have lots of money, effort and weapons when it comes to destabilizing Muslim nations like Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, UAE and so on but zero when it comes to US or Israel or India. Nevertheless they gonna try to pretend to care about Kashmiri's by doing some sweet talk on the forum to convince people otherwise.

I don't know why Iranian regime is this way and I don't see how anything other than regime change or united Muslim nations gonna stop it. Otherwise I'm sure we are all friendly to Iranian people and appreciate their culture, country and innovation.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

If Iran gained influence in Afghanistan it's gonna be none other than to weaken and threaten Pakistan. They have nothing against India but they would love to threaten Pakistan due to their sectarian hatred. You can see how they demean Pakistan on this forum by suggesting Pakistani's are slaves of US/NATO and Saudi Arabia. Or that Pakistan doesn't have independent economy, or Pakistan can't develop weapons like them and Pakistan has no soft power, etc.... Their smearing and demeaning is cultural warfare and Pakistani's need to see it for what it is. They do it against Turkey and Arab nations to pave way for trying to bring them down.

If it wasn't for Pakistan's tough people,experienced army, nuclear weapons and large population they would be doing a lot in Afghanistan and trying to destabilize Pakistan itself. In Syria they had no problem getting tough with Turkey behind Russian cover but they still at the end had to accept Turkey as a force to be reckoned with.

They aren't gonna do anything against Israel, US or India. Not that I want or expect them to, I don't. But they need to stop the rhetoric about being champions for Muslims and resisting US/Israel. They have lots of money, effort and weapons when it comes to destabilizing Muslim nations like Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, UAE and so on but zero when it comes to US or Israel or India. Nevertheless they gonna try to pretend to care about Kashmiri's by doing some sweet talk on the forum to convince people otherwise.

I don't know why Iranian regime is this way and I don't see how anything other than regime change or united Muslim nations gonna stop it. Otherwise I'm sure we are all friendly to Iranian people and appreciate their culture, country and innovation.

Great post brother. Yes, we are waking up. I told you earlier about Shias of Pakistan rejecting Iranian proxy terrorism. Iranian agents tried to kill our Mufti Taqi Usmani, who is respected in both Afghanistan and Pakistan as the premier Islamic scholar of our region.

They tried to promote a Shia proxy in KP through Parachinar, the only Shia Pukhtoon tribe, but were hit hard by rival Pukhtoon tribes on the Afghan Pakistan border and the Pakistan intelligence.

Iran has no more proxies in Afghanistan and Pakistan left. We have bled them out and finished them.

With Turkey in Syria and changes in Iraq, their little stint as a proxy power is wrapping up. They will go back to being pragmatic and pretend to be ally of other Muslim states.

Their izzat is gone now among Muslim countries forever though.

 

[Aramagedon]

Great post brother. Yes, we are waking up. I told you earlier about Shias of Pakistan rejecting Iranian proxy terrorism. Iranian agents tried to kill our Mufti Taqi Usmani, who is respected in both Afghanistan and Pakistan as the premier Islamic scholar of our region.

They tried to promote a Shia proxy in KP through Parachinar, the only Shia Pukhtoon tribe, but were hit hard by rival Pukhtoon tribes on the Afghan Pakistan border and the Pakistan intelligence.

Iran has no more proxies in Afghanistan and Pakistan left. We have bled them out and finished them.

With Turkey in Syria and changes in Iraq, their little stint as a proxy power is wrapping up. They will go back to being pragmatic and pretend to be ally of other Muslim states.

Their izzat is gone now among Muslim countries forever though.

You made taliban, why our izzat is gone?

 

[QWECXZ]

Doesn't like Muslims but supports Iranian regime which claim to be best Muslims.

Shows you that deep down everyone knows Iranian regime is anti-Muslim/anti-Islam pro-Persian nationalism one.

What a fool. No wonder that Israel thinks you guys are a joke.

I support the Iranian regime because I am Iranian and the fate of Iran is currently linked to its regime, idiot. Unlike Palestine that has no identity and it has been occupied for 7 decades, and will soon get wiped off the map except for the Gaza Strip, Iran has an identity that precedes Islam. I am not a Muslim fool like you who believes in an Islamic empire and your service to God nonsense. lol I will spit on a religious empire in any form.

 

[Aramagedon]

Nigerians American friend.

There are too many sectarian people on this forum.

Nor Shias or Syrians or Iran need your help.

Wise people know that Iran is doing correct job fighting against ISIS Nusra and other jihadi beasts.

Let these few Pakistanis think whatever they wish.

aha...you've also caught onto it. He projects and reverses psychology alot. He's complaining about how SUnnis(THE MAJORITY Muslim group) is "appalled" at whats happening In Iraq,Syria, and the world, but has he ever also been "appalled" by ISIS and ISI killing and kidnapping Shia in Iraq? What about when the Al Askari shrine in Iraq was damaged by ISIS that almost started a world Sunni-Shia conflict? What about Shias in Afghanistan and Pakistan that get killed on the REGULAR? if its about sympathy for victims then why is it one directional for this hypocrite? He will attack Indians and Iranians nastily, then in the next post say "Us Pakistanis are the nicest people", and i'm thinking - excluding you!


thats false and shows you dont understand how Iran operates. Iran doesnt give a damn about Assad, Iran care about Iran's interests, in the Levant. If a replacement govt isnt against Iran, Iran will accept them. Also, there is no actual better alternative to Assad, only a hypothetical no name b lank fake position created in Turkey is available to challenge Assad, what a joke. YOur competition against Assad is a hypothetical figure who doesnt exist in reality! so when you come back to reality, you have to accept that for now, if you want Syria to stay as one counrry, you have to let Assad manage Syria as realistically best as possible.

per you right?

Problem with htat logic is that you ignore thaat Assad's family obviously knows how to keep the different Syrian sects and alliances together, even though imperfectly. Yo want to bring Afghanistani democracy to Syria? ha ha ...you Arabs cant even do democracy but you preach if for Arab Syria why? because you hate Iran that much? lmao.


or is it because you Muslims like Pakistanis, Saudis, Qataris, Turks dont help Palestinians WHERE IT MATTERS aka active real restistance? i mean dont be a hypocrite please- you dont do crap for Palestinians so SUnni Muslim countries forces their Sunni Palestinian brothers to beg from the Muslim world!

No they dont, because Pakistan not any other major Muslim country didnt offer any to them!! or did you?



Non existence AQ? hmm....so you are an AQ denier, because HTS is AQ in Syria. this is interesting..you attack Shia, then claim AQ doesnt exist, then ignore Western actions and proxy-support..such as all the small arms with ISraeli markings found with Extremist Sunni groups in Southern Syria? Why no criticism there? because Assad is not a Muslim right?

the key is not whose flag they are under, the key is who is funding and giving them logistics, and its Turkey, why justify militant behaviour only when they are Sunni extremists? Iran is a bastard for renting out Pakistani Shia but Turkey is a good friend for renting out Syrian Sunnis also to fight for Turkey??? i dont understand your double standard Logic. but i know you hate Iran or/and Shia...




so?

I dont buy that, you're just hiding your true mindset.

hm...or whoever pays good $$

ha ha ....why does no Iranian on PDF believe you on this?