Turkey hopes to conclude a major defense deal with Saudi Arabia

[Saif al-Arab]

Its visa versa, neither did Turks receive help from Arabs when they needed it the most, everybody is looking for his own interests which is fine.
I for exsample am against being enemy with Israel for emotional reasons, thank god the goverment backed from this mistake which hurt us more than helped in any way.

Which is my exact point. Something that should have been very clear in the context of this thread and my previous posts and what I replied to. Some however took it personally and began to write absurd nonsense.

Leaders should run countries as businesses not as charity. For us (KSA) it makes no sense to change the supplier (with nothing changing) when the end goal is to implement the visions in Saudi Vision 2030. It could have been Turkey, Papua New Guinea or UAE for that matter hypothetically speaking. To begin with KSA/GCC has cordial/close business ties with Turkey already so we don't have to win any new grounds here. Same with the West. It's nothing personal but I am not fooled by this "Muslim card" being played by some (blindly) as this is not how the world functions. Or the "evil West" card either as some tried but failed to play in this thread.

If we can work together as Muslims and regional countries in order to solve some of the shared challenges then this would be great/is great news but everything must be analyzed critically. This is what I mean with "Muslim card". For instance one user wrote, in this thread, that Turkey would support Arabs fighting a war (unlike the West) but this has not been proven yet and the same West has actually supported us on numerous occasions. Case in point Yemen currently. So this is the kind of rhetoric that I am an opponent of.

To tell you honestly if Benin could offer much more than a fellow Arab or Muslim country I would (nor any other sane person let alone decision makers ruling countries) not hesitate to pick them. Similarly I would not pick options blindly just because there is a label attached to them (Arab, Muslim, regional country etc.).

KSA has done enough of charity. It's time to act more pragmatic and do what must be done irrespective of partners and if others (outsiders) take this policy as a personal insult then we should not care. You can't make everyone happy anyway and the end goal is the most important thing as long as that end goal is pursue in a lawful/peaceful manner which it would in this case.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

@Sharif al-Hijaz

Turkey is by far the most loved country in the islamic and arab world. The reason muslims love ksa is because of the holy mekkah and medina and nothing else

The most beloved land for the 500 million Arabs is without a doubt Arabia and the most revered land by 1.7 billion Muslims is Arabia as well which is self-explanatory. There is no comparison really but you are welcome to think otherwise.

Also don't speak on the behalf of Arabs as a foreigner. No Arabs take such people seriously. I am sure no Turks would take foreigners speaking on your behalf seriously either.

 

[GOLDENEAGLE1]

The most beloved land for the 500 million Arabs is without a doubt Arabia and the most revered land by most Muslims is Arabia as well.

Well it is not your rolays or kingdom which are loved thats for sure. It is holy mekkah and medina. Elhamdulilah we are servants of the holy mekkah and medina don't you worry no bad intentions but be objective if there was an election in every arab country our President would win 90% of them.

 

[-SINAN-]

Instead of Saudi Arabia i think, we should mend ties with Iran.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Well it is not your rolays or kingdom which are loved thats for sure. It is holy mekkah and medina. Elhamdulilah we are servants of the holy mekkah and medina don't you worry no bad intentions but be objective if there was an election in every arab country our President would win 90% of them.

Nobody has mentioned any current leaders as they are all trash by large including your beloved Erdogan. Because most people do not like hypocrites or populists. Ask the rebels in Aleppo how much they love Erdogan. The Arab world is the home of the oldest dynasties and rulers in history and has been the home of 1000's upon 1000's of Arab and non-Arab dynasties.

Yes, I am sure that your Erdogan (what has he done exactly in the Muslim world other than being a hypocrite and populist?) is more beloved than Prophet Muhammad (saws), Sahabah, Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid, Fatimid, the most famous Muslim theologians and historical leaders etc. You think that Islamic history began 400 years ago when the Ottomans stole the Caliphate?

Well, I will let you live in your fantasy world. After all that fantasy is so absurd that you believe that most Arabs prefer Turkey over their own lands and people. PDF never lacked idiots so this is not surprising.

Instead of Saudi Arabia i think, we should mend ties with Iran.

Who stops you? We won't care, trust me.

 

[GOLDENEAGLE1]

@Sharif al-Hijaz

Arent you the same arrogant wahhabi sheytan called Saifalarab?

Dude the common arab people hate their leaders and governments with a passion especially your backward tribal rulers.

Nothing like our beloved President he is loved by the masses, from somalia to indonesia untill yemen he is probably the most loved our century

Yes, I am sure that your Erdogan (what has he done exactly in the Muslim world other than being a hypocrite and populist?) is more beloved than Prophet Muhammad (saws), Sahabah, Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid, Fatimid, the most famous Muslim theologians and historical leaders etc. You think that Islamic history began 400 years ago when the Ottomans stole the Caliphate?

Well, I will let you live in your fantasy world. After all that fantasy is so absurd that you believe that most Arabs prefer Turkey over their own lands and people. PDF never lacked idiots so this is not surprising.



Who stops you? We won't care, trust me.

What a foolish idiot are you, i am speaking in our current times not history how can you compare Holy Prophet a.s with erdogan

And arabs are not superiour without islam an non islamic arab is nothing

If i remember correctly you once claimed to be atheist if so it is strange to pretend as if you cared about religion

 

[Saif al-Arab]

@Sharif al-Hijaz

Arent you the same arrogant wahhabi sheytan called Saifalarab?

Dude the common arab people hate their leaders and governments with a passion especially your backward wahhabi sheytan tribal rulers.

Nothing like our beloved President he is loved by the masses, from somalia to indonesia untill yemen he is probably the most loved our century

First of all stop taking about Arabs as a non-Arab. I don't take the opinions of non-Arabs seriously when they talk about my people and our lands. No Arab takes such people seriously. You can tag any Arab user here.

You can keep living in your fantasy world where hypocrites and populists such as Erdogan rule supreme.

Lastly what did you not understand about "must Muslim leaders being trash"? You think that people want to exchange bad leaders with slightly better leaders?

Your "Wahhabi" nonsense does not work with me. However I never knew that your likes would join hands with the Mullah's using similar rhetoric. For your information Islam itself and all its sects (Sufism included) originates in modern-day KSA (Arabia as a whole) and people in modern-day KSA also follow all the known sects in the Islamic world (with the exception of Ibadism) indigenously be they Sunni Shafi'i's, Malikis, Hanafis, Hanbalis, Sufis, Shia Twelvers, Zaydis or Ismailis.

Anyway you are a Kemalist. Time to pay that tomb a visit.

@Sharif al-Hijaz

Arent you the same arrogant wahhabi sheytan called Saifalarab?

Dude the common arab people hate their leaders and governments with a passion especially your backward tribal rulers.

Nothing like our beloved President he is loved by the masses, from somalia to indonesia untill yemen he is probably the most loved our century




What a foolish idiot are you, i am speaking in our current times not history how can you compare Holy Prophet a.s with erdogan

And arabs are not superiour without islam an non islamic arab is nothing

If i remember correctly you once claimed to be atheist if so it is strange to pretend as if you cared about religion

Then stop talking about nonsense such as who is more popular and who is not or speak on the behalf of people (Arabs) that you have nothing to do with. So far only two butthurt Turkish users have acted this way in this thread because a few of us here spoke the truth. I am just countering your rhetoric with makes you lose your mind. You think that we care about such blabbering? What I wrote is the ground reality. Nothing about being superior. I leave that to you Kemalists and deluded Ottomanists who think that Islamic history began 400 years ago. I rarely see such sense of entitlement in any other community. Or the audacity to write nonsense about Arabs while having absolutely no clue about anything. A person from Iceland or Papua New Guinea might as well have written similar nonsense.

Yes, I am a Wahhabi Atheist just like your beloved Erdogan is. The Georgian populist who dreams about Arab land in Iraq and Syria.

 

[GOLDENEAGLE1]

The common man in the arab world doesnt share your opinions about turkey nor about your rulers you are probably one of those elites of the ksa you are well fed with big belly ofc you're happy like a pig

But the masses will remove you soon

Erdogan is looking after 3 million arabs provides them with free healthcare, education and foodsupplies

Aleppo is already defacto turkish province allepo is ours so is mosul and kirkuk

 

[The SC]

Its visa versa, neither did Turks receive help from Arabs when they needed it the most, everybody is looking for his own interests which is fine.
I for exsample am against being enemy with Israel for emotional reasons, thank god the goverment backed from this mistake which hurt us more than helped in any way.
Its a simple fact that a possible gas pipeline from Israel will help Turkey way more than brownie points from Arabs, even Erdogan who likes to play the religion card got it.

Actually president Erdogan does not play the religious card, he is most lucid to the facts and more rational and pragmatic than one might think..

Turkey has become a global market exporter to America, France, Britain, and many western and eastern countries, It has a share for parts manufacturing for the F-35 fighter and have been accredited to maintain and modernize all F-35 fighter jets used by European countries and surrounding countries except Israel. This is only an example of the trust of America and Western countries in Turkey.

Its military products are not in the hundreds, but in the thousands.

Why not take the UAE military manufacturing model, which we all boast of as an example? How much of the science of manufacturing was transferred to the emirates from Turkey? From rocket launchers Borkan to armored vehicles and many other technologies..

The UAE, despite its total political distance with Turkey, has decided to boost its military relationship with Turkey, and now it has begun to reap the fruits of its efforts. Why should this be forbidden to KSA in its most beautiful and close political relations with Turkey?

Why did not the UAE cut its relations with Turkey and turn to another country instead? Especially since global markets are more open to the UAE than Saudi Arabia? No one knows specifically, but we can conclude that cooperation with the Turks is the best option we have now..

Finally, when someone comes to teach you all the sciences of his craft that he has learned through many years of studies and experiences, be thankful and do not defame him and slander him. I will answer this false statement before anyone comes to me. "If the question was about money and Finances, China, America, Russia, Japan and other countries would have fought between them to bring their technologies to KSA; But the issue is the political will of the highest authority of (a Government) the Turkish government, namely, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has shown this will..

An example of this is the Somoum project that was started with Swedish industrial companies, when the heads of their government were informed of the project, it was cancelled!

Another example is Sweden who has offered to transfer the Gripen NG and GaN technology to India and did not offer it to any Arab country knowing that they will not disdain such an offer ..

Take this as a rule, the transfer of technology from countries in the right way always comes by political decision..

Where do we have a state that supports us by political decision to participate in the manufacture of tanks, armored vehicles, fifth-generation aircraft, helicopters, radars, anti-tank missiles, warships, etc. and do not extort or pressure us if we use the weapons in our wars under the pretext of human rights? Such as Britain and America ... etc? There is Turkey and only Turkey!

The transfer of technologies and participation in military industries with other countries is more than just a deal. It is a long and long-term relationship, and this must be seen and analysed in all aspects to find the best option available.

Today there are a few other countries that offer ToT to KSA and the Arabs in general, but not at the level of Turkey, still their contributions are recommendable..

This is the plain truth..and the Arabs provide the finances, some technological help, relations and a strategic alliance to Turkey, which knows that by helping Some Arab states it will reap more fruits from their innovations and advancements in the future.. So it is a win/win situation spread on short, medium and long term benefits for both sides..

 

[Saif al-Arab]

The common man in the arab world doesnt share your opinions about turkey nor about your rulers you are probably one of those elites of the ksa you are well fed with big belly ofc you're happy like a pig

But the masses will remove you soon

Erdogan is looking after 3 million arabs provides them with free healthcare, education and foodsupplies

Aleppo is already defacto turkish province allepo is ours so is mosul and kirkuk

@TheCamelGuy you are right. I tried to give such deluded individuals the benefit of the doubt but there is no longer any sense to ignore the ground reality.

Anyway keep living in your fantasy world and try not to lose your mind more than you already lost it in this thread.

Also there is a bigger chance of Kurds conquering half of Turkey than Erdogan ruling anything in the Arab world. I can assure you of that.

You "control" Aleppo and Kirkuk (LOL). That's news to me. I guess those 3 million Syrians control Turkey then?

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

Well... um...

Can't we all just be friends? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[GOLDENEAGLE1]

@Sharif al-Hijaz

First of all i am off Turkish Arab descent and let me be clear i believe the mullahs are much much worse then you.

Both of you backwards are bad for the arab and islamic world

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Well... um...

Can't we all just be friends? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

No friendship with his likes.

@Sharif al-Hijaz

First of all i am off Turkish Arab descent and let me be clear i believe the mullahs are much much worse then you.

Both of you backwards are bad for the arab and islamic world

Yes, and I am a Martian. I know your likes. You cannot fool me. You exposed yourself earlier today. Your likes no longer succeed in manipulating religious Arabs this way. Most of our religious lot understand what your likes want to create. Same agenda/mentality as the Mullah's. Just wearing a different cap.

I do not care what you prefer or who you like. You exposed yourself earlier today and that is all that matters. Sane Arabs will understand what I am alluding to.

 

[GOLDENEAGLE1]

@TheCamelGuy you are right. I tried to give such deluded individuals the benefit of the doubt but there is no longer any sense to ignore the ground reality.

Anyway keep living in your fantasy world and try not to lose your mind more than you already lost it in this thread.

Also there is a bigger chance of Kurds conquering half of Turkey than Erdogan ruling anything in the Arab world. I can assure you of that.

You "control" Aleppo and Kirkuk (LOL). That's news to me. I guess those 3 million Syrians control Turkey then?

Well in the end of the day it all comes down to economy and military might which both in the coming decades turkey will become very powerful to say the least.

When our gdp reachs 2 trillion usd that is the time when the map will be redrawn.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Well in the end of the day it all comes down to economy and military might which both in the coming decades turkey will become very powerful to say the least.

When our gdp reachs 2 trillion usd that is the time when the map will be redrawn.

I wish you good luck against the Arab world which is almost 20 times bigger than Turkey, 6.5 times more populous, many more times richer in terms of resources, having a GDP (nominal) 5.5 times bigger and a region with much more potential on all fronts.

As per all surveys Turkey's economy will be barely bigger than KSA's by 2050 (the economy of the GCC is almost 3 times bigger alone) and you want to compete with the entire Arab world and dreaming about stealing land from Iraq and Syria countries whose populations (Iraq's especially) will rival yours in a few decades and countries that you cannot succeed stealing land from even when they are at their worst as today?

Anyway thanks for confirming that your likes are similar to the Mullah's in this regard. I mean it.

@EgyptianAmerican

Are those the people that we should be "friends" with? If that is the case I prefer enemies over friends. And this guy is moreover apparently of Arab descent. You could not make it up even if you wanted to. What a joke. Maybe our leaders should support the Kurds if his likes will ever attempt to steal Arab land as this cretin openly admitted to. That would be only fair. Let them try and they will be kicked out of Iraq and Syria again.