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Not tommorow, ill be watching Kltischko against Anthony Jashau:-)..

 
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Non-Arabs who know very little about the Arab world, who do not speak Arabic and who have no idea about internal Arab relations should really avoid making such moronic claims that are backed up by nothing (I can claim that Turkey is hated by all Muslims except for Pakistanis, Bosnians and a few others, lol, or that the moon is made up of cheese) and contrary to the reality. Arabs, when they voice disproval/criticism it is always aimed at the leadership never the people, country etc. In short my head began to hurt after reading that butthurt nonsense which has nothing to do with the thread nor the legitimate and necessary discussions that 4-5 Arab users have had in this thread 4 of which are from KSA which this news relates to.

And what I wrote initially is the true.

You are the one who lives in harsh denial. The majority of educated Arabs in the world outside of Saudi Arabia has a predominantly negative view of your country. Even Omanis and Qataris can't stand you. You can constantly claim that I'm wrong but every sane person who is/was in touch with university trained Arabians knows that I am not lying.

You're demanding a non-religious and non-irredentist foreign policy because deep inside you know that everything I wrote is right.
 
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Well in the end of the day it all comes down to economy and military might which both in the coming decades turkey will become very powerful to say the least.

When our gdp reachs 2 trillion usd that is the time when the map will be redrawn.

Actually, Turkey's economy is a joke.
When UAE threatened your Edrogan that if he doesn't stop supporting some political groups like MB, then they will pull out ~ 17 $ billions of their investments in Turkey. Erdogan just sent his FM to AbuDhabi and handed them out the whole Izmir seaport just to keep the UAE leaderships happy.
Your economy is going to struggle so hard in the upcoming years especially if you pissed off the Europeans which your new referendum is the start point to paving the way for such an unpleasant incident to happen.
 
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You are the one who lives in harsh denial. The majority of educated Arabs in the world outside of Saudi Arabia has a predominantly negative view of your country. Even Omanis and Qataris can't stand you. You can constantly claim that I'm wrong but every sane person who is/was in touch with university trained Arabians knows that I am not lying.

You're demanding a non-religious and non-irredentist foreign policy because deep inside you know that everything I wrote is right.

You are a non-Arab and thus I do not blame you for writing nonsense. I repeat no Arab with any self-respect hates KSA (Arabia) let alone its people. Rather the opposite there are deep religious, ancestral, cultural, linguistic and historical ties that for any educated Arab transcends everything regardless of ideology and regardless of him or her having strong opinions or convictions. Egypt has a somewhat similar position in the Arab world.
At must he/she is against the leaders and some policies but this is similar within Saudi Arabians let alone other Arabs. In general there is no Arab country that enjoys as much majority support (overall), influence (for good and bad) and publicity (for good and bad) as KSA. You are a non-Arab with a agenda/views that I suspect are not much different from the false-flagger @Shepherd7 and you clearly became butthurt about my initial correct comment so you started some absurd pissing contest.

You don't want to go that route as you are in no position to even start such a moronic debate.

Also you know perfectly well that Arabs do not take the opinions of non-Arabs, let alone people not form the region, who do not speak Arabic and who have met maybe a few handful Arabs in their lives from a few single countries (most Arabs in Europe are from a few Arabic countries) seriously especially if they make such bombastic and inaccurate claims based on Youtube videos or what not. Nobody is buying this.

I suggest you take a look at the many and existing Arab military forums where Arabs from across the Arab world, diaspora included, are members. Or any other main Arab forums. The criticism among Arabs, if there is any, is always aimed at the regimes regardless of country criticized. The only exception are sectarian people whose barking topped in 2014.

Anyway there is nothing to prove nor do I feel there is any need for this.

Similar to the influence of KSA (Arabia) be it religious, cultural, economic among Arabs and Muslims. No other Muslim nation enjoys this position. This is the reality that the entire (neutral and objective) world knows about and talks about openly. Another example of this influence was the creation of the Islamic Military Alliance. I invite any other Muslim country to create something like this (unprecedented) and see if this will gain as much support.

I am not a huge fan of the House of Saud, any Arab or Muslim regimes (as I have always clearly stated and here in this thread once again) but their influence in the Muslim world and even outside of it nobody can deny. This fact is what bothers certain other people in the region (followers of Erdogan who think that Erdogan's populism and empty rhetoric will gain them millions of blind Arab/Muslim followers in order for Turkey to ultimately conquer Arab territory as that @Shepherd7 false-flagger barked about, closely related Ottomanist as I calm them you think that Islamic history began 400 years ago and that nobody else existed for the previous almost 1000 years) or the other version, the Mullah's who aim at attracting Arab Shia's. At the end it is always the Arab world that is in focus, the heart of the Islamic world. Not a surprise. Those are just facts. Real ones.

Of course I forgot the Zionists and Western imperialists/neocons and usual opportunists from all sides.

Lastly Saudi Arabians can discuss anything among themselves that relates to weapon purchases from ANY country openly without being met with ridiculous nonsense from foreigners or some condescending tone like we owe anybody anything. We the people expect and want to see changes occur as per the Saudi Vision 2030 and we will only be content if we can see this happening regardless of who is willing to help us. If Turkey can help us met our goals then great (as I also wrote very clearly) but if not we can discuss this and reject this as people in favor of other options without being met with butthurt reactions.
 
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You live in europe right? Where are you exactly lets meet and discuss this in person
Yaw, bokunu çıkartmayın, alt tarafı bi forum.....
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Bro, can you lock the thread or something.....gone off topic..now members threaten each other.
 
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You are a non-Arab and thus I do not blame you for writing nonsense. I repeat no Arab with any self-respect hates KSA (Arabia) let alone its people. Rather the opposite there are deep religious, ancestral, cultural, linguistic and historical ties that for any educated Arab transcends everything regardless of ideology and regardless of him or her having strong opinions or convictions. Egypt has a somewhat similar position in the Arab world.
At must he/she is against the leaders and some policies but this is similar within Saudi Arabians let alone other Arabs. In general there is no Arab country that enjoys as much majority support (overall), influence (for good and bad) and publicity (for good and bad) as KSA. You are a non-Arab with a agenda/views that I suspect are not much different from the false-flagger @Shepherd7 and you clearly became butthurt about my initial correct comment so you started some absurd pissing contest.

You don't want to go that route as you are in no position to even start such a moronic debate.

Also you know perfectly well that Arabs do not take the opinions of non-Arabs, let alone people not form the region, who do not speak Arabic and who have met maybe a few handful Arabs in their lives from a few single countries (most Arabs in Europe are from a few Arabic countries) seriously especially if they make such bombastic and inaccurate claims based on Youtube videos or what not. Nobody is buying this.

I suggest you take a look at the many and existing Arab military forums where Arabs from across the Arab world, diaspora included, are members. Or any other main Arab forums. The criticism among Arabs, if there is any, is always aimed at the regimes regardless of country criticized. The only exception are sectarian people whose barking topped in 2014.

I studied at an university with one of the highest percentage of foreign Arab students coming from all over the world. I have Egyptian, Tunisian, Yemeni, Omani, Palestinian, Iraqi, Syrian, Christian and Jewish Arab friends with whom I studied for years. You can fool yourself but you cannot fool me. Live in your bubble but don't cry if it bursts someday and you're left with nothing except your selfishness.
 
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I studied at an university with one of the highest percentage of foreign Arab students coming from all over the world. I have Egyptian, Tunisian, Yemeni, Omani, Palestinian, Iraqi, Syrian, Christian and Jewish Arab friends with whom I studied for years. You can fool yourself but you cannot fool me. Live in your bubble but don't cry if it burst someday and you're left with nothing except your selfishness.

Why is something telling me that what you just wrote is a lie? Even if we assume that you are correct and you indeed know so many Arabs from so many different Arab countries and all of those Arabs you have discussed politics with in depth (about KSA in particular - what a coincidence) and that moreover in English (which is hard for many Arabs to discuss such topics in) those at most 10 people are nowhere representatives of 500 million Arabs let alone their numbers even being compared to what is the ground reality (which I described to you) and which any Arabic speaker can confirm by simply visiting main Arabic political forums, military forums etc each single day.

Also ignoring all the aspects that I touched (correctly) upon only shows me that what I alluded to was/is correct.

Actually, Turkey's economy is a joke.
When UAE threatened your Edrogan that if he doesn't stop supporting some political groups like MB, then they will pull out ~ 17 $ billions of their investments in Turkey. Erdogan just sent his FM to AbuDhabi and handed them out the whole Izmir seaport just to keep the UAE leaderships happy.
Your economy is going to struggle so hard in the upcoming years especially if you pissed off the Europeans which your new referendum is the start point to paving the way for such an unpleasant incident to happen.

Bro you/we should not attack Turkey due to 1-2 Turkish trolls who started this discussion to begin with (including the measuring contest) and whose goals/agenda is obvious for everyone.

GCC/Turkey has cordial ties and growing business ties but we cannot afford to blindly follow anybody and I am sure that the Turkish leadership is also wary the other way around. This is what should be the case. However obviously there are lines that you should not cross if you want to be taken seriously or want us to look at you as friends or potential allies. That line was crossed in this thread a few times so they should not wonder why the reactions are as they are.

Trolling aside, we have TONS of other priorities and there are other outside forces to deal with. Erdogan/Turkey do not pose any threat. To me what is going on in Palestine (West Bank) with constant new settlements and Syria/Yemen/Iraq takes almost all of my attention. What some false-flagger troll has of daydreams (ridiculous and ridiculed even among the pro-Erdogan Arab lot!) is irrelevant. In any case he was proven as a false-flagger as you saw. But it does not matter, what I wrote (I am not going to attack anyone over some forum) was a reply to his nonsense and as you know I never/hardly ever (you really have to piss me off) for me to mean this. I just have a tendency to reply in a fashion that my opponents will understand. But as I said there are certain lines that you don't cross if you want to be taken seriously/not looked at as an enemy. Once you cross that line you do not cry about being viewed differently. This is a forum. That guy could be some Israeli/Iranian troll as I said. Or I don't know what. It is irrelevant but we assume that he is what he claims he is (flags).
 
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Bro you/we should not attack Turkey due to 1-2 Turkish trolls who started this discussion to begin with (including the measuring contest) and whose goals/agenda is obvious for everyone.

GCC/Turkey has cordial ties and growing business ties but we cannot afford to blindly follow anybody and I am sure that the Turkish leadership is also wary the other way around. This is what should be the case. However obviously there are lines that you should not cross if you want to be taken seriously or want us to look at you as friends or potential allies. That line was crossed in this thread a few times so they should not wonder why the reactions are as they are.
True. Sanity must preserve in both sides, positive outcome relations are vital for our region
 
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Actually, Turkey's economy is a joke.
When UAE threatened your Edrogan that if he doesn't stop supporting some political groups like MB, then they will pull out ~ 17 $ billions of their investments in Turkey. Erdogan just sent his FM to AbuDhabi and handed them out the whole Izmir seaport just to keep the UAE leaderships happy.
Your economy is going to struggle so hard in the upcoming years especially if you pissed off the Europeans which your new referendum is the start point to paving the way for such an unpleasant incident to happen.


Why are you so jealous, atleast we have a real economy and arabs just selling oil that's not a real economy

You produce nothing when the oil runs out your civilization will collapse and you will return to the deserts to live in tents

You can't even dream of having an industry and economy like turkey no arab country comes even close but lets say turkish economy is a joke compared developped countries in this case what does that make yours it must be even worse then my shet :lol:
 
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Hey guys.. Sorry to burst the bubble guys, but seriously man I have the feeling that some Turkish guys on this thread, especially the shepherd guy, think that Turkey is some kind of super power ???
I live in the Netherlands and I grew up with a lot of Turkish people around me.. I can explain this 'Oh look at us, we are the best' behaviour.. Turkish people are very nationalistic people, very pride people as well. It doesnt necessarily have to be a bad thing, but it can go too far. I am a Moroccan living in the Netherlands and as a non-saudi and non-turkey I can tell u the following:
-Turkey is regarded as a strong, nice and important country in the islamic world.
-Saudi Arabia is regarded as a rich and by far the most important country in the islamic world.

Why? Every muslim would take arms and go and defend the holy sites in Saudi Arabia. If Saudi Arabia would come under attack, be it Israel or Iran or United Stated or whoever is the aggressor, no muslim would be a muslim if he allows it to happen. Even Turkish people would fight and die for it.

Tbh I dont understand ur quarrel, this deal, if it happens, is good for both countries. Turkey has the technological capabilities and Saudi Arabia has the resources. Dont forget that all islamic countries combined are a huge potential market. I just hope all muslim countries will unite, cooperate and create stronger military industries among them.. So that we will once stand as strong and proud as we once stood.
 
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True. Sanity must preserve in both sides, positive outcome relations are vital for our region

I am all for close mutually beneficial cooperation with Turks and the Arab world as we are neighbors and share many things in common. My problem is with how a few Turks (I do not know which percentage of Turks have such views as I rather not make empty bombastic claims as a foreigner unlike a certain other user in this thread) view the immediate Arab neighborhood (Syria and Iraq) in particular. Talk about annexing/conquering Arab land will obviously be met with great hostility from the Arab world and would not gain Turkey any friends. I am sure that most intelligent Turks are well aware of this. Such a relationship cannot be healthy either. Imagine (we are talking about unrealistic examples as are the talk of Turkey annexing Mosul, Aleppo etc. and what not currently) if Arab users here were openly talking on the behalf of Turks, talking about how they would love to reconquer Hatay, most of Southeastern Turkey because this was once controlled by various Arab dynasties/caliphates (Umayyad, Abbasid etc.) and because Turkish Arabs live in those regions today. That would obviously be met with great hostility.

Similarly supporters of Erdogan/Ottoman revivalists will not gain any fans in the Arab world if they attempt to recreate the Ottoman Empire similar to how Arabs would gain no friends among foreigners if we started/tried to recreate the Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid, Famitid etc. empires and laid claim on half of what is modern-day Turkey etc. This age of conquest is long gone. World superpowers such as US/Coalition had difficulties controlling Iraq (losing many more men than in Afghanistan) and here some of us (on both sides not in this thread but there are indeed similar Arabs as that person) are dreaming about unrealistic ideas. Of course Persians are no different here. They probably have even greater delusions in this regard. Without a doubt in fact which this forum also confirms.

The Arab-Turkish relationship should be built upon common interests, mutual trusts, historical ties and in general a wish to improve the region. It cannot be based upon superiority and hegemony or other silly ideas that we have had enough of already from outsiders (West and Israel which is the West's extension).

Not only that we Arabs, although we created some of the very largest empires and used to rule the Muslim world (most of it) for almost 1000 years, do not wish to have such rule. Must of us dream about/wish for greater Arab unity and we have already many problems (as do most Muslim countries have to varying degrees and most countries in fact) enough of problems within our own countries.

In short, I rarely see Arab users with such views/rhetoric.

Hopefully you can understand where I am coming from.

Hopefully you will also understand that most of us welcome cooperation with Turkey (military) but we the people do not want to simply exchange one supplier (say the US) with Turkey without getting any benefits from this in the form of ToT or local production as this would go against the Saudi Vision 2030 and its goals that our regime supposedly has said they will work towards and which indeed has been happening on several fronts within the past 1 year.

This became a long post but I wrote it quickly although I could write more and in greater detail.
 
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Why are you so jealous, atleast we have a real economy and arabs just selling oil that's not a real economy

You produce nothing when the oil runs out your civilization will collapse and you will return to the deserts to live in tents

You can't even dream of having an industry and economy like turkey no arab country comes even close and the sad part is turkish economy is indeed a joke compared develloped countries so i agree turkeys economy is ajoke but in this case yours is even worse then my shet :lol:

LOL, so you're not even from Turkey but you still sharing your views here and pretending to be one of them.
Why don't you just use your real shitty country flag instead of using others? don't be shy of who you are.

I'm still wondering what are the MODS doing here on this forum.
 
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Why are you so jealous, atleast we have a real economy and arabs just selling oil that's not a real economy

You produce nothing when the oil runs out your civilization will collapse and you will return to the deserts to live in tents

You can't even dream of having an industry and economy like turkey no arab country comes even close and the sad part is turkish economy is indeed a joke compared develloped countries so i agree turkeys economy is ajoke but in this case yours is even worse then my shet :lol:

So you are not an Arab? Have you given up the facade?

I also hope you realize that infrastructure and population do not disappear when natural resources dry up. I also suggest you realize many Arab countries have,and are starting to move away from oil reliance.

Nonetheless should the oil run out the monarchs have enough money invested to keep going for a long time...

We arabs lasted over 7000 years without oil, we will last another 7000 more without them. No worries.
 
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