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Turkey Has 'Plans B, C, D' to Replace F-35 With Su-57, J-31 if US Blocks Delivery – Report

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The US has threatened to strip Turkey of its participation in the F-35 program, and promised that it would not deliver the advanced new fighter jet to Ankara unless it pulls out of its S-400 air defence system deal with Russia.

Turkey's security bureaucracy is actively considering buying Russian and Chinese made fifth-generation fighter aircraft if the Turkish deal with Washington on the purchase of 100 F-35s falls through, Yeni Safak, one of Turkey's most influential pro-government newspapers, has reported.

According to the outlet, "plans B, C, and D" have already been prepared "in the event that the F-35 project is dumped following the S-400 purchase."

These plans reportedly include the acceleration of the Turkish defence ministry's efforts to develop a homegrown fighter aircraft, talks with Russia about the supply of Sukhoi's new fighter jet design, the Su-57, and consideration of the Shenyang FC-31 (aka the J-31), China's new stealth multirole fighter platform.

"These aircraft stand out with their low cost compared to the F-35, each of which costs approximately $100 million," Yeni Safak noted. Furthermore, "Ankara already thinks that even if the F-35s are delivered, they will create serious security risks for Turkey, as they are directly commanded by the US. Therefore, nobody regrets 'losing' the F-35s," the paper stressed.

Last month, Rostec Corporation reiterated Russia's willingness to explore the possibility of selling the Su-57 to Turkey if Ankara's deal with Washington on the F-35 were to fall through. Earlier this year, an aviation industry source said that the Su-57 has already attained an export permit. In April, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu warned that Ankara would satisfy its need for advanced fighter jets "in another place" if Washington scrapped its commitment to sell Turkey the F-35.

US Acting Defence Secretary Patrick Shanahan has given Turkey until July 31 to back out of its S-400 deal with Russia, warning that Washington would suspend Ankara's involvement in the F-35 program if it goes through with the purchase of the Russian-made air defence system.

Last week, Shanahan sent a letter to Turkish counterpart Hulusi Akar, warning him that although the US seeks "to maintain our valued relationship, Turkey will not receive the F-35 if Turkey takes delivery of the S-400." Earlier, the US threatened Turkey with a series of measures, including sanctions, if it didn't back out of its deal with Moscow.

On Monday, Turkish Defence Industries Directorate chief Ismail Demir confirmed that the United States had not replied to Turkey's proposal to create a joint working group to discuss the threat to US systems allegedly posed by the S-400s, reiterating that the S-400 issue was "closed."

Russia and Turkey signed a $2.5 billion contract for four battalion-sets' worth of S-400s for Ankara in late 2017. Deliveries are expected to start in July.
 
Turkey's security bureaucracy is actively considering buying Russian and Chinese made fifth-generation fighter aircraft if the Turkish deal with Washington on the purchase of 100 F-35s falls through, Yeni Safak, one of Turkey's most influential pro-government newspapers, has reported.

Turkey has every right to do whatever it feels serves its national interests, of course.
 
Turkey has every right to do whatever it feels serves its national interests, of course.
Definitely but that decision doesn't always lead to best decision for the country. With a weaken economy, Turkey has even deeper problem developing or conducting more R&D for its military hardware development. With western tech going to shut off to Turkey.

Turkey military advancement looks very bleak. Russian is in the same situation like Turkey. They couldn't offer any better. India got scammed by Russia 7billion for Su-57 program. I am sure, Turkey is not stupid enough to repeat the mistake.

That left China military as the only option since China military is flushed with deep pocket and huge infrastructure but all thanks to Turkey offending China. That option is also impossible.
 
Definitely but that decision doesn't always lead to best decision for the country. With a weaken economy, Turkey has even deeper problem developing or conducting more R&D for its military hardware development. With western tech going to shut off to Turkey.

Turkey military advancement looks very bleak.

Every decision comes with its pros and cons. It is Turkey's choice.
 
In Turkey it doesn't seem like that. It seems like government has no idea forget plan b c d.
 
Definitely but that decision doesn't always lead to best decision for the country. With a weaken economy, Turkey has even deeper problem developing or conducting more R&D for its military hardware development. With western tech going to shut off to Turkey.

Turkey military advancement looks very bleak. Russian is in the same situation like Turkey. They couldn't offer any better. India got scammed by Russia 7billion for Su-57 program. I am sure, Turkey is not stupid enough to repeat the mistake.

That left China military as the only option since China military is flushed with deep pocket and huge infrastructure but all thanks to Turkey offending China. That option is also impossible.
Turkey only needs the engine, the rest Turkey can produce.
but wait, Chinese also buy the jet engine from Russia..
 
Turkey only needs the engine, the rest Turkey can produce.
but wait, Chinese also buy the jet engine from Russia..
US also buy some British engine. So you mean US cant make engine? Turkey cannot even produced a single modern high thrust turbofan.


and you are so quick to forget what I educate you about Chinese engine yesterday? I will call that selective memory. China is in the same league as US and Russia. 5th gen is not just about engine alone. Do Turkey has necessary facilities to test even a 5th gen fighter? Nope.
 
US also buy some British engine. So you mean US cant make engine? Turkey cannot even produced a single modern high thrust turbofan.


and you are so quick to forget what I educate you about Chinese engine yesterday? I will call that selective memory. China is in the same league as US and Russia. 5th gen is not just about engine alone. Do Turkey has necessary facilities to test even a 5th gen fighter? Nope.
why do you even put the video and talk nonsense?
instead you could answer my simple question.. but hurt)
 
why do you even put the video and talk nonsense?
instead you could answer my simple question.. but hurt)
The video is evidence. The one in denial is you. You cant even differential different type of TVC engine between Russian and Chinese made but try acting as a pro while coming here and try educate me about Chinese can only import Russian engine? I know y

While what evidence has you provided about besides spewing garbage? I back my words while you has nothing to back your statement. Show me an indigenous Turkish engine powering a Turkish jet and I will eat back my words. Or you got nothing to show? So who is the one getting hurt? LOL..

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2018-11-09/thrust-vectoring-j-10-stars-zhuhai

This latest version seen at Zhuhai is equipped with a Chinese-made Woshan (WS)-10B3 engine that includes the TVC module.
 
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The video is evidence. The one in denial is you. You cant even differential different type of TVC engine between Russian and Chinese made but try acting as a pro while coming here and try educate me about Chinese can only import Russian engine? I know y

While what evidence has you provided about besides spewing garbage? I back my words while you has nothing to back your statement. Show me an indigenous Turkish engine powering a Turkish jet and I will eat back my words. Or you got nothing to show? So who is the one getting hurt? LOL..

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2018-11-09/thrust-vectoring-j-10-stars-zhuhai

This latest version seen at Zhuhai is equipped with a Chinese-made Woshan (WS)-10B3 engine that includes the TVC module.
Turkey only needs the engine, the rest Turkey can produce.
but wait, Chinese also buy the jet engine from Russia..

this is exactly what i wrote. who through garbage here? did i say that Turkish produce jet engine?
well Chinese cannot produce either. those videos and your import details tells different thing. Which one would a normal person trust more?)
 
this is exactly what i wrote. who through garbage here? did i say that Turkish produce jet engine?
well Chinese cannot produce either. those videos and your import details tells different thing. Which one would a normal person trust more?)

Another denial. The video is what? Fake or CG? If Chinese cannot produce either then how did the engine took to the skies and perform those moves?

So my statement about your garbage reply stands, understand. You are in self denial. Even with video evidence and hard facts, you still try to avoid the obvious about Turkey impotent in aeronautic engine. I know you are desperate to drag China down, typical cheapshot. Sorry, China is not the same league as Turkey. Turkey is way below China in all areas of military development. That statement must have hurt you badly, I guess....
 
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