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Turkey from sick man of EU to the envy of EU: any lessons for Pakistan ?

Dude what are you talking on this yahoo chatroom! I mean seriously you wills spit lie on this forum? here a slap on your face you extremist here is Salman taseer. i hope you will listen to him clearly and understand it and after this if you still utter lies then Allah help you

if fighting for Islam is extremism than I am Proud to be a extremist and he was defending the blashmer so I am not going to believe in his lies
 
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No sir not yet Tayyab is trying but their are many secular traitors their as as a matter of fact even Pakistan has not implemented Shariat yet we are a muslim country only by name

Sir please get your Facts right.Turkey is progressing because of it being a secular state not despite of.Secularism leads to freedom of thought which leads to innovation in every field science,commerce,healthcare etc.

When the state is linked to any one religon then the freedom of thought,speech is suppresed in the name of that religon.
The religon one follows is a private relationship between the follower and god and not the for the state to decide.

Feel free to disagree
 
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Sir please get your Facts right.Turkey is progressing because of it being a secular state not despite of.Secularism leads to freedom of thought which leads to innovation in every field science,commerce,healthcare etc.

When the state is linked to any one religon then the freedom of thought,speech is suppresed in the name of that religon.
The religon one follows is a private relationship between the follower and god and not the for the state to decide.

Feel free to disagree

sorry Islam cover every thing and it is not a personal matter Islam covers every thing from politics to economy and you whole way of Life and Turkey has made progress under Tayyab Urdgan who is known as Islamist sir get your facts right sir
 
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sorry Islam cover every thing and it is not a personal matter Islam covers every thing from politics to economy and you whole way of Life and Turkey has made progress under Tayyab Urdgan who is known as Islamist sir get your facts right sir

ok lets do it your way.

According to you ,which Nation follows Islam the way it should be followed ? The Nation which you want Pakistan to be like.
 
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ok lets do it your way.

According to you ,which Nation follows Islam the way it should be followed ? The Nation which you want Pakistan to be like.

No nation is following Islam because it doesn't suit the corrupt puppets in the governments
 
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Very first thing, throw out Islamic extremism from the society.If you don't want a secular society then that it is perfectly alright but please have real Islam or I may say 'normal' Islam.Please do not celebrate characters like Mumtaz Qadri (Taseer's killer).
Arrrr.. wrong answer. Erdogan threw away the fascist anti-islam rhetoric if any thing out of Turkey. Any one remembers Adnan Menderes, the last Turkish prime minster to be hanged. Why because he tried to legalize Arabic Language along with allowing mosques to call to prayer, opening mosques closed down by Ataturk and his followers. To this day the economic prosperity enjoyed in his time by Turkey is still unmatched.
Ataturk was a fascist and anti-Islam bigot who wanted to rid Turkey of its Islamic heritage. Turkey was not secular to say the least. Every form of life style was acceptable other then Islamic, not very libertarian or secular I say.
Pakistans main problem is poverty and injustice out of which all forms of extremism arise, saying religious extremism is the only problem is plain stupidity. Its about time the pseudo liberals understand this.

Erdogan has been able to achieve what Adnan Menderes failed to do so, in small increments rather then trying to push for it. In these elections although he had been declined the majority to amend the constitution so that the Armys role out of politics could be legalized. BUT I am hopeful if he continues with his policies soon Turkey will prosper even more.
Again this is not a religious revolution but a pure Turkish change where the society as a whole is accepting each component. There are no zealots involved there but tolerance and empathy.
 
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Arrrr.. wrong answer. Erdogan threw away the fascist anti-islam rhetoric if any thing out of Turkey. Any one remembers Adnan Menderes, the last Turkish prime minster to be hanged. Why because he tried to legalize Arabic Language along with allowing mosques to call to prayer, opening mosques closed down by Ataturk and his followers. To this day the economic prosperity enjoyed in his time by Turkey is still unmatched.
Ataturk was a fascist and anti-Islam bigot who wanted to rid Turkey of its Islamic heritage. Turkey was not secular to say the least. Every form of life style was acceptable other then Islamic, not very libertarian or secular I say.
Pakistans main problem is poverty and injustice out of which all forms of extremism arise, saying religious extremism is the only problem is plain stupidity. Its about time the pseudo liberals understand this.

Erdogan has been able to achieve what Adnan Menderes failed to do so, in small increments rather then trying to push for it. In these elections although he had been declined the majority to amend the constitution so that the Armys role out of politics could be legalized. BUT I am hopeful if he continues with his policies soon Turkey will prosper even more.
Again this is not a religious revolution but a pure Turkish change where the society as a whole is accepting each component. There are no zealots involved there but tolerance and empathy.
you will see the answer very soon what he is up to and where he is taking Turkey towards I have many friends in Turkey and whole Turkey knows He is still a strict Islamist
 
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sorry Islam cover every thing and it is not a personal matter Islam covers every thing from politics to economy and you whole way of Life and Turkey has made progress under Tayyab Urdgan who is known as Islamist sir get your facts right sir
Please define what is an Islamist Sir???? A muslim who try's to follow tenants of Islam is an Islamist or there is some other definition for it, arent you suppose to call him a muslim then.
I have no issues with any state linking itself to any form of religion as long as the those is power does not start to abuse it. It is not necessary that it is always the excuse of religion which can be used to suppress freedoms rather as it is the case in US, national security is being used to suppress the very freedoms they claim to protect. Its is Turkey's evolution rather then revolution, they have found a way to work with the system and change it rather then dismantling it.
 
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you will see the answer very soon what he is up to and where he is taking Turkey towards I have many friends in Turkey and whole Turkey knows He is still a strict Islamist

If your thinking an Islamic Caliphate, keep on dreaming that is not happening there at least. Erdogan is not an idiot who would provide the fascist military of Turkey to use any excuse to topple the government.
 
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No nation is following Islam because it doesn't suit the corrupt puppets in the governments

As per you all the participants of OIC are corrupt puppets of ?? including Iran and Turkey.

Also do you think Taliban were following Islam in their brief rule over Pakistan.
 
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Arrrr.. wrong answer. Erdogan threw away the fascist anti-islam rhetoric if any thing out of Turkey. Any one remembers Adnan Menderes, the last Turkish prime minster to be hanged. Why because he tried to legalize Arabic Language along with allowing mosques to call to prayer, opening mosques closed down by Ataturk and his followers. To this day the economic prosperity enjoyed in his time by Turkey is still unmatched.
Ataturk was a fascist and anti-Islam bigot who wanted to rid Turkey of its Islamic heritage. Turkey was not secular to say the least. Every form of life style was acceptable other then Islamic, not very libertarian or secular I say.
Pakistans main problem is poverty and injustice out of which all forms of extremism arise, saying religious extremism is the only problem is plain stupidity. Its about time the pseudo liberals understand this.

Erdogan has been able to achieve what Adnan Menderes failed to do so, in small increments rather then trying to push for it. In these elections although he had been declined the majority to amend the constitution so that the Armys role out of politics could be legalized. BUT I am hopeful if he continues with his policies soon Turkey will prosper even more.
Again this is not a religious revolution but a pure Turkish change where the society as a whole is accepting each component. There are no zealots involved there but tolerance and empathy.
you will see the answer very soon what he is up to and where he is taking Turkey towards I have many friends in Turkey and whole Turkey knows He is still a strict Islamist
 
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As per you all the participants of OIC are corrupt puppets of ?? including Iran and Turkey.

Also do you think Taliban were following Islam in their brief rule over Pakistan.
Iran is trying but its economy is still based on interest and Turkey slowly getting closer to is but still it is very very far away from being a Islamic State
 
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If your thinking an Islamic Caliphate, keep on dreaming that is not happening there at least. Erdogan is not an idiot who would provide the fascist military of Turkey to use any excuse to topple the government.

Sir that is the exact reason he is going slowly towards Islamic System he is first main focus is to curb the powers of Army and Judiciary and they have succeeded in their efforts a lot
 
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Iran is trying but its economy is still based on interest and Turkey slowly getting closer to is but still it is very very far away from being a Islamic State

So a successful,rich,powerfull Islamic nation is still in theory.All the best.
 
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