Turkey could be considering Pakistani produced JF-17 fighter aircraft

[Ultima Thule]

SOM is lighter and much more stealthier than Ra’ad cruise missile. Will come in handy to disable Indian AD systems and also against their ships. Keep in mind, it’s the only third party approved for the F-35



Speed is not everything. Don’t fall for the Indian none sense. Subsonic stealthy cruise missiles are much better, explains why the most premier cruise missile today the Tomahawk is a subsonic and not a supersonic missile.

but reaction time is too low for ship defense to react merely 5-10 sec

 

[Falcon26]

but reaction time is too low for ship defense to react merely 5-10 sec

The best antiship and landattack cruise missiles are all subsonic. The Tomahawk, Harpoon, SOM & Exocet. If speed was everything, why is India spending so much money and time and repeatedly failing with their subsonic Nirbhay cruise missile program. Going by your logic, there’s no need to spend more time on subsonic missile.

By the time, you are able to locate a good subsonic cruise missile, it’s too late. You will be a roast.

 

[Ultima Thule]

The best antiship and landattack cruise missiles are all subsonic.

used against 3rd rates navies, which dosn't had a proper defense against those missiles, use tomahawk, harpoon, SOM & Exocet against modren navies like RUSSIA, China and you would see the result will be entirely different
26, post: 10051964, member: 174240"]The best antiship and landattack cruise missiles are all subsonic. The Tomahawk, Harpoon, SOM & Exocet. If speed was everything, why is India spending so much money and time and repeatedly failing with their subsonic Nirbhay cruise missile program. Going by your logic, t

subsonic missile have their own advantage sir, they have low IR and radar RCS because flying too close of water (Terrain masking) just 5-7 meter above water, the other way to increase PK (kill probability) to rely on speeds

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Turkey should have partnered up a long time ago. Its a good replacement for the F-4/5s and the TURAF can use & abuse it without restrictions. It also would have greatly improved the overall capabilities of the jet because of Turkish industrial input.

During the July'16 coup attempt F16s under the proxy traitor scum zombie pilots, controlled from the US Injirlik base (Adana, Turkey), took the leading roles. Even mid-air refueling were being arranged for them. Interestingly, FETO traitors didn't penetrate into F-4/5 units, probably considering them outdated. And, those units, which went through considerable indigenous upgrades, saved the day by threatening to conduct bombing runs over traitor F16 bases!!!!!! I hope the Turkish authorities have learnt their lessons!!!!

 

[Mumm-Ra]

SOM uses the best of western technology and perfected by Lockheed Martin. It’s anti-jamming capabilities and ability to operate in dense electronic and air defence theatres must definitely be better than Ra’ad. If it’s good enough for NATO & F-35, then it’s certainly good enough for Pakistan and JF-17

Agreed.

 

[khanmubashir]

May be because Lockheed is closing down f16 assembly line so turkey won't be able to buy new f16 they r gonna acquire f35 but as evident fourth Gen jets would still be used in assistance to stealth planes
Also Pak is work with Chinese to make dual seat version which is the model turkey may think of acquiring as advance jet trainer

 

[Vijyes Yechury]

SOM is lighter and much more stealthier than Ra’ad cruise missile. Will come in handy to disable Indian AD systems and also against their ships. Keep in mind, it’s the only third party approved for the F-35



Speed is not everything. Don’t fall for the Indian none sense. Subsonic stealthy cruise missiles are much better, explains why the most premier cruise missile today the Tomahawk is a subsonic and not a supersonic missile.

Speed is important. In 1971 war, Pakistan learnt that slow anti ship missiles can be intercepted with heavy machine gun fire. So, the fascination with high speed missile exists in India.

If the missile is travelling at 0.6mach (200m/s or 700kmph), people can spot it in open seas and launch heavy machine gun fire with 1000s of rounds per minute in that direction and destroy it. Even CIWS like AK630 exist for the same reason. But, if the speed in 3Mach (1km/s), it is not possible to intercept with such cheap tricks.

SOM uses the best of western technology and perfected by Lockheed Martin. It’s anti-jamming capabilities and ability to operate in dense electronic and air defence theatres must definitely be better than Ra’ad. If it’s good enough for NATO & F-35, then it’s certainly good enough for Pakistan and JF-17

SOM is a decent missile. But, the missile used in F35 is Joint strike missile of Norway. Turkey will use SOM on its own F35 with modifications to be compliant with Joint strike missile (like collective guidance).

 

[Hassan Guy]

Arms trade between Turkey and Pakistan should be equal. They should be working together instead.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Ouch.....that was an uppercut with a right cross that just put the subject to sleep

 

[MMM-E]

If the missile is travelling at 0.6mach (200m/s or 700kmph), people can spot it in open seas and launch heavy machine gun fire with 1000s of rounds per minute in that direction and destroy it. Even CIWS like AK630 exist for the same reason. But, if the speed in 3Mach (1km/s), it is not possible to intercept with such cheap tricks.

Radars can not trace SOM Missile .... SOM Missile has stealth design , low detectable capability and superior technology

-- stealth design
-- Anti ship and Land attack capability
-- 250+ km range
-- Mach 0.94 speed
-- Flight altitude : Sea skimming / Terrain hugging ... ( less than 5 meters )
-- weight 600kg
-- warhead 230 kg
-- GPS ( Global Positioning System )
-- INS ( Inertial Navigation System )
-- TRN ( Terrain referenced navigation)
-- IBN ( Image based Navigation )
-- ATR ( Automatic Target Recognition )
-- Inertial measurement unit (IMU) for high precision guidance
-- Imaging infrared (IIR) seeker

The IIR seeker incorporates a high-resolution imaging system and allows detection of predefined targets with long ranges, high-agility, and resistance to electronic countermeasures / clutter

also SOM incorporates a radar and barometric altimeter for determining the flight altitude, and has the ability to follow waypoints and terrain contours

also Network enabled capability .... SOM is capable of performing in-flight re-targeting as well as in-flight mission selection among pre-planned missions


so F35 Fighter Jet + SOM Missile = Low detectable capability , very deadly and highly effective attack capability

btw TURKEY develops RAMJET for ATMACA Anti Ship Missile ( Mach 2.9 supersonic speed )




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[Vijyes Yechury]

Radars can not trace SOM Missile .... SOM Missile has stealth design , low detectable capability and superior technology

-- stealth design
-- Anti ship and Land attack capability
-- 250+ km range
-- Mach 0.94 speed
-- Flight altitude : Sea skimming / Terrain hugging ... ( less than 5 meters )
-- weight 600kg
-- warhead 230 kg
-- GPS ( Global Positioning System )
-- INS ( Inertial Navigation System )
-- TRN ( Terrain referenced navigation)
-- IBN ( Image based Navigation )
-- ATR ( Automatic Target Recognition )
-- Inertial measurement unit (IMU) for high precision guidance
-- Imaging infrared (IIR) seeker

The IIR seeker incorporates a high-resolution imaging system and allows detection of predefined targets with long ranges, high-agility, and resistance to electronic countermeasures / clutter

also SOM incorporates a radar and barometric altimeter for determining the flight altitude, and has the ability to follow waypoints and terrain contours

also Network enabled capability .... SOM is capable of performing in-flight re-targeting as well as in-flight mission selection among pre-planned missions


so F35 Fighter Jet + SOM Missile = Low detectable capability , very deadly and highly effective attack capability

btw TURKEY develops RAMJET for ATMACA Anti Ship Missile ( Mach 2.9 supersonic speed )




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Kale 3500 is the 4 kN engine and isn't yet ramjet. Are you speaking of some other engine? Please recheck

SOM is indeed stealth in nature. But, almost all subsonic cruise missiles are stealth in nature. The problem here is that the speed is not fast enough and hence machine gun fire like AK630 CIWS can intercept it. This is why I emphasize on stealth. The radars on ships are very powerful unlike the small radars in the radome of aircrafts. So, ships will detect the missiles at a few kilometres distance at least due to the engine heat, air vibration due to movement of air. High speed Ramjet is needed for better roles

250km range is for air to land including the speed of aircraft. In ship to ship role, the initial momentum of the flying aircraft will not be there and range will come down to 150km.

SOM is a good standoff short range ALCM as it has low weight and decent range. Its anti ship ability is only secondary

 

[MMM-E]

Kale 3500 is the 4 kN engine and isn't yet ramjet. Are you speaking of some other engine? Please recheck

Turkish KALE 3500 engine is to replace French TRI-40 Engine ( SOM Missile )



I am talking about Roketsan RAMJET Project for mach 2.9 supersonic speed ( ATMACA Supersonic Anti Ship Missile )




and TURKEY has developed ATMACA Subsonic Anti Ship Missile
Range : 220+ km
Speed : Subsonic
Weight : 800 kg
Warhead : 200 kg
Guidance : INS/GPS System with a terminal-stage active radar-homing seeker


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SOM Air Launched Cruise Missile is in service
ATMACA Subsonic Anti Ship Missile has been developed by ROKETSAN
ATMACA Supersonic Anti Ship Missile is under development

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Turkish SOM Anti Ship and Land attack Missile has 230 kg warhead
Turkish ATMACA Anti Ship Missile has 200 kg warhead
American HARPOON Anti Ship Missile has 221 kg warhead
French EXOCET Anti Ship Missile has 165 kg warhead

so SOM Missile also has highly effective attack capability against Warships

and soon Turkish ATMACA and French-British PERSEUS Anti Ship Missiles will have Supersonic speed for NATO Military Power

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[Sully3]

Turkish f16's have a switch off button that can be activated by USA if they believe Turkey is using the planes against interestes of the USA

The switch off button were installed into all muslim countries buying f16's after Israel protested their sales.

 

[Vijyes Yechury]

Turkish f16's have a switch off button that can be activated by USA if they believe Turkey is using the planes against interestes of the USA

The switch off button were installed into all muslim countries buying f16's after Israel protested their sales.

Lol! That is ridiculous. Do you have source of the allegations? Are you saying that Saudis are spending hundreds of billions of dollars to buy a wasteful item?

 

[Sully3]

Lol! That is ridiculous. Do you have source of the allegations? Are you saying that Saudis are spending hundreds of billions of dollars to buy a wasteful item?

what do you think happened to pakistani f16's during the Kargil war?? not one flew out of their air base even for re con mission let alone engaging any Indian air force fighters which were used extensively by india during the war.

The 2 Indian Migs pakistani shit down over Kargil were done by the army using surface to air weapons