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Turkey accuses five nations of forming ‘alliance of evil’

well , turkey intervention saved Al-Nusra *** , do you think its incidental ?
the situation in Idlib coud have become normal if turkey enforced it's part of deal with russia and assad and disarmed Al-Nusra.
after the deal under turkey watch Al-Nusra controlled area of Idlib increased to 80% from the original 20%
There was and is no evidence that heavy weapons were in Turkish held areas. That's just something the Syrians made up, because the UAE bribed them to. In fact, it was the Russians that stopped the Syrian offensive, not Turkey. Turkey would have happily kept destroying Assad's fighters, if the Russians didnt step in.
 
what a liar

all of them were in Idlib ....

Fatimioun and Zeynabioun are funded, trained, and equipped by the IRGC

The Fatimioun Brigade consists of Afghan Shiites
The Zeynabioun Brigade consists of Pakistani Shiites




about HEZBOLLAH in Idlib

Thousands bury Hezbollah fighters killed in Syria’s Idlib
https://apnews.com/ff901586325b714206e51ce06f99ae0a


Bodies of Hezbollah fighters killed in Syria’s Idlib returned to Lebanon
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/2...s-killed-in-syrias-idlib-returned-to-lebanon/


now ASSAD Regime forces and Iran backed militia and Russian WAGNER in Libya to fight against Turkey
as I said not at the time I said there was no Hezbollah in Idlib, why you insist to post article of the later months
and Nor Fatemioun nether Zeynabion are not IRGC.
so still you are the liar

@jaibi

Iranian member above is posting off-topic and provoking Turkish members.
go back one page and you see a Turkish member start to post off-topic and I answered him and you jumped in .
and that same Turkish member start post lies about Iran and Hezbollah are present in Libya .
so if you are worry about off topic posts go and talk with that Turkish member and made him stop post lies about Iran.

There was and is no evidence that heavy weapons were in Turkish held areas. That's just something the Syrians made up, because the UAE bribed them to. In fact, it was the Russians that stopped the Syrian offensive, not Turkey. Turkey would have happily kept destroying Assad's fighters, if the Russians didnt step in.
please tell me if those weapon were not in DMZ how the m4and M5 were not open to civilians in Allepo and the text of agreement was that the HTS government in Idlib get disbanded rebels in idlib hand their weapon
its the term of agreement that were not come into effect . in short the part turkey promissed didn't materialized
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Groups deemed "radical", such as the Al-Qaeda-linked Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), would have to leave the demilitarized zone entirely
Groups deemed "moderate", such as the Turkish-backed National Front for Liberation , would be allowed to remain within the demilitarized zone, but would have to withdraw all heavy and medium weapons from it, including all tanks, MLRS, artillery and mortars.
The HTS-run Syrian Salvation Government would be dissolved.
The rebel groups would open and ensure unrestricted civilian access through the M4 and M5 highways.
 
2- Turkey do not protect terrorist organizations like some others in our region. We are there to stop a secterian slaughter.
TUrkey IS IN BED in Idlib with HTS in Idlib right now. Have you done a search on Twitter for "Turkey and HTS" THere is video evidence there, showing TUrkish soldiers right next to HTS people...I mean, who is directing HTS operatiosn then?Isnt it Turkey? How was Russia able to kil 33 Turkish soldiers if they werent RIGHT NEXT TO HTS?? Russia bombed HTS that day but didnt expect Turks to be with hthem, in their trenches. So Turkish soldiers were already caught before hanging with their HTS buddies. Also, did Turkey suggest and direct all the rebrands of AQ in Syria? from Jabhat al nusra, to HTS now?..just wondering.
3- None of the failed states in ME has any ability to anything against Turkey...they can't even protect their lands or their generals.
Then exit NATO and lets see what happens. You talk tough, but every time you talk tough, you daddy NATO is right behind you, giving you back up, so you're not being fair or serious.
 
They do have different policies. UAE foreign policy is much more in line with Israelis and they are closer diplomatically to Israelis, as well.

KSA is a puppet of US, but even then they try to maintain some degree of decorum.

The conflict in Yemen showed KSA and UAE funding different sides in the conflict. KSA supported the government of Yemen, while UAE supported a splinter group in South Yemen (which added to the problems.)



Doesn't Xi Jinping do the same?

I am not anti-China, but I call hypocrisy on you for criticizing Erdogan for the same thing China does.

Should he just let US and EU replace him in a coup without defending Turkey?
Xi is a dictator but no one ever said he wasn't. You said Erdogan is not a dictator because he was elected so I prompted to ask you whether Hitler was a dictator or not and whether crushing his political enemies, making anyone who says negative things about him jailed and purging hundreds of thousands of people within his country makes him a dictator. I don't know why you even bought Xi into this discussion as it is about Erdogan and you said he isn't a dictator so what is he?

TUrkey IS IN BED in Idlib with HTS in Idlib right now. Have you done a search on Twitter for "Turkey and HTS" THere is video evidence there, showing TUrkish soldiers right next to HTS people...I mean, who is directing HTS operatiosn then?Isnt it Turkey? How was Russia able to kil 33 Turkish soldiers if they werent RIGHT NEXT TO HTS?? Russia bombed HTS that day but didnt expect Turks to be with hthem, in their trenches. So Turkish soldiers were already caught before hanging with their HTS buddies. Also, did Turkey suggest and direct all the rebrands of AQ in Syria? from Jabhat al nusra, to HTS now?..just wondering.

Then exit NATO and lets see what happens. You talk tough, but every time you talk tough, you daddy NATO is right behind you, giving you back up, so you're not being fair or serious.
Typically they talk tough, insult with racism, then cry to the mods when someone defends themselves. We got a word here for that in Australia but i won't say it here.
 
Xi is a dictator but no one ever said he wasn't. You said Erdogan is not a dictator because he was elected so I prompted to ask you whether Hitler was a dictator or not and whether crushing his political enemies, making anyone who says negative things about him jailed and purging hundreds of thousands of people within his country makes him a dictator. I don't know why you even bought Xi into this discussion as it is about Erdogan and you said he isn't a dictator so what is he?


Typically they talk tough, insult with racism, then cry to the mods when someone defends themselves. We got a word here for that in Australia but i won't say it here.

I don't approve of Turks or Chinese trolling each other. It gets tiring.

We have the same enemy, why can't we create a common platform?
 
Xi is a dictator but no one ever said he wasn't. You said Erdogan is not a dictator because he was elected so I prompted to ask you whether Hitler was a dictator or not and whether crushing his political enemies, making anyone who says negative things about him jailed and purging hundreds of thousands of people within his country makes him a dictator. I don't know why you even bought Xi into this discussion as it is about Erdogan and you said he isn't a dictator so what is he?
Unlike hitler and Xi, The people can vote Erdogan out of his office. Germans couldn’t vote hitler out, not can Chinese people vote Xi out
 
@MMM-E you started it. No need to drag in off-topic parties just to provoke them.

@Hack-Hook you took the bait and continued to further derail the thread.

@-SINAN- please keep the whole picture in view. The best thing for you in such a situation would be to tag both members and ask them both to avoid derailing the thread. If it continues, report the post (as you did).


NO POSTS ARE BEING DELETED AND THE THREAD IS ALLOWED TO CONTINUE BUT ANY FURTHER OFF-TOPIC POSTS WILL BE DELETED AND WARNINGS MAY BE SERVED.
 
TUrkey IS IN BED in Idlib with HTS in Idlib right now. Have you done a search on Twitter for "Turkey and HTS" THere is video evidence there, showing TUrkish soldiers right next to HTS people...I mean, who is directing HTS operatiosn then?Isnt it Turkey? How was Russia able to kil 33 Turkish soldiers if they werent RIGHT NEXT TO HTS?? Russia bombed HTS that day but didnt expect Turks to be with hthem, in their trenches. So Turkish soldiers were already caught before hanging with their HTS buddies. Also, did Turkey suggest and direct all the rebrands of AQ in Syria? from Jabhat al nusra, to HTS now?..just wondering.

Radical sectarian ASSAD Regime , Russia , Iran backed terrorist groups IRGC , HEZBOL are miillion times worse than HTS

S.Arabia/The UAE controlled HTS is a proplem but Radical sectarian ASSAD Regime , Russia , Iran backed terrorist groups IRGC , HEZBOL are very big problem

Radical sectarian ASSAD Regime , Russia , Iran backed terrorist groups IRGC , HEZBOL killed hundreds of thousands of sunni muslim Syrians and forced over 7 million sunni muslim Syrians to move from their lands to another countries including Turkey

so Turkey never will allow Radical sectarian ASSAD Regime , Russia , Iran backed terrorist groups IRGC , HEZBOL to kill another hundreds of thousands of sunni muslim Syrians and to force another millions of sunni muslim Syrians to move from their lands to Turkey under the mask of fighting HTS


Russia/Iran/ASSAD are against Turkey in Syria and Libya
 
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@MMM-E you started it. No need to drag in off-topic parties just to provoke them.



well , turkey intervention saved Al-Nusra *** , do you think its incidental ?
the situation in Idlib coud have become normal if turkey enforced it's part of deal with russia and assad and disarmed Al-Nusra.
after the deal under turkey watch Al-Nusra controlled area of Idlib increased to 80% from the original 20%

Iranian user started it ,, not me

Iranian users always are trying to show Turkey as terrorist supporter country , whine Iran's IRGC and HEZBOLLAH are terrorists
 
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Iranian user started it ,, not me

Iranian users always are trying to show Turkey as terrorist supporter country , whine Iran's IRGC and HEZBOLLAH are terrorists
Now it is time to STOP it! That is what is important. Rather than deleting all those posts we should give it a chance and hope people will stick to topic and continue with sensible discussion.
 
Now it is time to STOP it! That is what is important. Rather than deleting all those posts we should give it a chance and hope people will stick to topic and continue with sensible discussion.

ok ..its my last post

but Iranian users should stop it in every Turkish thread to show Turkey as terrorist supporter country

another pro-Iranian user provoked Turkish users first ..... 925boy and Hack-Hook started it

Agreed. Thats why i told the Turks on this forum that they should screenshot me telling them that Turkish soldiers will only go back to Turkey with a list of destroyed equipment and Kurdish land,which they dont even want. Turkey has found itself in bed now with the worst Sunni rebels in Syria(HTS, ISIS etc), so where positive can that really take Turkey? NATO wont enter Syria, so Russia, Iran and SYria can suck out Turkey in Syria, eventually.
 
please tell me if those weapon were not in DMZ how the m4and M5 were not open to civilians in Allepo and the text of agreement was that the HTS government in Idlib get disbanded rebels in idlib hand their weapon
its the term of agreement that were not come into effect . in short the part turkey promissed didn't materialized
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Groups deemed "radical", such as the Al-Qaeda-linked Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), would have to leave the demilitarized zone entirely
Groups deemed "moderate", such as the Turkish-backed National Front for Liberation , would be allowed to remain within the demilitarized zone, but would have to withdraw all heavy and medium weapons from it, including all tanks, MLRS, artillery and mortars.
The HTS-run Syrian Salvation Government would be dissolved.
The rebel groups would open and ensure unrestricted civilian access through the M4 and M5 highways.
Reword your comment, I don't know what you're asking me exactly. I don't want to misinterpret what you're saying.

I will respect @Arsalan 's wish, and end the conversation here, as i do not what to contribute to derailing this thread any further than it has already gotten.
 
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Since 2013...
FIne, so now, its time for receipts:

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Bloody Idlib battle to resume by end of year?

  • David Lepeska
  • May 14 2020 10:11 Gmt+3
  • Last Updated On: May 15 2020 10:39 Gmt+3
The Turkish-Russian ceasefire for Syria’s last rebel-controlled province has held for more than two months, but at least one analyst expects the forces of President Bashar Assad to resume their Idlib offensive in the coming months in a major push to reclaim all Syrian territory and end the 10-year war.

Blaise Misztal, a fellow at U.S. think tank the Hudson Institute, said the ceasefire should not be viewed as a success because nearly 70 days on it has yet to be fully implemented. Among its key provisions is that Turkey and Russia jointly patrol a new security zone along the M4 highway.

“There have been I believe to date five or six attempts to hold those joint patrols, and none of those attempts have succeeded thus far,” Misztal told Ahval in a podcast, adding that the patrols had been broken up by protesters connected to al-Qaeda-linked rebel group Hayat al-Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), which some purport to be an ally of Turkey’s.

That complex relationship, according to Misztal, is representative of the wider war and its unpredictability. He said that Turkey and the extremist-jihadist HTS had not embarked on a full partnership, but merely had temporarily aligned interests in keeping Assad out of Idlib. In organising the protests, HTS had sought to tell its followers that it had not moderated or made a deal with Turkey.

“HTS does not want to be ruled by Turkey; they have their own goal of establishing an Islamic emirate, much like ISIS [Islamic State] did in the east,” said Misztal. “They might see working with Turkey as a way to survive right now but they do not see themselves as a Turkish partner or proxy.”

Indeed, a crucial element of the ceasefire, and of the 2018 Sochi deal that preceded it, is that Turkey persuades Idlib rebel groups, including HTS, to lay down their arms. Thus far Turkish officials have made little progress on that count.

“Sooner or later,” said Misztal, “Russia and Iran are going to demand of Turkey that it demobilise HTS and Turkey’s going to have the choice of either failing to do that and risking conflict with the Assad regime or going to war with HTS.”

This is far from the only issue that has helped silence the guns in Idlib. Iran, Russia and Turkey have all been focused on their domestic battles with the coronavirus pandemic. Tehran lost the architect of its Syria campaign in January, when the United States assassinated Qassem Soleimani via drone strike, and it has endured Russian-Syrian squabbles and been battered by weeks of Israeli strikes in Syria, according to Misztal.

“There are a lot of factors that have contributed to this ceasefire not being violated yet, but that is very different than seeing this ceasefire actually take hold and lead to a political settlement,” he said.

Turkey is fully committed to Idlib after suffering its biggest military blow of the Syrian war in late February, when 34 of its soldiers were killed in an airstrike. Following that attack, Turkey launched Operation Spring Shield, in which heavy drone and artillery bombardment took out scores of Syrian government forces as well as several members of Hezbollah and other Iran-backed militias fighting in Idlib.

The Trump administration has long sought to counter increasing Iranian aggression in the region without committing additional troops, for which it would need a partner. Following Ankara’s assault on Iranian militias, several prominent figures, including U.S. envoy to Syria James Jeffrey, suggested NATO ally Turkey. Yet Misztal points out that the March operation was not really an attack against Iran, and that outside Idlib, Turkish and U.S. views on Iran rarely align.

“Turkey needed to push back to show it wasn’t going to take the killing of 34 of its own troops lying down. But it couldn’t push back against the actual perpetrator of those attacks, which was Russia,” he said. “In other places where the U.S. might have a desire to push back against Iran, like in Iraq, we’ve actually seen Turkey and Iran be much more on the same page.”

An even greater impediment to a U.S.-Turkey partnership is the government in Ankara. President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan is mainly looking to grow Turkish power and break Turkey away from the West and establish itself as an independent player in the Middle East and the broader region. “As long as Erdoğan is pursuing those goals, he’s never going to seriously consider a partnership with the United States,” said Misztal.

This explains why Turkey has aligned with a jihadi group to keep the forces of Russia- and Iran-backed Assad from crushing some 3 million displaced Syrians who are pressed up against the Turkish border in Idlib.

In a recent Atlantic Council webchat, Turkish Presidential Spokesman İbrahim Kalın said that the Assad regime would do everything in its power to undermine the ceasefire agreed on March 5. In his own way, Misztal agreed.

“Just as we have seen with each of the previous ceasefires, sooner or later the Assad regime and its partners will figure out a strategy, come up with a plan, or decide the time is right to push their luck a little bit further, and then when they’ve gone far enough they’ll retreat behind the safety of a new ceasefire,” he said.

“And I think we’re going to see that play out again probably before the end of this year.”

https://ahvalnews-com.cdn.ampprojec...idlib/bloody-idlib-battle-resume-end-year?amp
 

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