TTP fighters infiltrate into Chitral and attempt to seize villages/posts 6/9/23

[Sayfullah]

Without local support, getting close to target while armed, well versed in plan, rested and motivated is not easy.

Imagine it’s a one way trip, one last mission, no one would go in half hearted or tired or exhausted.

In this case, TTP said they will attack and they did so army was prepared and on alert. So is this an intel success ? Is this a successful defensive mission ? Does this show that heli QRF is effective ? Does SSG need to be called in every time everywhere ?

Pk mentioned drones and lots of dead TTP - bottom line, PA was prepared.

However consider this, how do you define success of a mission ? Lesser number killed than enemy ? Strategic goals met over long term ? Killing of a leader ? Not taking any damage ? Or just a successful mission which meets its aims ?

What if one lucky shot of RPG had killed 6 soldiers while only two terrorists would be killed and rest ran away ? After all, they didn’t capture any land neither destroyed an important installation like dam, air base, parliament etc.

What are the metrics of success ?

Success in this war isn’t measured by how many enemies or enemy leaders are killed. Success isn’t measured by how much land is liberated.
Success in such wars are measured by whose ideology comes on top and who has local support. You could kill 10 ttp for every 1 Pakistani soldier but if their ideology still appeals to people they’ll always be a threat. You could lose 10 soldiers to kill a single ttp but if their ideology is made redundant and doesn’t appeal to locals, you’ll eventually come out on top and permanently win this war.
This is an ideological war. The enemy brought an ideology and tried to sell it to the people. It’s your job to counter their ideology with your ideology and prove to the people their ideology is flawed. The best way to do this is stop messing around with secularism and ethnic nationalism, instead send scholars to prove them as khawarij to the locals and defeat their khawarij ideology by proving their view of “shariah” is against Islam. By promoting secularism or ethnic nationalism you play right into the enemy’s trap and they use shariah to recruit more fighters. This ideological war is not limited to Pakistan nor is it limited to a single ideology. For example, in places like Nangarhar and Kunar you can use the Salafi majority to root out ttp and make them pro pak using Pakistani salafi groups and madressas. In Nuristan you can use their similarity to Chitralis and them being a unique people more in common with people from Chitral to turn them pro pak and anti ttp. Kinda playing the ethnic line in situations like this while also fighting on the religious front. There’s many fault lines that exist in Afghanistan and even Pakistan where ttp is in power. Remember how ttp was cutting each others necks during Fazlullah’s leadership. Agencies goal should be to create that type of situation again. Use your enemies to fight your enemies while destroying their ideology.

Anytime a ttp foot soldier is killed it’s automatically a failure on Pakistans part. It failed to make ttp ideology less appealing to people and foot soldiers joining ttp ranks in Pakistan and Afghanistan shows it.

 

[HerbertPervert]

Without local support, getting close to target while armed, well versed in plan, rested and motivated is not easy.

Imagine it’s a one way trip, one last mission, no one would go in half hearted or tired or exhausted.

In this case, TTP said they will attack and they did so army was prepared and on alert. So is this an intel success ? Is this a successful defensive mission ? Does this show that heli QRF is effective ? Does SSG need to be called in every time everywhere ?

Pk mentioned drones and lots of dead TTP - bottom line, PA was prepared.

However consider this, how do you define success of a mission ? Lesser number killed than enemy ? Strategic goals met over long term ? Killing of a leader ? Not taking any damage ? Or just a successful mission which meets its aims ?

What if one lucky shot of RPG had killed 6 soldiers while only two terrorists would be killed and rest ran away ? After all, they didn’t capture any land neither destroyed an important installation like dam, air base, parliament etc.

What are the metrics of success ?

Has local support increased for these groups?

 

[Laser]

Swat Drama 2.0

I guess it’s an attempt to get back support and continue milking aid.

Lagta to aesa hi hai. Dobara apni hi awam mari jaingi.

 

[Dalit]

,.,.,.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1699521960735363503

Remember, TTP now has US/NATO weapons in their hands.

Good one, I've been searching for the good Taliban for 20 years, the reality is Taliban is Taliban, TTP is another name but is their ally, even have relatives. Yes only difference is one is anti Pakistan and one is the ruler of Afghanistan. Sounds frightening. Pakistan as usual as no plan to counter this, only keep their heads down but become a lion when it comes to Pakistani public.

Don't expect the Pakistani army to come on top against TTP. We know the history of the Pakistani army in Swat. It doesn't bode well. My wife is from Chitral. We are getting updates every day. The Chitrali people are asking themselves how the TTP was allowed to enter some places so easily.

 

[Signalian]

Has local support increased for these groups?

I’m skeptical.

People of swat were okay with them, but Chitral is different and probably with get a chitrol from Chitralis.

 

[Areesh]

That's why I don't believe whatever that is going on here.

How does a group of people "cross" the border from Afghanistan to Chitral undetected?

If they can pull all the games and tricks on May 9th and cracking down on PTI via geofencing then how could they not catch TTP crossing an INTERNATIONAL BORDER?

Because these terrorists didn't enter main chitral valley or chitral city

They entered chitral district which borders Afghanistan and all the fighting happened at the border

Learn the difference

https://twitter.com/x/status/1699619940293046478

So what I don't understand, What is TTP wants to achieve ? They infiltrate here and there, attack few posts and lets say they even capture few districts, then what ? of course Pakistan Army will try to fight them and if ground Operations failed they will just send in Fighter jets to bomb the crap out of them like they did back then, I failed to understand that why anyone wants to join TTP or fight for a cause which has no end or success ? TTP's fight is not for Islam, they have " shariah" in Afghanistan so why not just move their ? why they are so hell bent on Implementing Shariah in Pakistan ? When in Islam there is no concept of close border nations, so why not live in peace in Afghanistan and find wives and multiply, but they keep attacking Pakistan which shows that they are controlled by 1) Foreign powers, who wants to just keep Pakistan weak with its Army engaged in a guerilla Warfare and 2) Afghan Pashtoon nationalism is using TTP to weaken these areas, and gather support from locals so they can take back KPK/Pashtoon belt of Baluchistan.

Afghanistan and Pashtoon people in General are Barbaric Animals, they have no concept of how to live in a civilized society, all they know is to kill and fight, that is why even in Karachi the worse areas are those where Majority Pashtoon lives, they keep getting their people involved in violence, illegal activities, crimes, and I don't understand what is wrong with this race, are they all crazy ? Are they all just violence barbarians ? or are they all Pashtoon's just hate everyone/everything.

Taliban concept of sharia is to use Islam for getting into power and govern a region

They did the same in Afghanistan and they want to do same in Pakistan or at least pashtun areas of Pakistan

It is all about lust for power and government not love for Islam or sharia

 

[TheSolution]

Has local support increased for these groups?

No.

TTP will only ever have major support in Pashtun dominated areas (mainly tribal) because their ideology is Pashtun supremacy mixed with Islam. You only have to see the history of Afghanistan to see this.

Chitralis don't f/ck with that or their extremism, they attacked the outskirts.

 

[Mirzali Khan]

Because these terrorists didn't enter main chitral valley or chitral city

They entered chitral district which borders Afghanistan and all the fighting happened at the border

Learn the difference

https://twitter.com/x/status/1699619940293046478

Taliban concept of sharia is to use Islam for getting into power and govern a region

They did the same in Afghanistan and they want to do same in Pakistan or at least pashtun areas of Pakistan

It is all about lust for power and government not love for Islam or sharia

Wasn’t there a fence that was built?

It’s pretty weird how they got in there, in a place that has never supported them.

 

[Areesh]

Wasn’t there a fence that was built?

It’s pretty weird how they got in there, in a place that has never supported them.

How hard it is to cut a fence and attack a border region??

 

[Mirzali Khan]

How hard it is to cut a fence??

They couldn’t catch that but they can catch PTI kids on social media

 

[Areesh]

They couldn’t catch that but they can catch PTI kids on social media

Priorities

Doesn't change the fact that TTP attacked from Afghanistan

 

[Mirzali Khan]

Remember how ttp was cutting each others necks during Fazlullah’s leadership. Agencies goal should be to create that type of situation again. Use your enemies to fight your enemies while destroying their ideology.

Instigating infighting was how BLA was tamed down as well.(at one point).

Priorities

Doesn't change the fact that TTP attacked from Afghanistan

Algeria shot at Moroccan jet ski tourists the moment they crossed the maritime boundary.

Cutting a fence and getting into an unfriendly area undetected is very weird.

 

[Areesh]

Algeria shot at Moroccan jet ski tourists the moment they crossed the maritime boundary.

Cutting a fence and getting into an unfriendly area undetected is very weird.

Nothing weird considering the border and that region

 

[Riz]

So the TTP managed to cross the border in huge numbers into Pakistani territory and we did nothing proactively and our intel was sleeping?

Tum bas BC agriculture, investment, exchange rate, secrets act, taxation, energy inefficiency, dunya kay har lallu panju kaam par dehan dena magr apnay kaam par nhn. Kia zaleel kuttay hain yeh log waisay.

Also note, Chitral is not a traditionally Muslim area either. And this is the first time it will be seeing a conflict like this. I talked to a friend from Chitral, although he isn't there himself, but he says family and whole villages are now holed up inside and they are expecting Taliban to enter their homes any moment. Tense situation.

Hope this gets resolved soon.

Both are terrorists groups , both groups are civilians killing machines

https://twitter.com/x/status/1699534123767939277

 

[PanzerKiel]

How hard it is to cut a fence and attack a border region??

In this area, terrain is too rugged to erect a fence. Therefore, no fence.