Trump in Afganistan for the first time to end war!!

[H. Dawary]

You are giving credence to countries that are frankly too economically stunted to overtake the US influence. Ultimately, we are not there to have a permanent military presence in any of those countries. Even so -

• Libya, we are very close to the government a have exclusive oil deals and solid influence, including military and economic
• Iraq, same deal. We are well entrenched and influential. I believe the Iranian embassy got burned down by the Shia mobs recently. AND honestly, what is a completely broke Iran going to do - more terrorist attacks? Our military bases and presence are still there. Iran could not even help it with ISIS. We are security guarantor
• Afghanistan & the Taliban- they have to agree to us having a large embassy and have to agree to zero violence and no support of terror groups, fight elections to show legitimacy and work with the current Afghan government - and then and only then we will start relocating our troops after two years of showing us progress

The Taliban might agree to an embassy, but if you think we are going to agree with soldiers being there, like Japan and Korea, then you are heavily mistaken. In fact, I'd be more than happy if your nation remained for another 100 years and sent another 2 million soldiers, that way we can bankrupt your nation a lot more faster.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

MQM was made after muhajirs suffered from injustice by PPP which was and is composed of predominately sindhi speaking people. Initially it did a lot of good. It fought for mujahir rights and actually helped them but unfortunately the party left its root cause and went astray. Altaf in his initial years was a wonderful person but later on greed and power corrupted him.

As far as Pashtuns are concerned... They have been primary reason why MQM was formed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qasba_Aligarh_massacre . It was after this massacre that Altaf Hussain formerly announced MQM.

The fact is Afghans and few Pakistani Pashtuns(Mostly ANP thugs) have been a cause of great problems in Karachi. Most of them are illiterate , terrorist , drug sellers and rapist ( bacha bazi). I am glad MQM was formed and taught pashtuns lessons by using the same medicine ( violence) that Pashtuns understand.... After the formation of MQM , pashtuns never dared to attack Muhajirs ( no similar Qasba Aligarh Massacre) because they knew they would meet with the same violence that they inflict upon others....

Another good thing MQM did was it eliminated all the people involved in Kacha Qilla massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Hyderabad_massacre . Sindhis learned to never use violence against Muhajirs as well.

Had MQM not been formed, Muhajirs would have lived under the fear of Sindhis and Pashtuns...


Only if Altaf had been a loyal citizen of the country and didn't resort to illegal means..MQM would have been a dominant party in urban Sindh.

So they created MQM which ended up working for RAW and took no time to talk sh$t about Pakistan and its army. Its sounds like racist bigotry to me and you are trying were hard to hide it. Nice job but the rest of the country sees them and MQM for who they are. Terrorists and you become a Terrorist sympathizer.

you are making fun of bengalis i am not a bengali . but bengalis are more educated and civilised as compare to the barbarians unethical terrorists lives in afghanistan . just compare both countries .
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we have both bangali basti and afghan basti in our city . believe me "any Pakistani" could go to bengali basti and came out with all his/her belongings but you will get snatched the moment you enter afghan basti . (both bastis hv least educated and poor peoples )
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try to enter afghan basti with Pakistani badge on ur chest . you might got shot .

When did I make fun of Bengalis? The "Afghans" that came here caused a sh$t ton of damage in kpk and balochistan too. Do you think we are found of them? Go to kpk and ask anyone how they feel about them. You will get one thing constantly said "namak haram". This doesn't mean I look at this through 1 hole in a wall. I am more concerned about Pakistan's power and future and for that we need central Asian to fly out flag. These "Afghans" can be delt with when they are absorbed by our customs and culture.

Those pashtuns vote for ANP or are PTM/ethnic supermacist. You don't know what you are talking about. They form their own ethnic enclaves ( e.g one at sorab goth in Khi) where non-pashtuns can't enter.

I am from sindh and studied in universities where Pashtuns from Pak and Afghan were present. Both of them had toxic mentality.

Unlike Bengali and Indian muslims , Afghanistan and especially afghan pashtuns regularly attacked Pakistan since its inception in 1947. You need to read some history before praising pashtuns of Afghanistan.

All Afghan pashtuns must leave otherwise they will form their own interest groups like PTM/ANP/Achakzai types. I have personally observed the ethnic supermacist tendencies of Pashtuns.

Learn to differentiate between "Pashtun" and "afghan" the people you are talking about are kabuli.

Yup.. I am not a bengali as well. I am not sure why he keeps bringing up bengalis. Also , bengalis never really harmed or attacked people in Karachi...

You try to enter sorab Goth( ethnic enclaves of Afghan Pashtuns ) and see what happens. Absolute lawless area where you will fear for your life. Crimes are rampant over there... Even police is afraid to go in those areas. Few days back , these goons blocked super highway because few truck drivers attacked FWO workers and got killed in return.

Pakhtoon yum lives in Canada but talks about uniting Afghanistan with Pakistan.... If he likes Afghanistan so much then he should have immigrated to Afghanistan rather than going to Canada....

I have seen people like Pakhtoon yum...Those chaps usually have good intentions and are generally nice people but since they don't live near ground zero ( Sindh in my case) , they generally don't know the truth.

Just because I live in Canada? That's nice, I belong to a well established and known family within KPK and Pakistan. Believe it or not. It is you that wats to keep your thought process within a boundary. The boundary that exists between pakistan is very new. These 2 countries are the same and have been for centuries more so then Pakistan and india being the same. Its natural for them to unite again. Go read some history or a book about geopolitics. Or heck look at a fu$ing map.

I bring of migrants from Bengal and india because they were the ones that voted and supported the terrorist scum that is MQM.

Anti Pakistan sentiments are present within Pakistan as well.

More in Pakistan then anywhere else.

do agree even the pakhtoon yum will get robbed in afghan basti .

You do know what happens when Kabuliz try to rob us right?

 

[fitpOsitive]

I agree with you bro, Afghanistan should be our sixth province(with GB as fifth).
@Pakhtoon yum

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

I agree with you bro, Afghanistan should be our sixth province(with GB as fifth).
@Pakhtoon yum

Yes, their population isnt big and will become Pakistanized. It's a benefit to have that area because it provides so much strategic depth. Why do you think America is there? It's for that reason.

GB should've been made into a province long ago. It was the government back then that f$cked up because GB gained independence and then joined pakistan. Thus it is not related to Kashmir. As for Kashmir then it should be declared a province too. Both indian occupied and azad Kashmir. The capital should be muzaferabad with it's own provincial government. In charge of both Indian occupied and azad Kashmir.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Yes, their population isnt big and will become Pakistanized. It's a benefit to have that area because it provides so much strategic depth. Why do you think America is there? It's for that reason.

GB should've been made into a province long ago. It was the government back then that f$cked up because GB gained independence and then joined pakistan. Thus it is not related to Kashmir. As for Kashmir then it should be declared a province too. Both indian occupied and azad Kashmir. The capital should be muzaferabad with it's own provincial government. In charge of both Indian occupied and azad Kashmir.

You know, the first map of Pak-Afghanistan union was posted by me on this forum. And I got that made by an engineer.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

You know, the first map of Pak-Afghanistan union was posted by me on this forum. And I got that made by an engineer.

Do you still have it? I would love to use it as my profile pic. With your permission also are you aware of junagad?

 

[fitpOsitive]

Do you still have it? I would love to use it as my profile pic. With your permission also are you aware of junagad?

Yes, and also Mangrol Munawader as well.

 

[fitpOsitive]

@Pakhtoon yum Here you go, yes can use the map.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/my-dream-about-pak-afghanistan-unification.426759/

 

[H. Dawary]

@Pakhtoon yum Here you go, yes can use the map.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/my-dream-about-pak-afghanistan-unification.426759/

Unification is one thing bro, but how are you going to convince other Afghans? Many Tajiks for example are opposed to this idea, and my Tajik brothers themselves (roughly about 90-95%) want a Khorasan, the only thing that's preventing that from happening is you guessed it, the Taliban.

I see many posts on Unification on this forum, but the intention I get from many Pak nationals is a negative one, many of them don't want unification, but rather to dominate.

For unification to first happen, both countries interests must be aligned, and the majority of the population have to demand it, right now I don't see any Afghans wanting to be apart of Pakistan, and I see many Paistanis don't want us as I see by their posts...

 

[fitpOsitive]

Unification is one thing bro, but how are you going to convince other Afghans? Many Tajiks for example are opposed to this idea, and my Tajik brothers themselves (roughly about 90-95%) want a Khorasan, the only thing that's preventing that from happening is you guessed it, the Taliban.

I see many posts on Unification on this forum, but the intention I get from many Pak nationals is a negative one, many of them don't want unification, but rather to dominate.

For unification to first happen, both countries interests must be aligned, and the majority of the population have to demand it, right now I don't see any Afghans wanting to be apart of Pakistan, and I see many Paistanis don't want us as I see by their posts...

See the problem is, Afghans demand the piece of land that was once Afghanistan(roughly). Now, we obviously don't like this idea. Right from sending Syed Akber to Amrullah Saleh, every one wanted to tear down Pakistan.
I will suggest you guys accept Durand line as permanent line and then talk.. that will work for sure.
And yes, in Asia, no body like no body...

 

[H. Dawary]

See the problem is, Afghans demand the piece of land that was once Afghanistan(roughly). Now, we obviously don't like this idea. Right from sending Syed Akber to Amrullah Saleh, every one wanted to tear down Pakistan.
I will suggest you guys accept Durand line as permanent line and then talk.. that will work for sure.
And yes, in Asia, no body like no body...

In all honesty I agree, as an Afghan I want two things in Afghanistan to happen, first is accept Durand line, second is to change the name of Afghanistan to either Aryana or Khorasan, as Afghanistan literally means "The land of Pashtuns". Afghanistan belongs to all ethnic not just Pashtuns, even though I am part Pashtun myself, I support this name change many Tajiks are purporting, and accepting the Durand line many are suggesting. After when peace comes to both regions, and our interests are aligned, then we can talk about unification.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

@Pakhtoon yum Here you go, yes can use the map.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/my-dream-about-pak-afghanistan-unification.426759/

Thank you

Unification is one thing bro, but how are you going to convince other Afghans? Many Tajiks for example are opposed to this idea, and my Tajik brothers themselves (roughly about 90-95%) want a Khorasan, the only thing that's preventing that from happening is you guessed it, the Taliban.

I see many posts on Unification on this forum, but the intention I get from many Pak nationals is a negative one, many of them don't want unification, but rather to dominate.

For unification to first happen, both countries interests must be aligned, and the majority of the population have to demand it, right now I don't see any Afghans wanting to be apart of Pakistan, and I see many Paistanis don't want us as I see by their posts...

Not negative at all. Accept the flag and you will be treated as any other citizen of Pakistan. IRS for the greater good of both of out people ot else there will be more ear shd more deaths of innocents. Unification will ensure a strong and prosperous nation. As for the tajiks then pakistan already has central Asian populations it will just be another ethnic group in this already mixed country.

In all honesty I agree, as an Afghan I want two things in Afghanistan to happen, first is accept Durand line, second is to change the name of Afghanistan to either Aryana or Khorasan, as Afghanistan literally means "The land of Pashtuns". Afghanistan belongs to all ethnic not just Pashtuns, even though I am part Pashtun myself, I support this name change many Tajiks are purporting, and accepting the Durand line many are suggesting. After when peace comes to both regions, and our interests are aligned, then we can talk about unification.

We are the same nation and no border is going to stop this unification. Pakistan and Afghanistan have been part of the same empires and countries for centuries.

 

[H. Dawary]

Thank you


Not negative at all. Accept the flag and you will be treated as any other citizen of Pakistan. IRS for the greater good of both of out people ot else there will be more ear shd more deaths of innocents. Unification will ensure a strong and prosperous nation. As for the tajiks then pakistan already has central Asian populations it will just be another ethnic group in this already mixed country.


We are the same nation and no border is going to stop this unification. Pakistan and Afghanistan have been part of the same empires and countries for centuries.

It would be a great idea if we can have Islamic Sharia and work on the name of the new nation, and I would be ok with it.

But that wouldn't be the essential problem... the essential problem would be that if Afghanistan and Pakistan did merge, then Pashtuns would become a majority in the next 20-30 years as the birth rate amongst Pashtuns is very high especially in Afghanistan and FATA regions.

Fertility (Wanted fertility) by region 2017-18[11][edit]
Region Fertility rate
Urban 2.9 (2.4)
Rural 3.9 (3.2)
Overall 3.6 (2.9)
ICT Islamabad 3.0 (2.2)
Punjab 3.4 (2.8)
Sindh 3.6 (3.0)
Azad Kashmir 3.5 (2.7)
Khyber Pakhtunkhwa 4.0 (3.2)
Balochistan 4.0 (3.1)
Gilgit-Baltistan 4.7 (3.7)
FATA 4.8

You see the Pashtun areas, people are having 5-7 children per family... and this is not going to stop until there is some development in Afghanistan, without development this trend is going to continue.

So the real question here is this... Will the rest of Pakistan be ok with a Pashtun majority? As in all nations the majority usually lead it, whites lead America and Canada, Hindus lead India, Sinahalese lead Sri-Lanka, and in the next 20-30 years, assuming Pakistan and Afghanistan merge, will the rest of Pakistan be ok with us leading this new state since we will become a majority?

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

It would be a great idea if we can have Islamic Sharia and work on the name of the new nation, and I would be ok with it.

But that wouldn't be the essential problem... the essential problem would be that if Afghanistan and Pakistan did merge, then Pashtuns would become a majority in the next 20-30 years as the birth rate amongst Pashtuns is very high especially in Afghanistan and FATA regions.

Fertility (Wanted fertility) by region 2017-18[11][edit]
Region Fertility rate
Urban 2.9 (2.4)
Rural 3.9 (3.2)
Overall 3.6 (2.9)
ICT Islamabad 3.0 (2.2)
Punjab 3.4 (2.8)
Sindh 3.6 (3.0)
Azad Kashmir 3.5 (2.7)
Khyber Pakhtunkhwa 4.0 (3.2)
Balochistan 4.0 (3.1)
Gilgit-Baltistan 4.7 (3.7)
FATA 4.8

You see the Pashtun areas, people are having 5-7 children per family... and this is not going to stop until there is some development in Afghanistan, without development this trend is going to continue.

So the real question here is this... Will the rest of Pakistan be ok with a Pashtun majority? As in all nations the majority usually lead it, whites lead America and Canada, Hindus lead India, Sinahalese lead Sri-Lanka, and in the next 20-30 years, assuming Pakistan and Afghanistan merge, will the rest of Pakistan be ok with us leading this new state since we will become a majority?

Pakistan doesnt give a f$ck who is the majority or who is the minority. Pakistan is becoming mixed and that is what is going to happen with Afghanistan too. Also the birth rates would reduce alot when lifes get busier so you are comparing apples and oranges. Also there is nothing wrong with the name Pakistan for the same country. The land of the pure.

Shira cant happen because current Muslims are too immature to handle these laws. They would get twisted and corrupt like in iran and Saudi Arabia. That's that.

 

[Apocalypse]

@Pakhtoon yum @Hakim Dawary @fitpOsitive