Traditional chinese costume . We eliminate your misunderstanding of Chinese costume and hairstyle.

[Snomannen]

I mean before Qing dynasty,the Jurchen-Manchus were not part of Imperial China,so they were not Chinese,but people like Zhuang and Bai are Chinese in Ming dynasty

［今中國（魏）勞力，亦吳、蜀之所願。］－－《三國志》

Does that mean 吳、蜀 were not Chinese?

［若能以吳、越之眾與中國（魏）抗衡，不如早與之絕。］　－－諸葛亮

Does that mean 諸葛亮 was not Chinese?

 

[Grand Historian]

so you want to try deny "剃发易服"? you want quotes? ok, i will show you lots

You reek of of Han Chauvinism,give me the quotes that the Manchus banned Hanfu for ordinary men/women.

Scapegoating Manchus is nothing new,it was a hard line Confucianism as well as selfish generals(of all ethnicities) that lead to Qing's demise.

 

[Andrei]

You just show your true colour in your posts,you said we Manchus only brought bad things to China,if we are so bad,why not you give up northeast,Inner Mongolia,Xinjiang and Tibet,all those regions were conquered by the Qing dynasty

did i say manchu bring only bad things? country area doesn't equal technology. i just tell truth , that ruined technology, isn't it ture?

 

[sahaliyan]

［今中國（魏）勞力，亦吳、蜀之所願。］－－《三國志》

Does that mean 吳、蜀 were not Chinese?

［若能以吳、越之眾與中國（魏）抗衡，不如早與之絕。］　－－諸葛亮

Does that mean 諸葛亮 was not Chinese?

The meaning of word 中国 changed all the times,however those three kingdoms broken from the Han dynasty,so they were both Chinese in my opinion

 

[Grand Historian]

so who give you right to against china and chinese culture? at least more than million han chinese want revival hanfu, that's why hanfu movement are all over the world now, and in malaysia especially more

Hanfu movement in Malaysia

1 million out of 1.3 billion Han doesn't prove anything,Hanfu movement is irrelevant you can't force people to wear ancient clothing just because you want to.

 

[Andrei]

［今中國（魏）勞力，亦吳、蜀之所願。］－－《三國志》

Does that mean 吳、蜀 were not Chinese?

［若能以吳、越之眾與中國（魏）抗衡，不如早與之絕。］　－－諸葛亮

Does that mean 諸葛亮 was not Chinese?

how stupid you are , why not they are chinese? stupid

1 million out of 1.3 billion Han doesn't prove anything,Hanfu movement is irrelevant you can't force people to wear ancient clothing just because you want to.

so stupid, how dare you say, we force han chinese wear ancient costume? we just wear by ourselves willings , we are not manchu. and we not wear every day, just let the world know, han chinese costume is hanfu not qipao or magua

 

[Grand Historian]

did i say manchu bring only bad things? country area doesn't equal technology. i just tell truth , that ruined technology, isn't it ture?

Brush up on your knowledge of the Ming dynasty,multiple incompetent rulers as well as a flawed fiscal policy doomed the Ming.

Being Manchu doesn't make you a bad ruler,being corrupt/lazy/incorrigible ruins the country.

The Ming wasn't as innovative as the Song does that mean Ming is inferior?

 

[Snomannen]

so who give you right to against china and chinese culture? at least more than million han chinese want revival hanfu, that's why hanfu movement are all over the world now, and in malaysia especially more

Hanfu movement in Malaysia

Million you say.
I wonder where did you get the source, in your own imagination world I guess.

It is funny because a dude who can't even read ancient Chinese call me an "anti-Chinese" and "anti-China". Come on, obviously I know more Chinese culture than you do. So why don't you go home and masxxxxate with your so-called "Hanfu".

Yeah Falun Gong is all over the world, they must be with the side of justice as well.

 

[Andrei]

You reek of of Han Chauvinism,give me the quotes that the Manchus banned Hanfu for ordinary men/women.

Scapegoating Manchus is nothing new,it was a hard line Confucianism as well as selfish generals(of all ethnicities) that lead to Qing's demise.

so, you want deny 剃发易服/ that abandon chinese wearing hanfu, just ask that manchu friend, he is rational, and he of course know the history

 

[Grand Historian]

so stupid, how dare you say, we force han chinese wear ancient costume? we just wear by ourselves willings , we are not manchu. and we not wear every day, just let the world know, han chinese costume is hanfu not qipao or magua

Cry some more,modern day Han Chinese wear Western clothing are Han Chinese magically Westerners?

If modern day Han Chinese want to wear Manchu clothing you have no right to stop them.

No one is claiming that Han are Manchus .

so, you want deny 剃发易服/ that abandon chinese wearing hanfu, just ask that manchu friend, he is rational, and he of course know the history

Its the third time I asked for a source that the Manchus forced the common Han men/women to abandon Hanfu.

I'm not denying the scholar elite had to change to a Manchurian faction,what I'm asking is for quotes which you said you will provide.

 

[Speeder 2]

My take on Hanfu, and its knockout versions such as Hanbok and Kimono:

Hanfu

1. Every Chinese should have at least 1 for formal occasions, and ideally more for different seasons.

2. Contrary to conventional views, Hanfu appear to me actually more convenient in eveyday life than some out-of-fashioned western suits most Chinese people wear that make me cringe: if you wear western suits, make it sure the style is in, alongwith proper ties, shirts and shoes. Or just wear Hanfu, modernised version or not.

3. High quality-made Hanfu (expensive ones) look otherworldly noble, elegant and unique.

4. Due to economic reasons, many Chinese can not afford expensively made Hanfu. That's fine, but DO NOT wear those colourful ones that look like cheap knockouts of the 80's. Just wear a simple one with 1 color: white or light grey or light blue, etc. They look almost equally elegant as well.


Hanbok:

By looks alone they seem to be out of porpotions, way too short for the top, and way too big for lower part of skirts.


Kimono:

1. they seem to be well-made quality-wise. Their 20th century abstract art alike colouring & design look beautiful at the first glance, but are too quant for my taste, so quant that they have overtaken the true taste of the historical flavour. It's a bit like eating extra-matured cheese with drops of soy source or ketchup. It reflects the lack of the true spiritual root of Kimono, appearing like an artificial 20th century modern knowkout, unlike authentic Hanfu, even though a simple, cheap, but original one.

2. For Men's version, OMG , again, too much cheap coloring for many, as if some colourful pajamas of 80's out of Wallmart.

 

[Andrei]

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You reek of of Han Chauvinism,give me the quotes that the Manchus banned Hanfu for ordinary men/women.

Scapegoating Manchus is nothing new,it was a hard line Confucianism as well as selfish generals(of all ethnicities) that lead to Qing's demise.

剃发易服，乃指明末清初时期清朝统治者以“不从者斩”为手段，强令其统治下的中国各民族的男子，包括汉族及其它南方少数民族等，改剃满族的髡发发型，改著满族服饰的政策（亦有所例外，详见下文）。有时也单举其中的剃发部分，以“剃发令”或“薙发令”代称。由于这项政策涉及民族文化认同，主要又针对汉族而来，原因之一是为了消弱汉族的民族意识，方便统治，引起各族人民，尤其汉人的强烈反对与抵抗，结果在清初遭致清廷的严厉处罚和血腥镇压。

剃发易服政策加深了当时的民族矛盾，亦压制和毁坏了汉族的服饰文化和发式传统。剃发、易服与圈地、占房、投充、逃人并称“清初六大弊政”。

 

[Snomannen]

how stupid you are , why not they are chinese? stupid


so stupid, how dare you say, we force han chinese wear ancient costume? we just wear by ourselves willings , we are not manchu. and we not wear every day, just let the world know, han chinese costume is hanfu not qipao or magua

You act like a kid in kindergarten, I wonder if you have graduated from there.
I was talking with Mr.sahaliyan, not you. Would you mind not to interrupt our conversation which you can't even understand, please.

Unfortunately to you Qipao and Magua are both Han Chinese traditional clothing.

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剃发易服，乃指明末清初时期清朝统治者以“不从者斩”为手段，强令其统治下的中国各民族的男子，包括汉族及其它南方少数民族等，改剃满族的髡发发型，改著满族服饰的政策（亦有所例外，详见下文）。有时也单举其中的剃发部分，以“剃发令”或“薙发令”代称。由于这项政策涉及民族文化认同，主要又针对汉族而来，原因之一是为了消弱汉族的民族意识，方便统治，引起各族人民，尤其汉人的强烈反对与抵抗，结果在清初遭致清廷的严厉处罚和血腥镇压。

剃发易服政策加深了当时的民族矛盾，亦压制和毁坏了汉族的服饰文化和发式传统。剃发、易服与圈地、占房、投充、逃人并称“清初六大弊政”。

Oh great another worshiper of Wikipedia.

 

[Andrei]

Cry some more,modern day Han Chinese wear Western clothing are Han Chinese magically Westerners?

If modern day Han Chinese want to wear Manchu clothing you have no right to stop them.

No one is claiming that Han are Manchus .


Its the third time I asked for a source that the Manchus forced the common Han men/women to abandon Hanfu.

I'm not denying the scholar elite had to change to a Manchurian faction,what I'm asking is for quotes which you said you will provide.

i know why you against china, so stupid who tells you we stop others wear manchu clothing?

 

[Grand Historian]

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剃发易服，乃指明末清初时期清朝统治者以“不从者斩”为手段，强令其统治下的中国各民族的男子，包括汉族及其它南方少数民族等，改剃满族的髡发发型，改著满族服饰的政策（亦有所例外，详见下文）。有时也单举其中的剃发部分，以“剃发令”或“薙发令”代称。由于这项政策涉及民族文化认同，主要又针对汉族而来，原因之一是为了消弱汉族的民族意识，方便统治，引起各族人民，尤其汉人的强烈反对与抵抗，结果在清初遭致清廷的严厉处罚和血腥镇压。

剃发易服政策加深了当时的民族矛盾，亦压制和毁坏了汉族的服饰文化和发式传统。剃发、易服与圈地、占房、投充、逃人并称“清初六大弊政”。

This paragraph isn't a source...

Show me the edict that was issued.

You don't seem to understand that the Shunzhi edict of 1645 banned Ming era Guanfu not all Hanfu.