Total indigenisation of Sukhoi Su-30MKI next year: HAL

[proud_indian]

The only major difference between an Su30 MKI and F22 raptor is Su30MKI lacks stealth and supercruise. As far as what ive heard, Su30 MKI's maneuverability rating is more than that of an F22.

But u r free to believe it as an Indian BS.

_za3KfMFKLk[/media] - Su-30 & F-22 airshow maneuvers Sync

xebex although i m a big fan of mki but raptor is way advanced than mki in terms of Avionics, EW suite, AESA radar, weapons and stealth (u already mentioned)

 

[xebex]

xebex although i m a big fan of mki but raptor is way advanced than mki in terms of Avionics, EW suite, AESA radar, weapons and stealth (u already mentioned)

yes i know, thatz why I intentionally put the word "major" in my post.

 

[proud_indian]

yes i know, thatz why I intentionally put the word "major" in my post.

Hey bro do u find APG-77 a minor difference

just because of that raptor can shoot down any plane 100 miles away

i found it second best thing of raptor after stealth

 

[hack]

It would be a great achievement by the HAL specially if aircraft of such caliber is prepared indigenously and that from material to the final bolt in the assembly line. SU30 in Indian Air Force... I feel jealous sometimes!

A question from PAF experts: India is going to produce nearly 250 SU-30 and through some YouTube Videos, I have learned it is one of the best 4.5 Gen Air-Crafts in the world. What capacity do we have to counter them? 36 J-10s is not a response I guess?

Get the latest block F-16's...PAF does not need to defeat the IAF..their doctrine is denial of air supremacy over Pakistan.F-16 BLK 60 will do the job very nicely.

 

[DaRk WaVe]

Get the latest block F-16's...PAF does not need to defeat the IAF..their doctrine is denial of air supremacy over Pakistan.F-16 BLK 60 will do the job very nicely.

IF americans are really serious about selling Block 52 n 60s to us

 

[GLOBAL HAWK]

I had been to redflag 2008 and I loved Su-30 MKI.
Damn!!! that was a gorgeous b**** and beast too, I saw it taxiing on run way followed by a korean F-15 eagle.

Man o Man !! that Su-mki dwarfs any fighter aircraft, its humongous.

I later found out that it was a 4.5 gen aircraft only next to F-22/F-35(don't know bout TYPHOON EF )

1) PESA on MKI is no match for APG-77 AESA on F-22 raptor
2) F-22 RCS is the equivalent, for a radar, to a metal marble

If MKI gets much reduced RCS(even if comparable to F-22)and equipped with AESA, then Very Very few aircraft in the world are a match for it.
If achieved that would be for

 

[glomex]

Googled some Images of SU 30 ...... Not linked to discussion but just for fun..

 

[glomex]

This one is special..

 

[GLOBAL HAWK]

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Man!!!!!!
Is the TVC 2D or 3D??? can any anyone shed some light on it with tech info please??

U'r help would be duly appreciated.

 

[glomex]

The HAL Built Sukhoi-30 MKI

 

[gambit]

I had been to redflag 2008 and I loved Su-30 MKI.
Damn!!! that was a gorgeous b**** and beast too, I saw it taxiing on run way followed by a korean F-15 eagle.

Man o Man !! that Su-mki dwarfs any fighter aircraft, its humongous.

I later found out that it was a 4.5 gen aircraft only next to F-22/F-35(don't know bout TYPHOON EF )

1) PESA on MKI is no match for APG-77 AESA on F-22 raptor
2) F-22 RCS is the equivalent, for a radar, to a metal marble

If MKI gets much reduced RCS(even if comparable to F-22)and equipped with AESA, then Very Very few aircraft in the world are a match for it.
If achieved that would be for

Not possible. Currently, the best method for reducing overall RCS is shaping, which is passive measures, of the body. Once a body is in full production, it would require a redesign of the basic airframe, like the F-18E/F Super Hornet, in order have any significant reduction. But even so, the new F-18 is nowhere the level of the F-22 and the F-35 simply because the latter two were purposely designed with RCS reduction as primary consideration.

 

[glomex]

HAL to supply for Sukhoi fighters to Russia


Zhukovski, Aug 20 (PTI) The Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) will supply components to Russia for its Sukhoi range of combat jets for export to third countries, even as India's premier aviation giant prepares to roll out the first fully indigenous Su-30MKI multi-role fighter next year.

India and Russia are expected to sign an inter- governmental agreement on supply on components by the end of this year, a top HAL executive has said.

"We are already supplying navigation and communication equipment for installation on the Su-30MK series of fighters exported by Russia to other countries," GM of HAL's Nasik based Aircraft Manufacturing Division, V Balakrishnan told PTI on sidelines of the International Aerospace Show-MAKS-2009.

The new agreement would provide for expanding the inventory to include the supply of airframe components for the multi-role jets to be exported by Russia, he said.
fullstory

 

[GLOBAL HAWK]

Not possible. Currently, the best method for reducing overall RCS is shaping, which is passive measures, of the body. Once a body is in full production, it would require a redesign of the basic airframe, like the F-18E/F Super Hornet, in order have any significant reduction. But even so, the new F-18 is nowhere the level of the F-22 and the F-35 simply because the latter two were purposely designed with RCS reduction as primary consideration.

Let alone the aircraft frame and design

how about RAM, Radar cancellation mechanism??

 

[gambit]

how about RAM,

Still passive. Limited in bandwidth and freqs. Absorbers are essentially ferrite particles embedded in a material, could be liquid or could be a film. But the problem is that the distribution of the ferrite particles are not uniform throughout the material and between each other.

Here is a primer on absorbers...

Radar-absorbent material - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are variations of RAM such as Jaumman, Salisbury and Dallenbach layerings. Increased thickness to increase bandwidth and freqs equal to increased weight and that is undesirable. The fourth type, analog circuit sheeting, currently is also passive like the rest, but has strong potential to be the next generation of active radar cancellation method.

Radar cancellation mechanism??

No such technologies...Yet. But the US is working on it. See analog circuit sheeting. When, not if, we are done, a drone can be a B-52 one minute and disappear the next.

 

[Patriot]

Yes, i agree with my Indian fellows.SU30MKI beats F22.The only thing F22 has is Sealth otherwise MKI would rip the F22 out of the sky.The PESA radar as mentioned by another indian is more powerful then the AESA APG Radar used on F22.PS: Can i have the stuff you guys are smoking?