Top US officials fly around pitting countries against China. Where is our foreign office????????????

[tower9]

LOL Tell me. Apart from Western world who gave a flying fvck about Xinjiang propaganda? The West literally begs the Islamic world for a condemnation. Instead the Islamic world writes a letter at the UN in support of China.

Muslim governments stay away from criticism because they still seek Chinese investment. But public opinion in the Muslim world is turning against China. So the propaganda is effective.

 

[Dalit]

Muslim governments stay away from criticism because they still seek Chinese investment. But public opinion in the Muslim world is turning against China. So the propaganda is effective.

No, it is because the Islamic world understands that those that are criticizing China are themselves Muslim haters.

China did not invade Iraq or kill Muslims. China did not kill innocent Muslims in drone strikes. China did not support Israel and hate Palestinians.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Muslim governments stay away from criticism because they still seek Chinese investment.

Unfortunately back to the bottom of the pyramid we can see how people are all to willing to sell their souls for personal gain rather than helping their neighbor.

 

[Dalit]

Unfortunately back to the pyramid we can see how people are all to willing to sell their souls for personal gain rather than helping their neighbor.

Sure. Worshipping Muslim hating America is not selling your soul.

 

[tower9]

No, it is because the Islamic world understands that those that are criticizing China are themselves Muslim haters.

China did not invade Iraq or kill Muslims. China did not kill innocent Muslims in drone strikes. China did not support Israel and hate Palestinians.

You would think that most people would understand this basic principle. But the majority of people are emotional and they will react to what they see on the media, regardless of whether it is true or not. Muslims can have both unfavorable views of the West and China at the same time, they don't discount one another.

 

[Dalit]

You would think that most people would understand this basic principle. But the majority of people are emotional and they will react to what they see on the media, regardless of whether it is true or not. Muslims can have both unfavorable views of the West and China at the same time, they don't discount one another.

The majority of Islamic nations don't have beef with China. The anti-China hysteria created by the West is isolated to the Western world.

Muslim nations have friendly relations with China.

 

[tower9]

The majority of Islamic nations don't have beef with China. The anti-China hysteria created by the West is isolated to the Western world.

Muslim nations have friendly relations with China.

For now. But public opinion is beginning to sour on China.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Russians have the advantage of having had a powerful media establishment during the USSR times that was used to wage ideological war and win hearts and minds throughout the developing world.

China has none of that. They had some of it during the Mao era but basically just abandoned it after Deng and focused solely on economic development, thinking that if they were cooperative with the West, they could just quietly grow. And this did work for about 30 years but now China's too big for its britches and is target No. 1 and they are clueless as far as how to react to this.

Russians are also far more socially competent than Chinese people are, that's just stating facts. I see individual Russian vloggers on youtube and they able to win friends and gain admiration in a way that Chinese people cannot do. This extends from the common person to the leaders. Look at how Putin has managed Chechnya versus how the idiot dictator Xi has managed Xinjiang? Detention centers, laughably labeled as "vocational centers" which no one believes in. They could really be just doing propaganda at the detention centers but the very fact they exist just creates fertile soil for the CIA to drum up the wildest stories and this is enough to manage public opinion. In contrast, Putin has installed a Chechnyan strongman in control of Chechnya and has commissioned the building of a beautiful mosque in Moscow, inviting many Muslim leaders from Abbas to Erdogan to the opening. Xi is completely incapable of this, instead it is just crude regulations on religious practices which engenders more anger. Fucking retards, honestly.

I am not going go on the Xinjiang shitshow there is too many half truths,NGO funded crap, and lack luster Chinese responses to whats coming from outside from Western China, but I agree the USSR left the Russian Federation with a great sense of diplomatic and soft power disposal but in the 80s it was very stale like China now I watch archives for fun their main tv news program Vreyma was just like highlighting everything was good in USSR nothing bad until Chernoblyl occured this broke the Soviet propaganda system badly and it never recovered I know a few ex Soviet folks living here right after that incident most Russians and Soviets started turning to Short Wave radio from the west later when perostrokia happen Sat tv was beamed in with CNN and BBC and that kinda spell doom for the Soviet media in terms of info control now 2020s China has the same problem VPNs are giving a west a advantage to show PRC citizens "another side" or western angle but China has one advantage compared to USSR at controlling domestic media control China is more homogenous than USSR.China is like 90 percent Han USSR in 1989 was 70 percent Slavic and other 20 percent Turkic/Caucausian/Baltic but in terms of international soft power its learning from the Russians very well its a start

Muslim governments stay away from criticism because they still seek Chinese investment. But public opinion in the Muslim world is turning against China. So the propaganda is effective.

Depends Turkey is the only one but they are interests are not from a "Islamists" perspective they want Pan Turkic union with their "Turkic" brothers again its nonsense but this is their expansionists policy they want to do mix in Erdogan Islamists populism and Turkish hegemony in the Mid East they want to be strong power wont mean much Turks are nice people but their geo political strategy is pure nonsense

You would think that most people would understand this basic principle. But the majority of people are emotional and they will react to what they see on the media, regardless of whether it is true or not. Muslims can have both unfavorable views of the West and China at the same time, they don't discount one another.

In Pakistan most are more concerned about Kashmir and India than with China, please dont take this forum seriousy example they are lot of people living abroad in the diaspora who are mostly "Islamists" so their view of thinking is tad bit different from back home,Iran is too busy with KSA,and America, Arab states well incompentent as hell focus on themselves the only country left is Turkey and their lenses are from "Pan Turkic" not Islamist, in the west you have Muslims who may harbor concerns but Muslims in the west are from diverse political and national viewpoints and not centered on one community.

The majority of Islamic nations don't have beef with China. The anti-China hysteria created by the West is isolated to the Western world.

Muslim nations have friendly relations with China.

For the most part

For now. But public opinion is beginning to sour on China.

I dont think China should worry tbh,unless you pull a Soviet like invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 well different story but dont expect much besides online comments

 

[Dalit]

I am not going go on the Xinjiang shitshow there is too many half truths,NGO funded crap, and lack luster Chinese responses to whats coming from outside from Western China, but I agree the USSR left the Russian Federation with a great sense of diplomatic and soft power disposal but in the 80s it was very stale like China now I watch archives for fun their main tv news program Vreyma was just like highlighting everything was good in USSR nothing bad until Chernoblyl occured this broke the Soviet propaganda system badly and it never recovered I know a few ex Soviet folks living here right after that incident most Russians and Soviets started turning to Short Wave radio from west later when perostrokia happen Sat tv was beamed in with CNN and BBC and that kinda spell doom for the Soviet media in terms of info control now 2020s China has the same problem VPNs are giving a west a advantage to show PRC citizens "another side" or western angle but China has one advantage compared to USSR at controlling domestic media control China is more homogenous than USSR.China is like 90 percent Han USSR in 1989 was 70 percent Slavic and other 20 percent Turkic/Caucausian/Baltic but in terms of international soft power its learning from the Russians very well its a start



Depends Turkey is the only one but they are interests are not from a "Islamists" perspective they want Pan Turkic union with their "Turkic" brothers again its nonsense but this is their expansionists policy they want to do mix in Erdogan Islamists populism and Turkish hegemony in the Mid East they want to be strong power wont mean much Turks are nice people but their geo political strategy is pure nonsense



In Pakistan most are more concerned about Kashmir and India than with China, please dont take this forum serious example they are lot of people living abroad in the diaspora who are mostly "Islamists" so their view of thinking is tad bit different from back home,Iran is too busy with KSA,and America, Arab states well incompentent as hell focus on themselves the only country left is Turkey and their lenses are from "Pan Turkic" not Islamist, in the west you have Muslims who may harbor concerns but Muslims in the west are from diverse political and national viewpoints and not centered on one community.


For the most part



I dont think China should worry tbh,unless you pull a Soviet like invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 well different story but dont expect much besides online comments

It is absolute BS. The onesided hysteria in the Western world against China is a dead giveaway. The hypocrisy of the Western world reeks like a dead body. The sole reason for this hysteria is to grow resentment among Muslims for China. It is obvious as daylight.

The main reason why China feels the need to educate and integrate Uyghur community is to tackle extremism. Do things go wrong in the process? Of course they do. Should China punish the culprits? Most definitely. When the West tries to win hearts and minds through invasion and brute force bombings of Islamic nations we are supposed to look the other way and pretend it is in our best interest. Somehow with China we are supposed to believe that it is evil and out to get Muslims. It is BS. The West is doing another Cold War lie here. Only this time the target is China.

China might have flaws like any other country, but it is not a Muslim hater. Far from it. The one country that shouts and screams against China is in fact the Muslim hating nation. Not only by words, but also deeds. This particular country has a track record of supporting dictators and bombing Muslims.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Yes and this insular attitude goes from the top down. From Chinese leaders to the common person, China does not know how to communicate with or relate to other nations. Thus they are unable to influence public opinion in other countries. They are just seen as a huge selfish country that no one can communicate with and with weird people eating dogs and now bats.

Even the Chinese netizens here are clueless as far as how important image control is. The problem is that Chinese society has very little empathy so they barely even understand the point of view of other Chinese, let alone foreigners.

This is amusing. Talking about no self awareness and no empathy, from the likes of you. What a joke.

So what happened with UK and Huawei? Trump made a personal appeal to Boris Johnson to ban Huawei, what happened?

See, talk of personality this and that, it's all cheap shit that doesn't need evidence. That's why you do it. Yet you don't even realize the what Ina useful idiot you are. Do you even have white friends that will actually give up some of their own interests to help you? Did you even escape the bamboo ceiling? Have you even dated white women?

You spend all your time talking about Chinese this, Chinese that, yet they still don't offer you a well paid Gordon Chang talking head position. All your barking and not a single bone from the master. Pathetic.

 

[Dalit]

For now. But public opinion is beginning to sour on China.

You are mistaken. Just like you were mistaken on Iraqi WMDs. The world has changed. The world is smart.

 

[tower9]

This is amusing. Talking about no self awareness and no empathy, from the likes of you. What a joke.

So what happened with UK and Huawei? Trump made a personal appeal to Boris Johnson to ban Huawei, what happened?

See, talk of personality this and that, it's all cheap shit that doesn't need evidence. That's why you do it. Yet you don't even realize the what Ina useful idiot you are. Do you even have white friends that will actually give up some of their own interests to help you? Did you even escape the bamboo ceiling? Have you even dated white women?

You spend all your time talking about Chinese this, Chinese that, yet they still don't offer you a well paid Gordon Chang talking head position. All your barking and not a single bone from the master. Pathetic.

I've mostly only dated non-Asian women, including many White women.

And no, I'm not pro-White. I'm actually very critical of racist attitudes against Asians in America.

I'm stating facts about the reality of China's ineptitude in image management. But if you don't want to see it, like most of the other Chinese members here, go ahead but don't be surprised by the results.

It is absolute BS. The onesided hysteria in the Western world against China is a dead giveaway. The hypocrisy of the Western world reeks like a dead body. The sole reason for this hysteria is to grow resentment among Muslims for China. It is obvious as daylight.

The main reason why China feels the need to educate and integrate Uyghur community is to tackle extremism. Do things go wrong in the process? Of course they do. Should China punish the culprits? Most definitely. When the West tries to win hearts and minds through invasion and brute force bombings of Islamic nations we are supposed to look the other way and pretend it is in our best interest. Somehow with China we are supposed to believe that it is evil and out to get Muslims. It is BS. The West is doing another Cold War lie here. Only this time the target is China.

China might have flaws like any other country, but it is not a Muslim hater. Far from it. The one country that shouts and screams against China is in fact the Muslim hating nation. Not only by words, but also deeds. This particular country has a track record of supporting dictators and bombing Muslims.

Most of the biggest proponents of the Uyghur concentration camps are people like Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Pompeo who support the Muslim ban and drone strikes on Muslim civilians. So that in itself is a dead giveaway.

You may be right that public opinion in the Muslim world may not be turning dramatically against China, but it has been very effective in turning the Western Muslim immigrant community anti-China in a short period of time. I've even heard some people say that China has KILLED millions of Muslims after feeding them pork and alcohol even though there isn't even proof that one person has been killed.

 

[HaMoTZeMaS]

China does have some catchup to do with this regard. You won't win the WASP market, they are in it together, the North Americans, English speaking Western Europeans - on the same page, very similar interests. However even then, people within the EU are willing to toe an independent line, and the rest of the world is defintely somewhere China can expand it's influence.

You have to export your culture, have people to people contacts, and have a more plural world view. The Americans impose their own ways on people, but they do it in a way where it seems like you have a choice, almost like its the right thing to do.

We have been facing them for decades now. So China should tag with us in this realm

 

[hirobo2]

I've mostly only dated non-Asian women, including many White women.

And no, I'm not pro-White. I'm actually very critical of racist attitudes against Asians in America.

I'm stating facts about the reality of China's ineptitude in image management. But if you don't want to see it, like most of the other Chinese members here, go ahead but don't be surprised by the results.



Most of the biggest proponents of the Uyghur concentration camps are people like Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Pompeo who support the Muslim ban and drone strikes on Muslim civilians. So that in itself is a dead giveaway.

You may be right that public opinion in the Muslim world may not be turning dramatically against China, but it has been very effective in turning the Western Muslim immigrant community anti-China in a short period of time. I've even heard some people say that China has KILLED millions of Muslims after feeding them pork and alcohol even though there isn't even proof that one person has been killed.

Ew, the only women I find attractive r mainland Chinese and some Japanese. To me, white women seem even uglier than South Koreans...

 

[Yankee-stani]

I've mostly only dated non-Asian women, including many White women.

And no, I'm not pro-White. I'm actually very critical of racist attitudes against Asians in America.

I'm stating facts about the reality of China's ineptitude in image management. But if you don't want to see it, like most of the other Chinese members here, go ahead but don't be surprised by the results.



Most of the biggest proponents of the Uyghur concentration camps are people like Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Pompeo who support the Muslim ban and drone strikes on Muslim civilians. So that in itself is a dead giveaway.

You may be right that public opinion in the Muslim world may not be turning dramatically against China, but it has been very effective in turning the Western Muslim immigrant community anti-China in a short period of time. I've even heard some people say that China has KILLED millions of Muslims after feeding them pork and alcohol even though there isn't even proof that one person has been killed.

I really dont take the immigrant Western/American "Muslims" seriously lots of them are traitors to their homelands groups like CAIR,MPAC and Soundvision are with the Democratic Party in the US and with neo-liberal establishment groups tied to the Clintons many even celebrated when Syria was getting bombed and Gaddafi was getting anally raped in 2011 besides like I said Muslims are not monolith in opinions in the west we come from every corner of the world so views are different from national origin ask folks like @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @Old School who have dealt with them also, heck you Chinese have the same issue ,I live not far from Flushing Chinatown in Queens,NY and we have Falun Gong and pro CCP shrills propgating their views via shadowy cultural/political groups and their own media outlets the CCP shrills have SinoVison/World Journal and Falun Gong shrills have NTD TV/Epoch Times so in the west you always gonna find fifth column shrills living and being pampered by the State Dept. be it Baloch sepratists in Texas,Neo liberal Pakistanis in Virginia, LA Iranians who are pro Shah loyalists,Taiwanese Falun Gong freaks in NYC/LA or Guansano Cubans/Venezeuelans in Miami very common tactic by the US use influential diaspora groups to pressure rivals