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Top 3 best and worst Ottoman/Turkish generals

I want to add some forgotten Generals her.

Oghuz Khan: Semi-mythological ancestor of all Turks.

Bumin Khan: Founder of Göktürk Empire, Before him Turks were the slaves of Juan-Juan's. He was the first one to unite Turkic tribes and found a nation. He later on won many battles and eradicate Juan-Juan's from the face of earth.

Kül Tigin: Brother of Bilge Khan. Master of all weapons. He fought many battles, never lost one. He managed to change the tide of the battles with his heroism. Most renowned incident; where he managed to kill 9 chinese soldiers despite of being surrounded and having only a dagger to fight with. Chinese sources labeled him as "Undefeatable Warrior"
 
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What would we have gained if he didn't make that mistake?


What did he do right? Enver also put us into WW1 along side the Germans who lost. IMHO it is a good thing he died in Caucasus campaign. God knows what kind of damage he could have inflicted if he lived longer.


Admit it :D you can't come up with six names.
He was with the Young Turks,took Edirne back,and he got rid of the Armenian gangs;).
 
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Lets not forget Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent with the Battle of Mohacs where he annihilated the whole Hungarian army merely in 2 Hours.

 
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I think lists for Ottoman/Turkish vs. Turkic/Turk/Turkish should be separate, despite being essentially all one people, as it's hard to compare modern generals like Ataturk, Evren, Kivrikoglu, etc., to Alp Arslan, Bilgi Kagan, etc., and there are just too many great military hero's in the history of Turkic people. Just because many of us never heard of some of them doesn't mean they are not famous - it only means we have limited education on the issue.

Also, should they be combat-proven generals or not?

Finally, since we saw mythical leaders like Oghuz Khan included - then we should definitely include Alp Er Tunga (Afrasiyab) - the greatest known Turkic/Turanic warrior of all times, thanks to Turkish and Persian poems of 10th-11th centuries.

For Ottoman, Young Turk and Turkish generals, do not forget to include Gen. Kazim Karabekir Pasha, as well as Nuri Pasha, the brother of Enver Pasha. The former defeated Armenia and its allies (Russia, UK, etc) within one month in September 1920, and the latter helped defeat the British, Russians and Armenians in Baku in September 1918 commanding the combined "Caucasus Army of Islam" that consisted of 1,500 Turks and 1,500 Azerbaijani Turks.

Meanwhile, for Turkic generals - everyone from Turkic khaganate's founders to the founders of Khazar, Ghaznevid, Atabeg, Safavid, Afshar, Kara-Koyunly, Ak-Goyunly, Mughal, and other Turkic empires. These were outstanding military leaders - and often they fought each other, such as Ottomans vs. Safavids. It's hard to "rank" them from the top of the head - too much data is needed.

For modern Turkic generals - there is an entire generation of very famous "Russian" generals and admirals who were actually of Tatar and Bashkir origin, such as Admiral Ushakov (18 century), and more recently, Army General Makhmud Gareev (still alive).

Maj-Gen. Sabir Rakhimov, a Kazakh Turk, who was "Hero of Soviet Union" (the highest military order of USSR), and whom Stalin called his "General of Steel", killed in action in 1945.

First-ever full army (artillery) general of Muslim origin in the Russian Empire - an Azerbaijani Turk, originally from the Karabakh region of Azerbaijan, Gen. Samad Mekhmandarov. There are several early 20th century Russian books about Gen. Mekhmandarov, who was the hero of Russian defense of Port Arthur in the Pacific against the Japanese.

Second Muslim general, an Azerbaijani Turk, Artillery General Ali Agha Shikhlinski, who was known as the "God of Russian artillery" and the inventor of "triangle of Shikhlinski" - used widely in many artillery schools in Europe and Russia (it allowed to more quickly calculate and triangulate positions).

Another top full army (cavalry) general was Huseyn Khan Nakhichevanski, also an Azerbaijani Turk, who was one of only 3 "Russian" generals to refuse to switch his allegiance from the Russian Czar in 1918 (which 99% of all other Russian generals did, and thus became Soviet generals), and thus was executed by the Bolsheviks.

Maj-Gen. Hazi Aslanov, an Azerbaijani, who was twice (2) Hero of Soviet Union (the only Muslim to get the highest Soviet military distinction in WWII twice), killed in action on January 1945. The main Soviet newspaper "PRAVDA" wrote back then: "the enemy [Nazi German tanks] must be hunted down the way Aslanov does it".

And last but not least Gen. Kerim Kerimov, an Azerbaijani, who was world's first Space Forces General, Chairman of Soviet State Space Commission, and whose face and identity were top-secret and never shown, he sent into space all Soviet cosmonauts starting with Yury Gagarin. While he was more of a scientist and engineer than a combat leader, but since the space is the final frontier, he deserves a special recognition. He passed away only 10 years ago.
 
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Pointless, Its a very huge time frame there are too many good and bad military leaders chosing 3 would be not even close to reality

Ataturk was a great political leader , but his military career is not that great , I dont mean bad but clearly not plays for top , I cant recall any military genuises from Republic period as well
 
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Pointless, Its a very huge time frame there are too many good and bad military leaders chosing 3 would be not even close to reality

Ataturk was a great political leader , but his military career is not that great , I dont mean bad but clearly not plays for top , I cant recall any military genuises from Republic period as well

It is just personal top 3. No need to make a fuss about it. Just list your favorites. If top 3 is not enough. Make top 10. If top 10 is not enough for ya. Make top 1000. If you can't come up with any names. Don't bother.
 
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Lets not forget Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent with the Battle of Mohacs where he annihilated the whole Hungarian army merely in 2 Hours.

Hmm,i always found Mohacs a normal outcome,the hungarians were outnumbered and outgunned,many nobles didn't answer their kings calling or they did it to late,the croatian ,bohemian troops and 10.000 men under Zapolyai didn't make it in time.Those are important numbers.
 
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Hmm,i always found Mohacs a normal outcome,the hungarians were outnumbered and outgunned,many nobles didn't answer their kings calling or they did it to late,the croatian ,bohemian troops and 10.000 men under Zapolyai didn't make it in time.Those are important numbers.

Mate you got point but we are talking about a confirmed one of histories shortest battle. Deploying excellent tactics to keep casualties at minimum.

And i always find the sides of the battle pretty amusing.

Ottoman Empire vs, Kingdom of Hungary, Kingdom of Croatia, Kingdom of Bohemia, Holy Roman Empire, Bavaria, Papal States, Kingdom of Poland

This victory led Ottoman's to siege of Vienna. Our final frontier. I have looked to Vienna's geographical location, it's like a gateway in the middle of mountain lines. I think, nothing would have changed even if we did conquered Vienna as the Ottomans were in decline but that would be enough reason to West Europeans to **** in their pants.
 
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Hmm,i always found Mohacs a normal outcome,the hungarians were outnumbered and outgunned,many nobles didn't answer their kings calling or they did it to late,the croatian ,bohemian troops and 10.000 men under Zapolyai didn't make it in time.Those are important numbers.

That's indeed important to consider. Typically, Turkic military leaders won their battles and wars inspite of being themselves outnumbered 3:1 - this was true of Sultan Fatih Mehmet the Conqueror, for example, or Shah Ismail Safavi and his Qizilbash.
 
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Mate you got point but we are talking about a confirmed one of histories shortest battle. Deploying excellent tactics to keep casualties at minimum.

And i always find the sides of the battle pretty amusing.

Ottoman Empire vs, Kingdom of Hungary, Kingdom of Croatia, Kingdom of Bohemia, Holy Roman Empire, Bavaria, Papal States, Kingdom of Poland

This victory led Ottoman's to siege of Vienna. Our final frontier. I have looked to Vienna's geographical location, it's like a gateway in the middle of mountain lines. I think, nothing would have changed even if we did conquered Vienna as the Ottomans were in decline but that would be enough reason to West Europeans to **** in their pants.

There was a "Holly alliance" in place,problem was that the allies didn't send Louis no help.:))
The battle was short because of the sheer stupidity of the european knights.You would think that after Nicopolis or more recently Varna they would have learned that you can't defeat a modern ottoman army which fought in a combination of cavalry,infantry with artillery,archers and musquets with a heavy knight charge....but no...they still did the heavy charge,outcome?...as usual...massacre.
I remember when i started reading as a child about these battles and soon after some battles moving to another and started reading "the knights charged...." i was instantly telling to myself.."oh no!! the retards are again charging like a mindless herbivor" :))


That's indeed important to consider. Typically, Turkic military leaders won their battles and wars inspite of being themselves outnumbered 3:1 - this was true of Sultan Fatih Mehmet the Conqueror, for example, or Shah Ismail Safavi and his Qizilbash.

I'm sry to be misinformed but in which battle was Mehmet outnumbered? I really don't know one...
 
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