‘Too upset and angry’: Muslim teen barred from top London school for wearing veil quits

[narcon]

70000 is reported by UK government and I have message for you ignorants stay away

People are never so completely and enthusiastically evil as when they act out of religious conviction..

With the help of God, they justify the unjustifiable

 

[Fireurimagination]

If Allah wanted women to cover the faces then why would he give them unique and beautiful faces, a box with holes would have just been fine

 

[Jaam92]

All Muslim country should do something to answer this act
All women come any Muslim country should wear Islamic Gown

 

[narcon]

70000 is reported by UK government and I have message for you ignorants stay away

Youngsters like you should help your own nation build-up by pragmatic ideas because your nation is on drip system,,,

 

[Zarvan]

People are never so completely and enthusiastically evil as when they act out of religious conviction..

With the help of God, they justify the unjustifiable

Yes both world wars were fought because off religion and also nukes on two cities were thrown because off religion

 

[Hiptullha]

Youngsters like you should help your own nation build-up by pragmatic ideas because your nation is on drip system,,,View attachment 89840

Don't divert.

 

[narcon]

Yes both world wars were fought because off religion and also nukes on two cities were thrown because off religion

Past won't fetch you any candies...
During forties some nuggets were missing:

Saudi crude oil = Cash Machine = Wahabi lift = International funding = Peddling terrorism.
Now the situation is ripe, for the numbers are swollen. Before they were not.
Religion WILL bring the 3rd world war. Stay tuned.

Don't divert.

These are stats..
Learn from them. Boost your numbers..Match other countries and grow without grumbling..

 

[Dubious]

If you are not following rules and culture. You are still immigrant

Please tell me where such a definition comes from....By this standards any WHITE going into American / Australian/ Canadian jail is a immigrant ....talk about habit of labeling things

As UK, France was also one of the same but you ruined the case by providing such theory. Now, you suffer! Wait for UK and other west on the same path.

And both these just shows your mentality level

 

[Dubious]

We have already been over the security issues many times but here I was mentioning other reasons that are correlated to this. Any type of covering regardless of religious or personal reasons that choose to conceal face should not be allowed based on the reality we are currently living in(ie. global events). However this is about an institution that has it's own set of regulations and we have to respect their right. Concealing your face by any common sense logic does not improve interaction nor learning however I am sure you will cry about it using tolerance or other forms of values that could counter act my point(bleeding hearts).

Yes and no....

Yes we have to respect their right....No coz their own rules didnt say so in black and white and in post 351....it all SUDDENLY started when she moved into A levels....while her seniors (previous) students had done all that without this fear lingering in some management's mind!

So lets see...some NEW FORM OF FEAR lingering enough to deject an idea the school HAS BEEN practicing for awhile now = phobia .... In this case phobia against face veil....

A similar but not exactly the same situation is phobia against own hormones (in Saudi) hence = cover up the woman

In both cases woman becomes the victim of someone else's phobia!

Now based on the observation of your views, I can assume that the separation of church n state or mosque and state is probably against your core ideology since you dodged my question about secularism.

I never dodged it but repeatedly asked you define the word so I can tell you where I stand however, you dodged both my requests for you to define the word...Now like you ASSUMED what you did I can also ASSUME you know not what secularism is and that is why you dodged my question...

But I am not going to answer something which you wont define for me coz whatever meaning I get online (liberal tolerant) doesnt seem to be practiced in the West and yet they want to call themselves just that....

So if I find a meaning for secularism and it is not practiced and then you will say something else...so I left you with 1 question define it!

However since you did bring up the islamophobic card so I can only reiterate that I am a practicing muslim and that card may work on a non-muslim but I am not bleeding heart liberal so lets move on.

I already described what a phobia is in the beginning of this post and how others suffer coz someone else is subjected to this fear...

This case wouldnt have been an issue had the school took off its hypocritical stance and just came out and said due to security reasons we no longer tolerate face veils instead of barring her from the school due to her choice....

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Does this look like a burqa?

They should ban hoodies!

People misuse guns too...shouldnt America ban guns? Does anyone blame a gun for shooting someone or the individual shooter?

This is a problem you need to open your eyes to and having lost an extended family to these animals, I can attest it is part of a systematic problem that breeds these losers heading into syria.

Painting everyone with the same brush should be a crime coz it def isnt polite!

Tolerance is a two way street and as a muslim, I feel depressed looking at the numbers above and so may be it's time to take the viel off and face the reality of the world(no puns intended).

Do you think those men who went to Syria were wearing veils or would ever do so?

And yes it is depressing but the ever growing fear of the veil isnt the answer....in fact UK is going back into the 60s -80s where they bullied the Asian immigrants SOO much that we see the effect even 3 generations later where the people are too fearful to integrate and paint every white with the same brush...and have taught their kids to hate the whites coz of what happened to them back in the 60s - 80s....And now the new generation would tell their kids the same story of how their choices were questioned and they were not allowed anything but only allowed what the Whites want - I wish not to list how many new laws have been adjusted from gay rights (which mind you was also alien) to everything for the Whites and after how much research on how bullying did not allow integration rights for minorities, immigrants and all were put into place to allow them not to feel alienated but all is being undo coz of some 100 -1000 people a million who mind their own business pay the price....Why? coz someone has developed un necessary fear and some how managed to project it to others!

This is an issue no one wishes to discuss...their own fear/ phobia/ or whatever that makes a 3rd generation British still a THEM...

Look akhelios, the veil is a security threat and simply does not belong in a 21st century context(atleast not in western world

That is your opinion...there are many like this girl who doesnt feel so and hence uses it....she isnt even uneducated, nor forced coz she chose it after summer...

IN AN IDEAL WORLD, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU BASED ON PRINCIPLE OF TOLERANCE, HOWEVER WE LIVE IN A WORLD WITH MONSTERS LIKE THE ONES LISTED ON THE CHART. OPEN YOUR EYES

We live in a world of monsters yes but we live in a coward world too...where just due to media projection of 100-1000 we have started overlooking at individuality ....

 

[Audio]

What's the problem here?

Just move to where you're allowed to keep burqa on. Simple.
Education will not be as good, power outages might be frequent, there might be a bomb blast or two, but hey, you've got your faith and all will be okay, amirite?

in fact UK is going back into the 60s -80s where they bullied the Asian immigrants SOO much that we see the effect even 3 generations later where the people are too fearful to integrate and paint every white with the same brush

lmao. Please.
I assume preying on weak individuals infront of community homes is a manifestation of that fear. Raping while yelling "you're my white bitch", poor Abu, he was just scared. He tried to fit in the best he could, that with no lube even. Pun intended!

 

[Dubious]

Just move to where you're allowed to keep burqa on.

She born and raised in UK....how is shooing out European citizens sound logical?

Why coz she voiced out that it is her choice so she needs to be sent to a place where she cant voice? Lovely mind set no different than that of Saudi....where they cant control their hormones so they cover up the ladies....

both are extremist views...

Education will not be as good, power outages might be frequent, there might be a bomb blast or two, but hey, you've got your faith and all will be okay, amirite?

Equating 1 girls choice or that of a 1000 to terrorist is really showing phobia of the very culture you people claim to be tolerant off...shows equality to Saudi mindset when they say we have accepted Mc.D and so we have accepted Western culture

I assume preying on weak individuals infront of community homes is a manifestation of that fear.

Raping while yelling "you're my white bitch", poor Abu, he was just scared. He tried to fit in the best he could, that with no lube even. Pun intended!

This I never supported and I have voiced in the related threads....but phobia of the police to relabeled something made them incapable of doing their job (they knew of these crimes- a journalist had already shown written evidence and also presented how 3yrs ago he/ she came forward to the police to point it out but the police did nothing) ....now same phobia of face veil is making people incapable of sound arguments


As for you language I have reported it... I dont find it useful for you to hit below the belt and cover it up as sarcasm...


And you have no idea what fear can do to people...it sure made tens of thousands in capable of integrating with the locals for 3 generations and creating all sorts of miscommunications, misunderstandings which have not been tweaked out and another one has started...but god forbid if society is asked to use their mind to think of good...like how to stop living in phobia...

The 60s phobia led to a society that not only fears but hates their hosts ....

now the new phobia is making the host hate their guests....

 

[DingDong]

She born and raised in UK....how is shooing out European citizens sound logical?

Why coz she voiced out that it is her choice so she needs to be sent to a place where she cant voice? Lovely mind set no different than that of Saudi....where they cant control their hormones so they cover up the ladies....

both are extremist views...



Equating 1 girls choice or that of a 1000 to terrorist is really showing phobia of the very culture you people claim to be tolerant off...shows equality to Saudi mindset when they say we have accepted Mc.D and so we have accepted Western culture





This I never supported and I have voiced in the related threads....but phobia of the police to relabeled something made them incapable of doing their job (they knew of these crimes- a journalist had already shown written evidence and also presented how 3yrs ago he/ she came forward to the police to point it out but the police did nothing) ....now same phobia of face veil is making people incapable of sound arguments


As for you language I have reported it... I dont find it useful for you to hit below the belt and cover it up as sarcasm...


And you have no idea what fear can do to people...it sure made tens of thousands in capable of integrating with the locals for 3 generations and creating all sorts of miscommunications, misunderstandings which have not been tweaked out and another one has started...but god forbid if society is asked to use their mind to think of good...like how to stop living in phobia...

The 60s phobia led to a society that not only fears but hates their hosts ....

now the new phobia is making the host hate their guests....

A non-Muslim born in Pakistan cannot become President of Pakistan, doesn't sound logical to me. If the open societies allow this BS to go on, one day they will face ISIS on their own soil, and people will get shot/beheaded for Blasphemy.

 

[Audio]

She born and raised in UK....how is shooing out European citizens sound logical?

Doesn't matter if she was born and raised in UK. If she feels her rights would be better respected somewhere else, she is free to leave. Plenty people leave UK, mostly in old age, supposedly because of the friendlier weather in southern France. She'll just move for different reasons.

Why coz she voiced out that it is her choice so she needs to be sent to a place where she cant voice? Lovely mind set no different than that of Saudi....where they cant control their hormones so they cover up the ladies....both are extremist views...

Sure, extremist. I'd say sacrificing education for a piece of cloth is extreme. I'd say trying to shove your way down others for sake of "religious freedom" is extreme. And by this is mean, if she is allowed to keep burqa, it's automatically discrimination towards anyone else that wants to dress differently but can't because of school rules.

Equating 1 girls choice or that of a 1000 to terrorist is really showing phobia of the very culture you people claim to be tolerant off...shows equality to Saudi mindset when they say we have accepted Mc.D and so we have accepted Western culture

How did you come to this conclusion. I merely stated the disadvantages of living in a burqa friendly country. I think if she has strong faith, she will overcome all these difficulties. After all, these are mere inconveniences.

Rest i chose not to respond as it's LOL. Fear huh? Fear doesn't make you drop out of school so you inevitably become a social outcast later on, doesn't make you go and rape etc etc etc.....

If by fear you mean, fear of the system, or perhaps, fear of failure due to the harsh nature of the system, grow up, everyone has that fear.

 

[Dubious]

A non-Muslim born in Pakistan cannot become President of Pakistan, doesn't sound logical to me. If the open societies allow this BS to go on, one day they will face ISIS on their own soil, and people will get shot/beheaded for Blasphemy.

Pakistan is not a secular nor do they hide behind fake advertisement of their reputation....neither Pakistan claimed it nor its citizens...Maybe you should try reading some posts where this was answered more than 3 times in THIS THREAD ALONE

 

[Zarvan]

A non-Muslim born in Pakistan cannot become President of Pakistan, doesn't sound logical to me. If the open societies allow this BS to go on, one day they will face ISIS on their own soil, and people will get shot/beheaded for Blasphemy.

If open socities ban niqab and keep pushing Muslims to the wall than for sure they would really soon face ISIS and AL QAEDA is Europe with lot off support from local Muslims