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To Talk or not to Talk[ Gen Tariq's take on Niazi's talks with terrorists]

I think we need to look at this in another way. This traitor Imran Khan has been trying to teach the Taliban that 'war is no solution', and 'give peace a chance', and 'there should be inclusive government'. The greatest trolling the Taliban could do was to come right back and say 'Live your own teachings and negotiate with these TTP criminals'. This traitor has backed us into a wall by giving irresponsible statements and now we are living the pacifist life.

I also want to ask the question: if Imran Khan is a pacifist, what right does he have to impose his pacifism on Pakistan? Is Iman Khan a dictator? A fascist? A ruler? Is he running Pakistan like his own kingdom? Why is Pakistan becoming a reflection of Imran Khan's personal whims?

Imran Khan is the elected Prime Minister of Pakistan. And people who voted for him, including yours truly, knew exactly who they were voting for. So yes, he has every right to make these decisions on our behalf.

Stop blindly worshipping your white daddies. They have been proven very wrong very recently (hint: in Afghanistan). Negotiation is the only way out of this mess. Khan sb said it many years ago and he was proven right. He will again prove to be right for this nation Insha'Allah.
 
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Extremism in the defence of liberty is not vice and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. – Barry Goldwater

‘Go and learn Islam from Bush’, were the taunts my men suffered as they patrolled the streets of Jandola. It was demoralizing to the rank and file and confused the issue of who was the enemy and who was friend. It was a difficult situation with Muslims facing Muslims in a war that few understood and even lesser wanted to fight. I had to step in then, reshape the narrative, define values and develop objectives so that the rank and file had a purpose and direction with which they could participate in this conflict from a high moral platform. My men were convinced and we succeeded. We cleared 3500 miles of lines of communication, stabilized 48000 square kilometers of violence infested combat zone involving 7 tribal agencies and 4 frontier regions. We established the writ of the government, we evacuated 2.5 million people from their homes in Swat, put them into camps in Rustam, near Mardan, with smart cards to spend for basic needs and education for their children. We cleared Swat and took these people back to their homes within three months. This is an unprecedented story in the annals of military history anywhere in the world.

As we moved from one conflict zone to another, I lost so many fine young men – officers and soldiers that at times I questioned myself for my competence, methods and mannerism. It is difficult to ask people to die, when you know some of them will, where areas have to be wrested by force and spaces occupied freed and from hostile forces. People have forgotten how war was declared on the State of Pakistan in January 2008 by the TTP, where they bragged that they ‘would set the ground on fire beneath our feet’. Yes, memories are short – when the Government of KP was contemplating shifting to Abbottabad, when the Peshawar International Airport was shut down, When the Kohat tunnel was closed and we were fighting for our survival – all forgotten so easily. We won eventually, so much so, that a woman stood for elections from Bajaur, while a cricket stadium accommodated thousands who thronged to watch a cricket match in the tribal belt or with the roaring success of the Girls Cadet College in Kurram Agency.

Yet what do have to show for it as soldiers, and the rank and file. In parliament, Atta ur Rehman, says ‘what has this Army ever done for us?’ Then we are welcomed by the new philosophical thought, that this was never even our war! And now, those we routed and defeated and who ran to seek refuge in Afghanistan, survived with handouts from RAW, CIA and NDS, are coming home once again. I know how difficult it was to motivate men to undertake this conflict and save Pakistan then but I can say this with authority and qualification, that now there is no narrative foreseeable in the future that can be proffered to this Army, if God forbid, we go into such a conflict again. After all, why would these men and officers fight now for the State of Pakistan: for the judiciary where justice at best is questionable, for the parliamentarians whose leaked videos surface time and again on a routine basis for the hapless people of this nation to watch in amazement or for the executives who claim that this was never our war in the first place. So having covered the pillars of State, who is left – the linesman who steals from you or the police that rob you or the maulvi who fools you – who should the soldier fight for and to preserve what integrity, honour and freedom? Tell me which narrative will work now? Will the pay be enough to take men into battle and do men die because that’s what they are paid to do, as Mehmud Achakzai says?

The TTP were a force built on criminals who robbed people at gunpoint. They slowly organized themselves into a vicious militant force that never had any strategy other than clearing spaces, challenging the State and collecting revenue through coercion. Assisted and funded by hostile agencies, the TTP used terror as a tactic and targeted anyone who disagreed with them. The main cause of their temporary success was the absence of government. However, when finally routed by the Frontier Corp and the Army, those who could escaped to Afghanistan, Kunar Province where the Governor called it a refugee Camp and the Afghans claimed that these were Pakistani Refugees. They were resourced and trained by Raw, CIA and NDS to continue militancy against the Pakistan but were by and large successfully contained by our own troops. This defeated force re labelled themselves as Khorasan Daesh and quickly passed themselves off as the ISIS. Their only and sole objective is to destabilize Pakistan at the behest of their handlers and if that objective is removed, the TTP would cease to exist.

Now that the Afghan Government has collapsed, the US forces have withdrawn and India is out of Afghanistan, the TTP, or whatever they wish to call themselves, have found that they are in a very difficult position. The present Taliban Government has already started clearing them out. Without space and resource, the already defeated TTP, is out on a limb. And it is amazing that it is now that the Government of Pakistan has decided that they should negotiate with them. Negotiate what? I will not challenge the Government’s decision since I do not have all the intelligence information or a clear picture of the environment and will assume that the Government – which does, is doing what it thinks is the right thing and in the interest of the State. I will however, contribute my sense of the environment to be analyzed by the Government as an input to be considered before being rejected.

    1. The TTP has already signed a number of treaties over the years that it continually reneged on and was never serious in keeping their end of the bargain in any of them. Even now the offer by the Government appears to be one made from desperation and weakness (at least that is how they see it) but they, the Taliban, will not commit to any cease fire. The TTP, as an organization who sees ‘peace’ as its own death-knell and is not likely to undertake a process other than physical conflict. Once they lose the rank and file, they are lost and will not survive. The leadership would rather die than agree to such a peace.
    2. The last time, the Government, decided, under the slogan of ‘Give peace a Chance’, handed over Swat to Sufi Muhammed and the people of the Malakand Division were surrendered to the Taliban without even being asked. A parallel Constitution was allowed to be administered and the Government had hoped that this would bring peace. Instead we had to undertake major operations in Buner and the Swat Valley to reestablish the State’s writ that had been voluntarily forfeited.
    3. I have not forgotten the picture of the girl in red, spread eagled on the ground in the market square of Mingora, where she was whipped publicly. That day I bowed my head in shame and wondered why I wore a uniform that reflected protection to the people and the State. It was difficult to hold back tears in the face of what appeared to be an abject failure and one’s self being so central to it. Please, I implore, do not do this to us again.
    4. The TTP conflict was a tribal affair played out at a National Level, where the conventional leadership (Mushers) were decapitated. This led to usurpation of the tribes by people who hi-jacked tribal life and living. They coerced people and forced young men to join their ranks at gun point. There were kidnappings and murders. The TTP has a lot to answer to their own respective tribes. No one else can settle this and if anyone does, it will lead to an alienated tribal society that will always be in search of justice. It would lead to feuds and wars amongst tribes for years to come. It is thus suggested, humbly, please let the tribes handle this and the Government should only facilitate the process. The TTP who are willing to give up their old ways, need to appear before their respective tribal jirgas who should decide what should be done with them. No one else can reconcile on the behalf of the tribes.
    5. In the event the Government thinks it can negotiate with the TTP; what would be salient lines to follow for such negotiations? Would the TTP disarm and get integrated into society voluntarily just because they were requested to? Would the Government offer them an incentive and would that incentive look like a sell-out to some of us?
    6. Having integrated the TTP into our folds once again what safe guards would the government take to ensure that they are not being handled by hostile foreign agencies?
Last of all, there is a famous saying, ‘If it ain’t broken, why fix it?’ The Government appears to be in such indecent haste to settle something which does not need settling at present. The Afghan Taliban are trying to convince the Pakistan Government and the TTP to come to terms but it is not for them to decide such things. Let the defeated TTP make public statements acknowledging the wrong they have done and apologize to the tribes and the people of Pakistan before the Government needs to do anything at all. I know there are some who feel this may stop bloodshed, but please take it from someone who has been in it and knows, it will probably lead to far more violence and bloodshed than one can even contemplate. History remains a testimonial record of how such things eventually unfold. We have been down this road before many a times. Remember, repeating the same thing over and over again hoping for a different result is a sign of insanity, Einstein.

 
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Can we declare this guy our national guru?
His clarity of thought is awesome but I am not too sure we are using his services correctly

As he is the CEO of fauji fertilizer...
 
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Pathetic are experienced generals are renegading to either serving the interests of other nations (US Uk KSA) or writing articles for news papers.

We need someone like General Tariq Khan as our interior or defence minister. Similar to whats done in the west or israel. Instead we have incompotents.
 
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Pathetic are experienced generals are renegading to either serving the interests of other nations (US Uk KSA) or writing articles for news papers.

We need someone like General Tariq Khan as our interior or defence minister. Similar to whats done in the west or israel. Instead we have incompotents.
Judging by his intellect and his ability to analyze national security matters perfectly, he deserves Prime Minister.
 
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Why no civilian end up writing these? One would imagine that they have the biggest stake in it.




No one else can settle this and if anyone does, it will lead to an alienated tribal society that will always be in search of justice. It would lead to feuds and wars amongst tribes for years to come. It is thus suggested, humbly, please let the tribes handle this and the Government should only facilitate the process. The TTP who are willing to give up their old ways, need to appear before their respective tribal jirgas who should decide what should be done with them. No one else can reconcile on the behalf of the tribes.
Tribal jirgas should be banned by the supreme court. There cannot be multiple judicial systems in the country. Offer them to be tried under federal shariah court.
 
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We all know that any truce or deal with TTP is bound to fail like dozens of those deals which were made and broken by TTP to regroup itself and attack Pak afterwards. TTP would cease to exist if it doesn't fight and survival of TTP is in fighting. Submissive Bajwa does not believe in fighting with anyone let alone India and together with another pacifist IK would give the new life of TTP.

Make no mistake. Today the terrorist attacks in major cities are stopped only because of military actions not peace deals.
 
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General Tariq says that TTP was routed from agencies and was then sheltered in nangarhar and paktia by NDS, CIA, RAW!
Why they were never targeted and eliminated there by Pakistan Army???
If infestation is left it finds a way to come back.
PA fought bravely to fight with TTP and driving them out but that was not a lasting success. The enemy was bound to return in same coin with TTP as Pakistan did with afghan taliban. Every silly civilian like me understood it but not Gen. Tariq and army establishment. They thought fence will stop them. But is it possible to completely control border movement? Every inch of border cannot be watched even if using motion sensors and drones.
 
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To Talk or not to Talk

Lt. General Tariq Khan (Retired) Lt. General Tariq Khan (Retired)
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Extremism in the defence of liberty is not vice and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. – Barry Goldwater

‘Go and learn Islam from Bush’, were the taunts my men suffered as they patrolled the streets of Jandola. It was demoralizing to the rank and file and confused the issue of who was the enemy and who was friend. It was a difficult situation with Muslims facing Muslims in a war that few understood and even lesser wanted to fight. I had to step in then, reshape the narrative, define values and develop objectives so that the rank and file had a purpose and direction with which they could participate in this conflict from a high moral platform. My men were convinced and we succeeded. We cleared 3500 miles of lines of communication, stabilized 48000 square kilometers of violence infested combat zone involving 7 tribal agencies and 4 frontier regions. We established the writ of the government, we evacuated 2.5 million people from their homes in Swat, put them into camps in Rustam, near Mardan, with smart cards to spend for basic needs and education for their children. We cleared Swat and took these people back to their homes within three months. This is an unprecedented story in the annals of military history anywhere in the world.

As we moved from one conflict zone to another, I lost so many fine young men – officers and soldiers that at times I questioned myself for my competence, methods and mannerism. It is difficult to ask people to die, when you know some of them will, where areas have to be wrested by force and spaces occupied freed and from hostile forces. People have forgotten how war was declared on the State of Pakistan in January 2008 by the TTP, where they bragged that they ‘would set the ground on fire beneath our feet’. Yes, memories are short – when the Government of KP was contemplating shifting to Abbottabad, when the Peshawar International Airport was shut down, When the Kohat tunnel was closed and we were fighting for our survival – all forgotten so easily. We won eventually, so much so, that a woman stood for elections from Bajaur, while a cricket stadium accommodated thousands who thronged to watch a cricket match in the tribal belt or with the roaring success of the Girls Cadet College in Kurram Agency.

Yet what do have to show for it as soldiers, and the rank and file. In parliament, Atta ur Rehman, says ‘what has this Army ever done for us?’ Then we are welcomed by the new philosophical thought, that this was never even our war! And now, those we routed and defeated and who ran to seek refuge in Afghanistan, survived with handouts from RAW, CIA and NDS, are coming home once again. I know how difficult it was to motivate men to undertake this conflict and save Pakistan then but I can say this with authority and qualification, that now there is no narrative foreseeable in the future that can be proffered to this Army, if God forbid, we go into such a conflict again. After all, why would these men and officers fight now for the State of Pakistan: for the judiciary where justice at best is questionable, for the parliamentarians whose leaked videos surface time and again on a routine basis for the hapless people of this nation to watch in amazement or for the executives who claim that this was never our war in the first place. So having covered the pillars of State, who is left – the linesman who steals from you or the police that rob you or the maulvi who fools you – who should the soldier fight for and to preserve what integrity, honour and freedom? Tell me which narrative will work now? Will the pay be enough to take men into battle and do men die because that’s what they are paid to do, as Mehmud Achakzai says?

The TTP were a force built on criminals who robbed people at gunpoint. They slowly organized themselves into a vicious militant force that never had any strategy other than clearing spaces, challenging the State and collecting revenue through coercion. Assisted and funded by hostile agencies, the TTP used terror as a tactic and targeted anyone who disagreed with them. The main cause of their temporary success was the absence of government. However, when finally routed by the Frontier Corp and the Army, those who could escaped to Afghanistan, Kunar Province where the Governor called it a refugee Camp and the Afghans claimed that these were Pakistani Refugees. They were resourced and trained by Raw, CIA and NDS to continue militancy against the Pakistan but were by and large successfully contained by our own troops. This defeated force re labelled themselves as Khorasan Daesh and quickly passed themselves off as the ISIS. Their only and sole objective is to destabilize Pakistan at the behest of their handlers and if that objective is removed, the TTP would cease to exist.

Now that the Afghan Government has collapsed, the US forces have withdrawn and India is out of Afghanistan, the TTP, or whatever they wish to call themselves, have found that they are in a very difficult position. The present Taliban Government has already started clearing them out. Without space and resource, the already defeated TTP, is out on a limb. And it is amazing that it is now that the Government of Pakistan has decided that they should negotiate with them. Negotiate what? I will not challenge the Government’s decision since I do not have all the intelligence information or a clear picture of the environment and will assume that the Government – which does, is doing what it thinks is the right thing and in the interest of the State. I will however, contribute my sense of the environment to be analyzed by the Government as an input to be considered before being rejected.

The TTP has already signed a number of treaties over the years that it continually reneged on and was never serious in keeping their end of the bargain in any of them. Even now the offer by the Government appears to be one made from desperation and weakness (at least that is how they see it) but they, the Taliban, will not commit to any cease fire. The TTP, as an organization who sees ‘peace’ as its own death-knell and is not likely to undertake a process other than physical conflict. Once they lose the rank and file, they are lost and will not survive. The leadership would rather die than agree to such a peace.
The last time, the Government, decided, under the slogan of ‘Give peace a Chance’, handed over Swat to Sufi Muhammed and the people of the Malakand Division were surrendered to the Taliban without even being asked. A parallel Constitution was allowed to be administered and the Government had hoped that this would bring peace. Instead we had to undertake major operations in Buner and the Swat Valley to reestablish the State’s writ that had been voluntarily forfeited.
I have not forgotten the picture of the girl in red, spread eagled on the ground in the market square of Mingora, where she was whipped publicly. That day I bowed my head in shame and wondered why I wore a uniform that reflected protection to the people and the State. It was difficult to hold back tears in the face of what appeared to be an abject failure and one’s self being so central to it. Please, I implore, do not do this to us again.
The TTP conflict was a tribal affair played out at a National Level, where the conventional leadership (Mushers) were decapitated. This led to usurpation of the tribes by people who hi-jacked tribal life and living. They coerced people and forced young men to join their ranks at gun point. There were kidnappings and murders. The TTP has a lot to answer to their own respective tribes. No one else can settle this and if anyone does, it will lead to an alienated tribal society that will always be in search of justice. It would lead to feuds and wars amongst tribes for years to come. It is thus suggested, humbly, please let the tribes handle this and the Government should only facilitate the process. The TTP who are willing to give up their old ways, need to appear before their respective tribal jirgas who should decide what should be done with them. No one else can reconcile on the behalf of the tribes.
In the event the Government thinks it can negotiate with the TTP; what would be salient lines to follow for such negotiations? Would the TTP disarm and get integrated into society voluntarily just because they were requested to? Would the Government offer them an incentive and would that incentive look like a sell-out to some of us?
Having integrated the TTP into our folds once again what safe guards would the government take to ensure that they are not being handled by hostile foreign agencies?
Last of all, there is a famous saying, ‘If it ain’t broken, why fix it?’ The Government appears to be in such indecent haste to settle something which does not need settling at present. The Afghan Taliban are trying to convince the Pakistan Government and the TTP to come to terms but it is not for them to decide such things. Let the defeated TTP make public statements acknowledging the wrong they have done and apologize to the tribes and the people of Pakistan before the Government needs to do anything at all. I know there are some who feel this may stop bloodshed, but please take it from someone who has been in it and knows, it will probably lead to far more violence and bloodshed than one can even contemplate. History remains a testimonial record of how such things eventually unfold. We have been down this road before many a times. Remember, repeating the same thing over and over again hoping for a different result is a sign of insanity, Einstein.

If any soldier is unwilling to fight he should retire like the author did. A soldiers job is to do, not to question right or wrong.
Another brown a$$ retired khota whining on TV , in begairaton ko bhonkny ki adit parh chuki ha

You did not follow the shaikh rasheed statement, talks going on between those who want to surrender, no talk with those who are willing to fight, strict action is about to start against them in near future

I disagree with part of what the author but your statement is disrespectful. This man is a hero. The men under his command held the line against the TTP and turned the tide.
 
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I am starting to believe IK is sympathetic to TTP because he is also a Pathan.
That is part of it but more importantly because he started his voter bank from the area. Gen Tariq is also of the same people but compared to IK more astute in geopolitics.
 
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That is part of it but more importantly because he started his voter bank from the area. Gen Tariq is also of the same people but compared to IK more astute in geopolitics.

I fear that in his Pacifism TTP will regroup if they not already, and we are seeing those mid 2000's times when Pakistan suffer suicide attack on almost daily basis. Honestly I would take a Fauji Danda on Govt to drop these talks right now but unfortunately incompetency is across the board in Pakistan, Santari se mantri tak , Judge se Jarnail tak sab ke sab buzdil aur corrupt hain.
 
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I fear that in his Pacifism TTP will regroup if they not already, and we are seeing those mid 2000's times when Pakistan suffer suicide attack on almost daily basis. Honestly I would take a Fauji Danda on Govt to drop these talks right now but unfortunately incompetency is across the board in Pakistan, Santari se mantri tak , Judge se Jarnail tak sab ke sab buzdil aur corrupt hain.
Well, I’d worry more about Dems and Biden now - Pakistan is a distant land with exotic customs and ideals that transcend faith,morality and common sense.
 
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Brother i don't know if you know it or not but zarvan used to be an ardent supporter of terrorist in his early days on PDF,he called TTP terrorists soldiers of Allah their war against Pakistan jihad.
He's regurgitating the same stuff he said 8 years ago.
I guess @Zarvan is a true patriot unlike you.
 
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Brother i don't know if you know it or not but zarvan used to be an ardent supporter of terrorist in his early days on PDF,he called TTP terrorists soldiers of Allah their war against Pakistan jihad.
He's regurgitating the same stuff he said 8 years ago.
I was telling people all along these apologists were the real traitors all along and cuntservitives islamist will always be a traitorous people and cannot be fully trusted, thier cooku side overides thier nationalism in crucial times

Overtly very nationalist but in times of need Thier cooku ideas turn everything to shit

They need to be systematically eliminated from any public decision making and than need to be rehabilitated, cause as of now society can ill-afford these guys

Thier cooku ideas can be taken care of by professional psychotrists

If it hadn't been for aps they would have still been cheering on
 
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