El Sidd
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Minister of disinformation faces no accountability from authorities for constantly provoking anarchy in the country.
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Apni khahishat ko government policy k tor par pesh kar rha tha
Its the masses that form the system. Bottom to the top, the rulers, the government servants, uniformed or non-uniformed, peons or directors -all come from with in the population. You can blame the system all your life but the system is made by everyone of us.
The web of lies, the deceit and the delusions you mention are with in each and everyone of us, so why close our eyes and blame the system. Oh yes, we cannot blame ourselves, so we need to blame something, lets blame the system. If you dont want to give bribe, no one can snatch it from you. If you dont want to pay interest, no one can force the facility down your throat, if you dont want to be corrupt then no one can ensnare you to be - unless of course you want to blame somebody else but not you. Blame the Cops, blame army, blame politicians, blame Government - are these all aliens from outer space or from with in Pakistan ? They are from amongst you. Oh yes, you will blame the system again, its the system which made us Pakistanis like this, had we got a good system, we would all be angels by now. You think that system is more powerful than the people. People are just robots right, they have no brains, they are simpletons who just do what they are told to do. There is a certain simpleton out there and coz of that one simpleton there are millions of protestors destroying Pakistan and its image. The system must have made them like this right ? That simpleton is using religion to control them and causing destruction of Pakistan. But we should blame the system. Ahhh the corrupt, evil system !
Mentee, seriously, enough of your double standards. Constantly complaining, blaming and taunting at everyone, why ? Because the religious fanatics out there are serving the divine order ? Blame yourself and blame Pakistanis like yourself who will take short cuts, who will use the system for their own good when required. Act all moral and up right when chance is not there and as soon as the chance arrives, grab hold of it and use it as you like. Those who don't get the chance, they complain, and they are the first ones to utilize the facility as soon as they get it.
Bringing in God and Koran again and again. God isn't blind, he knows our hearts. How many Pakistanis show honesty when no one is watching. You talk of God as if you know God best. You can talk of his wrath. Are you that negative about God ? and when you talk of following God then you start mentioning rewards, one doesn't have to be so selfish. Who isn't following God ? You and fellow Pakistanis. Maybe you want the system to follow God ? ok Good. People shouldn't follow but the system should follow God and everything will be alright. Yeah sure Mentee. The system runs by itself. People (Pakistanis) don't run it. That seems to be your theory.
Sometimes i think why do I even bother replying all the utterance of negativity that is crying out loud in your posts. As soon as Police opened fire, all you had to say was kids being targeted, alright understood, not a pretty picture, in fact a tragedy if it happened, but the cops who died had children too Mentee. Your negativity will not let you look at both sides of the picture. You seem to damn sad that Police got into action. In case of Police also, you look at the negative side also. If we just talk about the Police, how many times have you been to the Police station or interacted with Police on the road ? Have you been disappointed always by the police ? Im sure you must have stories to tell of the atrocities that Police committed on you or close ones or incidents happened in front of your eyes. I, too, interact a lot with Police, sometimes with SHO's, other times with CSP officers, as well as wardens and motorway Police and even Dolphin force. Lodging FIRs, conducting legal notices, following up cases - yes one faces problems, all sort of problems but learn from the damn problem, find a solution and move on to be prepared next time. I am not a privileged VIP person in Pakistan, Im a bloody civilian just like you. An ordinary citizen just like you.
I sincerely hope, I get busy again so I stop reading and replying all the negativity in your posts.
As predicted earlier - govt did indeed treat TLP as a militant organisation. They sat down and negotiated with them.
Anyone with street power and guns can do what they want in Pakistan - as long as they let the elite continue in thier lives.
Baloch sardar take up guns - they're rewarded with govt seats. TTP kill 80,000 of our people - thier political wing PTM was given seats in govt unchallenged.
MQM was gifted Karachi, PPP has been gifted Sindh. Today TLP are working hard to get to the gunda status required to be gifted seats in power.
As predicted earlier - govt did indeed treat TLP as a militant organisation. They sat down and negotiated with them.
Anyone with street power and guns can do what they want in Pakistan - as long as they let the elite continue in thier lives.
Baloch sardar take up guns - they're rewarded with govt seats. TTP kill 80,000 of our people - thier political wing PTM was given seats in govt unchallenged.
MQM was gifted Karachi, PPP has been gifted Sindh. Today TLP are working hard to get to the gunda status required to be gifted seats in power.
Deobandi were too busy with Return Fatwabazi .... have you read Al-Muhannad ala al-Mufannad ?
Deobandi have a real violent streak and they've had it a lot longer than Brelvis.
Thank you.
The cause of the most destruction in Pak are self-righteous sects that emphasize outward manifestations of piety VS introspection and the 'greater' (inner) jihad. We are so obsessed about what society and others are doing that while we are happily indulging in sin in our private and business dealings. Pathetic.
At the very least, the State should aggressively promote the idea that there are MANY interpretations of Islam and some are DIAMTERICALLY opposite in their teachings on some practices. So, "Islam" as a uniform and universally accepted form of what's right and wrong or encouraged and discouraged doesn't exist --- various fiqhs/schools/interpretations do, and this causes a huge amount of friction.
Therefore, I think a State that actually has visionary leadership and a huge Muslim population to govern, needs to publicly or covertly adopt one of the more moderate interpretations --- emphasize the pursuit of knowledge in the sciences, women in the workplace, the internal aspects of faith, duties as citizens, etc. --- and aggressively promote it through all media while regulating ALL other forms. NO madrassa except the single State-approved curriculum, NO khutbaz except State-sanctioned ones, etc. I believe Egypt and Turkey follow something like this.
There is no perfection in government --- this should be a start.
But we've never had any such leaders. Even our last military dictator who had vast power and public support initially, could not make the sweeping structural changes we required --- how the F can a democracy, hanging by a thread, do it?! This is our real tragedy. We have small-minded people in positions of power, and the system is designed to protect them and exclude real visionaries who threaten the status quo. Sad.
I like your ideas about State sanctioned Khutbah in every Masjid but single state approved madrassa curriculum might not work in Pakistan because AhleHadith use different books. It might work for Deobandi and Razakhani. Razakhani use the books written by Ashraf Ali Tanvi in their Madrasa but also call him Kafir.
It HAS to work is what I mean. The countries that have progressed forcibly regulated this stuff, because you can't have so many competing claims to legitimacy running around and willing to kill each other if it comes to it. The government has to, gently or forcibly, wean people off the current free for all.
Obviously, it can't do it forcibly in the current state of affairs, but it must soon.
Thank you.
The cause of the most destruction in Pak are self-righteous sects that emphasize outward manifestations of piety VS introspection and the 'greater' (inner) jihad. We are so obsessed about what society and others are doing that while we are happily indulging in sin in our private and business dealings. Pathetic.
At the very least, the State should aggressively promote the idea that there are MANY interpretations of Islam and some are DIAMTERICALLY opposite in their teachings on some practices. So, "Islam" as a uniform and universally accepted form of what's right and wrong or encouraged and discouraged doesn't exist --- various fiqhs/schools/interpretations do, and this causes a huge amount of friction.
Therefore, I think a State that actually has visionary leadership and a huge Muslim population to govern, needs to publicly or covertly adopt one of the more moderate interpretations --- emphasize the pursuit of knowledge in the sciences, women in the workplace, the internal aspects of faith, duties as citizens, etc. --- and aggressively promote it through all media while regulating ALL other forms. NO madrassa except the single State-approved curriculum, NO khutbaz except State-sanctioned ones, etc. I believe Egypt and Turkey follow something like this.
There is no perfection in government --- this should be a start.
But we've never had any such leaders. Even our last military dictator who had vast power and public support initially, could not make the sweeping structural changes we required --- how the F can a democracy, hanging by a thread, do it?! This is our real tragedy. We have small-minded people in positions of power, and the system is designed to protect them and exclude real visionaries who threaten the status quo. Sad.
Anyone calling other kafir must proof in the international Islamic Court or go to jail for 5 years. This goes for both Deobandi and Razakhani sects or any other sect.
Teaching of Quran with translation during schooling years is an excellent move by this government. It will seriously damage the sects in the long run. People need to study Quran for Muhkamat and those are very clear to understand in any translation.
There is only One Islam. State should never promote any other idea. Totally disagree with you. All sects and fiqhs rejected, as per Quran 6:159.
I mean with WHAT logic you co-relate a Country's economic health with Namoos e Risalat?
And also care to explain how someone who favors it called radicalized...how can you make such statements as "entire generation of Pakistanis"... Every single Pakistani muslim favors Namoos e Risalat... or supports it IF not vocally or proactively than silently in his/her heart...
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I mean if you read the news article above will tell you that a good majority is in favor of it...
hmmm... this will refresh your memory a bit:
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This is just one example where the instigators are not related to TLP or similar group...what I meant to say that TLP does not own monopoly on "Violent Protests", in the past there are quite a few instances of Political protests being turned violent...
What they failed to deliver?
State will NOT surrender; State will negotiate with TLP successfully and through required due diligence make sure that all required steps would be taken to initiate a debate in Parliament...
Well ONLY time will tell ... Pakistan will NOT withstand another term from ANY of the previous tried and tested corrupts Politicians ...