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Timothy Geithner: China 'Very, Very Aggressive' In Stealing U.S. Technology

Like I said take it to court if you feel that you can win. Otherwise stop b**ching.

What was the Indian company and Chinese company's names?

. Google BAJAJ motor corp that's Indian company for you, and god knows which chinese company was that, there are sooo many fake and cheap companies in china its just one among them.
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. ahem! btw can you access Google ? if not then you may not find it on ccp controlled baideu.
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. and please don't say bitc hing and all it doesn't look good while you whine.
 
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Or have a suspension of belief... This is well documented , officially protested stance of the US govt time and time again, discussed in meetings with past US presidents and current with their chinese counterpart ... but you refuse to really look. alternatively, every propoganda on this issue of industrial spying from china gets your full backing. I give up!

I look to the international courts for their decisions as they are the only opinions that actually has tangible effects. Your b**ching and whining on the internet does not have any tangible affect on the outcome of IP trials. I'm pragmatic in only looking at things that matter in the end.

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Is that your attitude, that it is justified to have a lack of business ethics just because of competition by others?

No. I just don't feel pity for people that jump of cliffs because there's gold at the bottom.
 
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I look to the international courts for their decisions as they are the only opinions that actually has tangible effects. Your b**ching and whining on the internet does not have any tangible affect on the outcome of IP trials. I'm pragmatic in only looking at things that matter in the end.
That is a laugh considering the charges of technology theft by China increases year after year.

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No. I just don't feel pity for people that jump of cliffs because there's gold at the bottom.
Fair enough. But at least we are seeing an admittance by a Chinese-American that China is a country of thieves and that businesses take their chances.
 
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I look to the international courts for their decisions as they are the only opinions that actually has tangible effects. Your b**ching and whining on the internet does not have any tangible affect on the outcome of IP trials. I'm pragmatic in only looking at things that matter in the end.

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No. I just don't feel pity for people that jump of cliffs because there's gold at the bottom.

do you look to international courts on say " south china sea" proclomations too? Or just when it suits you about american stances?

seems like you are the citizen of the world , not of the US. :)
 
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That is a laugh considering the charges of technology theft by China increases year after year.

What is a laugh is that the charges lead to counter suing which then makes the company that makes those charges pay up.
 
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Gambit - I think we have exposed his loyaties and bias. I think its best we leave the guy alone...america. american companies workers, govt are all lying about it (99.99999999% of the world is lying about it). we should get it...heh lets move on
 
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What is a laugh is that the charges lead to counter suing which then makes the company that makes those charges pay up.
At least now we know the facade of China's so-called 'indigenous' technology.

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Gambit - I think we have exposed his loyaties and bias. I think its best we leave the guy alone...america. american companies workers, govt are all lying about it (99.99999999% of the world is lying about it). we should get it...heh lets move on
Keep in mind his friend once declared that all Chinese should place racial loyalties over citizenship.
 
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Author is American IP lawyer/prof living in Beijing
The Obama administration is under fire from everyone these days, and no one seems to like the job that Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner has done over the past two years. Moreover, the administration is not about to move against China in an area where Geithner actually has some authority (e.g. currency).

Timmy must be one frustrated individual these days. In that context, I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised that he has engaged in some gratuitous China bashing, perhaps to build up some populist credibility and, more importantly, to send a message to the U.S. corporate community that he feels their pain.

Geithner is no stranger to harsh words about China, although he doesn’t usually venture into the area of intellectual property. A quick glance at the statements he made yesterday suggest that he should probably leave the topic out of his repertoire. It’s not that his comments were full of factual inaccuracies or anything. I just found them mostly irrelevant, not to mention misleading.

Let’s take a look at two comments from Geither (taken from Reuters):

“They <China> have made possible systematic stealing of intellectual property of American companies and have not been very aggressive to put in place the basic protections for property rights that every serious economy needs over time,” Geithner told a forum in Washington.
However one may criticize the remaining problems with China’s intellectual property enforcement system, which are many and significant, this language “systematic stealing,” is quite inflammatory, albeit in a subtle manner.

Geithner’s language is rather sneaky. Is IP infringement stealing? Yes, it is a form of property theft, so using the term “stealing” is certainly appropriate, given the proper context. What about “systematic?” Sorry to go full lawyer on this, but that term denotes a method or plan. Who in this discussion would be in a position to implement a plan? None other than the government of China.

Therefore, when you put this language together, Geithner is saying that China has an intentional plan to steal intellectual property rights. That’s quite a sweeping statement. And yes, I note his use of the qualifier “made possible,” which one could say relates to a lack of enforcement. But even if Geithner is not saying that the government itself is the one doing the stealing, it’s still a damning indictment.

Is he right? Only partially, which is why I find his language misleading.

One could certainly make the case that China has intentionally gone after foreign IP in certain industrial sectors, often key areas like energy, environmental technology and automobiles. There is a case to be made there for a “systematic” approach.

But what about the “stealing” part? Although there have been cases where infringement has occurred and foreign IP has been invalidated, this does not rise to the level of an overall plan of outright theft, or if you prefer, a plan to allow outright theft.

However, perhaps Geithner is just referring to forced technology transfer, including the popular hot button issue, China’s “indigenous innovation” policy?

We’re seeing China continue to be very, very aggressive in a strategy they started several decades ago, which goes like this: you want to sell to our country, we want you to come produce here … if you want to come produce here, you need to transfer your technology to us[.]
Okay, so maybe Geithner is not accusing China of wholesale IP theft. Rather, he is saying that China’s technology transfer policy is functionally equivalent to systematic stealing. So is this claim fair?

No, still misleading. It’s true that China’s tech transfer posture is aggressive, and it’s accurate to say that market access has been conditional on such tech transfers. But this ignores a few very important qualifiers. First, such conditionality only effects a few market sectors (I listed a few above). For the vast majority of U.S. investors in China, no one is forcing them to do anything with their IP.

Second, the only bona fide systematic program one could point to is the indigenous innovation program, which was altered after protests from foreign governments and a series of Sino-U.S. bilateral negotiations. This happened a while ago, so if Geithner’s comments are a reference to that policy, he’s a bit out of date.

Third, although conditional tech transfer is anti-competitive and arguably unfair, it’s not stealing. Companies like GM or GE are not being forced to do anything. The choice whether to bring IP onshore may be a difficult one given market realities, but China is not (for the most part) illegally appropriating IP and giving it to a domestic firms.

In short, I find Geithner’s comments to be way over the top. He smoothly takes what are admittedly widespread problems with IP in this country (i.e. theft is common) and implies intent on behalf of government policy makers (i.e. systematic programs). What we’re left with is the suggestion that Beijing has an ongoing plan to rip off the IP rights of foreigners. Sorry, but that’s going way too far rhetorically.

Geithner Talks Tough on China IP (for some reason) | China Hearsay
 
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Does American do any thing else than cry ???

Sure.

For decades, US is a master of stealing:

USA steals Cuban brains - English pravda.ru


US Plot To Steal Amazon Exposed | Via Meadia


The Hindu : Opinion / News Analysis : Why U.S. steals medics from poorer nations


U.S. steals boat blueprints from Turkish firm | TR Defence


The Insider - US steals another $9 billion of Iraq's oil money


PressTV - 'US steals classified files from ME'

After all, USA is built upon stealing native Indians&#8217; land. One can say, no stealing there will be not a country called USA. Painful... but a fact.
 
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At least now we know the facade of China's so-called 'indigenous' technology.

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Keep in mind his friend once declared that all Chinese should place racial loyalties over citizenship.

Yes and his fellow loyal brethren of Chinese American citizenship to follow soon ( some have). Can we say Cantonment camp? Nah-- too harsh
 
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The US along with the Europeans has been extremely aggressive in stealing and exploiting the world's resources for centuries. This is a dog eat dog world, I actually applaud China for doing what they can to survive. The spineless/weak government in India always seem to bow their heads to westerners. We can learn a thing from China in this regard.

Also as an aside, EVERY COUNTRY does this; the US is the most prolific thief in the world but because they control the media, but because they control the media, they get to call the shots. Why do we point fingers at China for doing what every country does? Simply because this is all apart of the US propaganda campaign to smear China. The US is trying to turn every country in the world against China and we are all falling for it like dominoes.
 
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The US along with the Europeans has been extremely aggressive in stealing and exploiting the world's resources for centuries. This is a dog eat dog world, I actually applaud China for doing what they can to survive. The spineless/weak government in India always seem to bow their heads to westerners. We can learn a thing from China in this regard.

Also as an aside, EVERY COUNTRY does this; the US is the most prolific thief in the world but because they control the media, but because they control the media, they get to call the shots. Why do we point fingers at China for doing what every country does? Simply because this is all apart of the US propaganda campaign to smear China. The US is trying to turn every country in the world against China and we are all falling for it like dominoes.

You are not even trying to mask it smartly anymore! why do you bother with the flase flag. Folks here found you out ( by your chosen name and you confirmed it was you) on the net- and on other forums they have confirmed that the name you use here is not the professor who you claim to be. I smell AJTR alike or a spunky fellow member of you know what country :)
 
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