Timothy Geithner: China 'Very, Very Aggressive' In Stealing U.S. Technology

[tanlixiang28776]

This is the reality...

China Forcing Technology Transfer | Economy In Crisis

Forced? They bought the technologies from the companies for large sums of money. Is that something illegal?

 

[gambit]

has there been even one court case where a Chinese company was convicted of technology theft?

How about admitting to it...

Lenovo founder talks about innovation, Apple and IP theft - SFGate

When young entrepreneurs tell Liu Chuanzhi how hard it is to start a business in China today, he can't help but think how much easier they have it.

He should know.

In 1984, at the age of 40, Liu and 10 other computer scientists launched a company in a broken-down little room amid a chaotic business environment brought on by China's transition from a planned economy to a market economy.

A: The protection of intellectual property was and still is a serious problem in China. The Chinese government actually sharply criticizes lack of protections for intellectual property because this holds back innovation in China. We see this message in our media and also in the speeches given by our leaders.

But I also believe that there will probably be many cases where people aren't doing as much as they could or should. For instance, our company, Lenovo, was the first to preload Microsoft software into our computers, and I know before we did that, pretty much everybody who was using Microsoft software was using a pirated edition.

 

[gpit]

So China is stealing...errr...I mean 'investing' in Africa today? Guess we know who China thinks are the fools over in that part of the world, eh?

Then read on:

What I Learned at the World Economic Crisis. The Insider Joseph Stiglitz / The New Republic 17apr00

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I shouldn't have been surprised. The IMF likes to go about its business without outsiders asking too many questions. In theory, the fund supports democratic institutions in the nations it assists. In practice, it undermines the democratic process by imposing policies. Officially, of course, the IMF doesn't "impose" anything. It "negotiates" the conditions for receiving aid. But all the power in the negotiations is on one side—the IMF's—and the fund rarely allows sufficient time for broad consensus-building or even widespread consultations with either parliaments or civil society. Sometimes the IMF dispenses with the pretense of openness altogether and negotiates secret covenants.

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If China did so (attach strings on the loans), yes.

But China does not attach strings on the loans that makes Western "bankers" whine.

 

[tanlixiang28776]

How about admitting to it...

Lenovo founder talks about innovation, Apple and IP theft - SFGate

How about you guys take it to court.

 

[gambit]

Forced? They bought the technologies from the companies for large sums of money. Is that something illegal?

The word 'forced' here does not mean via physical means but by contractual obligations. Basically, China is saying that if you want access you have to give up certain rights to your ideas. Just like your friend stated that there is a relationship between investment and theft. Never thought it would backfire so spectacularly.

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Then read on:



If China did so (attach strings on the loans), yes.

But China does not attach strings on the loans that makes Western "bankers" whine.

Good...Then let us agree that ALL investments are motivated by theft.

 

[tanlixiang28776]

The word 'forced' here does not mean via physical means but by contractual obligations. Basically, China is saying that if you want access you have to give up certain rights to your ideas. Just like your friend stated that there is a relationship between investment and theft. Never thought it would backfire so spectacularly.

And they were free to leave if they didn't want to.Its not theft when they voluntarily give the technologies for more market share.

 

[JayAtl]

Firstly give a bit of spacing to your sentences.

Secondly disputes between international companies are settled in international courts.

Thirdly it matters little what people say.What happens in reality is that Western companies have tried to sue Chinese companies for IP theft in Western courts and have failed. Instead they get counter sued and pay the Chinese company money for IP theft.

Classic suspension of belief--- you love that one use case- one has to only google chinese steal technology or chinese copyright viloations

As copyright infringement in China is a national pastime, numerous instances can be observed across the country. In one cases it was permitted for a Chinese company to register the intellectual property of another Japanese company, Futubasha Ltd. as their own copyright before the Japanese company had entered the Chinese market. This allowed them to accuse the original company of trademark infringement once the Japanese company attempted to sell their own merchandise in the country.[1] Futubasha appealed to the highest court in China however the court ruled that stealing someone's copyright and then using it to sue that person is looked on with approval in China, or at least it was before China entered the World Trade Organisation.

Baidu May Be Worst Wikipedia Copyright Violator
Baidu May Be Worst Wikipedia Copyright Violator | PCWorld

Chinese often describe counterfeits items as shanzhai, a term that originally described the mountain fortress of a bandit. Of late it has become kind of social statement to buy such goods because they support workers and factories in China but the don’t make big profits for foreign companies.

The Chinese word ‘Shanzhai’ literally means small mountain village, but it's now used to describe fake products that have names similar to famous brands. It became an accepted name for fake goods after ‘Shanzhai Cellphones’ produced by small individual workshops in southern China became popular in the mainland market in the late 2000s. [Source: Xinhua, China Daily, December 30, 2008]

According to Xinhua, “Besides Shanzhai electronic products, of which there are many, there are ‘Shanzhai’ movies, ‘Shanzhai’ stars and even a ‘Shanzhai’ Spring Festival Gala, a copy of the 25-year-old traditional show presented by CCTV on Chinese Lunar New Year's eve. ‘Shanzhai’ has become a culture of its own, symbolizing anything that imitates something famous, especially or people who imitate celebrities.”

 

[tanlixiang28776]

Good...Then let us agree that ALL investments are motivated by theft.

That has nothing to do with either the article you quoted or what Gpit has stated.This is an example of a Delusional conclusion drawn from contradicting statements.

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Classic suspension of belief--- you love that one use case- one has to only google chinese steal technology or chinese copyright viloations

Baidu May Be Worst Wikipedia Copyright Violator
Baidu May Be Worst Wikipedia Copyright Violator | PCWorld

What I would love is for you people to use the international courts instead of whining incessantly.

 

[gambit]

And they were free to leave if they didn't want to.Its not theft when they voluntarily give the technologies for more market share.

And you wonder why business leaders everywhere have a jaundiced eye whenever they have to deal with China.

http://www.aboutastra.org/latest_news/05-16-2011-china-innovation.asp

First they forces multinationals to form joint ventures with national champions and transfer their latest technology to Chinese companies in exchange for current and future access to the domestic market. Now they demand that companies transfer to China their cutting-edge research and development labs (R&D) along with manufacturing and production.

 

[tanlixiang28776]

And you wonder why business leaders everywhere have a jaundiced eye whenever they have to deal with China.

Nobody forces them to do business with China.

 

[crimemaster_gogo]

How about you guys take it to court.

. ah what about stealing car design? fake hummer, fake Benz, fake BMW (BYD chinese company expert in ripping off BMW designs, heck they dint ever spare the logo) the list goes on and ooon, you guys dint even spare our little pulsar bike, made a stupid looking cheap motorcycle renamed it gulsar :rolf: and finally got sued by Bajaj motor corp. fake apple stores fake Nokia (Nakia, Nakla) phones, hmmmmmm would you spare something ??? cut copy paste!
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an Indian company has won a case against fake company in china, so its not a news.

 

[Hafizzz]

Forced? They bought the technologies from the companies for large sums of money. Is that something illegal?

USA is jealous and afraid of China's success and labels everything as "theft". The Western Media even labeled the co-operation of China and Russia in many weapon development as "China stealing Russian technology". If China working with Russia is considered "stealing" then India should also be labeled as a "thief" since she worked with Russia to develop the Brahmos.

 

[JayAtl]

That has nothing to do with either the article you quoted or what Gpit has stated.This is an example of a Delusional conclusion drawn from contradicting statements.

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What I would love is for you people to use the international courts instead of whining incessantly.

You people? I have a post here with ' you people in mind' called " everyones thinking it ( hateful immigrants)". I thought you were supposed to be our people since its american companies that getting harmed.

 

[tanlixiang28776]

. ah what about stealing car design? fake hummer, fake Benz, fake BMW (BYD chinese company expert in ripping off BMW designs, heck they dint ever spare the logo) the list goes on and ooon, you guys dint even spare our little pulsar bike, made a stupid looking cheap motorcycle renamed it gulsar :rolf: and finally got sued by Bajaj motor corp. fake apple stores fake Nokia (Nakia, Nakla) phones, hmmmmmm would you spare something ??? cut copy paste!
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an Indian company has won a case against fake company in china, so its not a news.

Like I said take it to court if you feel that you can win. Otherwise stop b**ching.

What was the Indian company and Chinese company's names?

 

[Veeru]

china don't care for ethics, it bully its neighbors, invade Tibet, Manchuria, massacres its own people, involve in piracy still holds morale high ground and call itself people's republic what a shame.