Time to side with India to cut off ISI: US Senator

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Yup.. werent you the one who claimed that CIA cant find their ways around the parking lot without ISI help a week before they took out OBL within a military garrison of Pakistan while ISI was sleeping comfortably in their beds

perhaps I should name the 300 other top suspects that were zapped by our security forces and/or handed over to the American authorities

i dont even need to explain why they need the ISI support, because the writing is already on the wall. Thanks to our extensive experience in Afghanistan, they know it better than Afghans know their own country.

it will be important in the coming years to ensure that Afghanistan is not used by the enemy(s) of Pakistan as a staging ground for hostile acts against the Islamic Republic.


if news reports I've read in the past are to be believe, Pakistan has knowledge or hand in the succesful "disposal" of your (late) defence attache in Kabul......again, i hope to God those allegations are true.

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Never pegged you to be the one deluded by fake sense of comfort based on propaganda.. well, live and learn

i suggest you follow the "india insurgency" thread...it's updated (quite regularly, it seems)

 

[moha199]

Indian member's shouldn't be that happy and trust me this is not ISI's horror story, ISI is way lethal then RAW and It has very deep penetration then RAW. if worst comes to worst, budget of ISI will be double and no one will be able to beat this organization. right now it only get's 3% of army budget. Only if it gets a jump of 2% trust me it will not let anyone sneeze in her back yard which is all the way to capitals of other countries.

 

[gubbi]

they keep us safer....without them who knows what else would be happening, we have many enemies.....your country being the primary one, regrettably

An irrational fear. You have chosen us, irrationally, to be your enemies, we didnt call for it.

Quaid e Azam Jinnah sahib ---founding father of the great Pakistani Nation said it best:


Think 100 times before you take a decision.
.....Once that decision is taken, stand by it as one man.

Alas, thats one thing, for sure, that has never happened in Pakistan.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

few people talk about how instrumental the ISI was in Pakistan's becoming a nuclear power

I could spend hours detailing how instrumental they were ---not just with helping to set up front companies, but also in logistics, also in fooling foes and 'allies' alike and buying us just enough of the extra time that was required to have requisite supplies and equipment for the "Islamic bomb"

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An irrational fear. You have chosen us, irrationally, to be your enemies, we didnt call for it.

oh this'll be good.....

Alas, thats one thing, for sure, that has never happened in Pakistan.

which is pretty much the same thing i could say about your country as well......it is indeed a shame.

 

[foxbat]

perhaps I should name the 300 other top suspects that were zapped by our security forces and/or handed over to the American authorities

Pretty easy to sacrifice your own assets to earn some brownie points/US $.. Cant compare it with what happened in Abbotabad..

if news reports I've read in the past are to be believe, Pakistan has knowledge or hand in the succesful "disposal" of your (late) defence attache in Kabul......again, i hope to God those allegations are true.

Oh well, that way if some of the recent reports I have read are to be believed, India had a hand in the successful disposal of 28 recently martyred Pakistani Army jawans.. I am not even counting the almost daily allegations of Indian involvement in successful termination of Pakistani FC on a regular basis with interspersed bonanzas of knocking off PAF/PN assets and civil property in and around Pakistani GHQ..

But unlike you, I dont wish those allegations to be true.. Thats the mindset difference I guess that makes most of the world today refer to Pakistan as being inhabited by extremists like you...

i suggest you follow the "india insurgency" thread...it's updated (quite regularly, it seems)

No need.. Both you and I know the reality..

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

clearly only one of us does; and that wouldnt be you -- "foxbat"

go have a nap and come back when you come up with something a bit more substantive

 

[gubbi]

few people talk about how instrumental the ISI was in Pakistan's becoming a nuclear power

I could spend hours detailing how instrumental they were ---not just with helping to set up front companies, but also in logistics, also in fooling foes and 'allies' alike and buying us just enough of the extra time that was required to have requisite supplies and equipment for the "Islamic bomb"

What are you gloating about? Everyone knew about Pakistan's efforts in acquiring the 'bomb'. The fact that US and allies chose to keep quite was because ISI was doing the US's dirty work in Afghanistan. Thats the prize you guys earned for helping US help you.

oh this'll be good.....

Bring it on.....

which is pretty much the same thing i could say about your country as well......it is indeed a shame.

Unfortunately for you, though our present day boundaries were carved out of the same land and people, this day we stand poles apart. You simply cannot compare. We have always had excellent far-sighted leaders, while yours simply reacted in a knee-jerk fashion to every problem. We worked with what we got, you squandered all your chances. The results are there for everyone to see. Like I said, you simply cannot compare!

 

[Abhishek_]

US is welcomed to co-operate with India on anti-terrorism efforts, but it needs to be clear that India's own interests are top priority.
We can work as partners as long as we share the agenda.

They shouldn't be expecting higher than mountains friendship.

 

[sachin10]

I don't know if it would be the right choice for Pakistan to end things with the US on a bad note. It would always be better to part ways when the situation is a lot cooler. They are a strong country and could only damage the interests of Pakistan in the international arena be it trade orother affairs. Pakistan would need a lot of help financelly to come out of the mess that it's in today
The biggest question is if Pakistan would be able to fit China in the place of US is a wait and watch period.

Thats very well said Sir.. this is the imporatant thing... even arab countries listen to USA.. pakistan can be in deep trouble if they go ahead with there current way of dealing with US.. 'Squeezing the balls of enemy' tactics will not work with US,more over it can back fire big time..

 

[SMC]

yup.. the same country that has been bombing your civilians for last number of years using the facilities provided by your military

Bharatis.. they king of irrelevant posts. The trend is continuing. Please post something relevant.

 

[iMohammed]

Time to side with India to cut off ISI: US Senator




WASHINGTON: Contending that US relationship with Pakistan had reached a dead end, an American lawmaker has said there was a sense among Congressmen that time had come to "side" with India to "cut off the ISI".

Senator Mark Kirk said at a discussion forum by prestigious Washington-based think tank, Foreign Policy Initiative, that a US-India tie-up was ISI's "horror story" but time had come for it to evolve.

"You know, Yogi Bear said when you reach a fork in the road, take it. I think we hit the fork in the road in August and September between the United States and Pakistan. We saw a large truck bomb assembled, lit off next to a US base, 77 US casualties," Kirk said.

In recent times US' ties with Pakistan, a key ally in the region, have plunged to an all-time low following a series of incidents over the year, including the killing of two people by a CIA contractor, the Abbottabad raid, and finally the NATO airstrike that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers.

"My sense of the Senate and probably the House is we're ready to take that fork in the road. We're ready to side with India, to cut off the ISI," the Illinois Senator said.

"It appears to me the Pakistani horror story of us siding with India should now evolve. Pakistan has decided we're leaving. Pakistan has decided that they can cripple the civilian government," he said.

The United States, he said, needs a stable party in the region who has a status quo pro-civilian anti-terror interest, which is India.

"And in many ways, this is the ISI horror story, but I would say they picked this, and we should now arrange that fate for them," he said in response to a question.

Kirk urged General Martin Dempsey, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, to play what he called "hard ball" with Pakistan.

"Get in with the Indian Intelligence Service, the Indian Chief of Staff, bring Indian, not just economic but military assistance on line, and build some long relationships so that in the mid-presidential term next time, the 2014 time frame, you have a steady partner with new money coming on the table that can send an important signal to Afghanistan," Kirk said.

Appearing on the same discussion forum, Congressman Adam Kinzinger, noted that in many cases, actors react more favourably when you are willing to use the stick as a way to get your will done.

"I think as a nation, we have to begin exploring more of those options. How to be a little more difficult, how to be a little harder, how to hold the Pakistanis a little more accountable," he said.


Time to side with India to cut off ISI: US Senator - The Times of India

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The USA wants to use India as a counter to Pakistan and China.

It was obvious from the beginning.

India isn't Pakistan to get involved and act on some perceived sense of leadership of Ummah and Muslim BOMB. They aren't slaves to ideologies. Their foreign policy is pragmatic.

Counter to China?

India doesn't buy the communism Vs capitalism theory by the west.

Indian mind set never buys this whole West vs East BS by China.
It's a game rather naive one by china. China is simply propping up itself on international stage by acting like it's the leader of all players standing up to some kind of monster WEST. Just like the propaganda machines they use at their own populations. They use Asian sentiment, victim hood sentiment(Neocolonialism), calling other disagreeing nations slaves of the west, when, what they actually want is to blindly follow them, accepting their leadership, which they don't deserve.
(And you know what they really are good at copying the west. They really have nothing new to offer. a matter of fact. )

Clearly, India will only act for themselves irrespective of who is trying to use her.

 

[Whazzup]

I see very painful times coming ahead for the US in Afghanistan if that were to happen.

Oh plz try them and I am sure even Pak will see its painfull days ahead.
BTW its quite clear that no one can control Taliban so this stupid war will end for good .

 

[Rafi]

The senator should be more worried about the state of his country, rather than more adventures abroad. This is our neighborhood, we will decide what is in our national interest.

 

[RazPaK]

Even the Americans are now pissing their pants in fear of ISI.

 

[lem34]

So it cool its also an acceptance that cia and raw combined efforts are required to handle our ISI.

Long live the defenders of pakistan