Time to admit India future World Power

[Marathaman]

* irrelevant post(in the face of bhangra's pwning) deleted.

 

[blitz]

Right but it does not work in the case of Pakistan and India.

And what else will work ? Nothing else either.

 

[Adux]

Pakistan's only trump card over India is just this "political will" while India got geriatrics with some dharmic hippie crap.

Trust me there is an urgent need of all politicans above the age of 45 to die off. So the new crops can take over.

 

[Adux]

You can be generous to a rival or enemy when you know that the enemy recognises that you are being magnanimous. You are stressing on the point that the higher rival has to be such and such but implicitly you are assuming that the lesser enemy will not take advantage of the magnanimity and try to bite back again.

During the 1971 war for bangladesh independence, did we gain even one inch of real estate? Did we gain any rupee? We had to spend billions for the war and for the refugees. We had approximately 4000 soldiers dead. Did we take any inch of land from the area of bangladesh which we had conquered? No. Was this not magnanimity of the highest order where we sent our soldiers for someone else? But in return what do we get? The vile and hatred from people like Akanda and Munshi. Looking back I just get a feeling we should let these people *** and force the refugees arriving, back into BD and let them face the music from the PA.




Yet you gloss over the things which they did. They forced Japan to have a pacifist constitution with complete security under US nuclear umbrella. Without this thing, I can bet that not a single dollar would have gone. France and West Germany were made part of NATO, sir, then they were given dollars. US gave money to west germany not to east germany,

When did france and Germany become friends? When they had the scourge of USSR on them which had half of germany with them. When half of the country is already lost, what is the point in bickering over 1% of lands. Also both france and germany were completely destroyed by WW2. Both of them did not have any energy to fight more. Wait for more 20 years, the EU is already showing signs of weakness. I am not sure about their friendship for future, unless something profound and scary threat to both of them happens.



Do you see this talk about being magnanimous and other crap from US? Did they look after Pakistan in 90s when it had no use to US. Again see, the talk about "more equal" or anything like that. If you are "more equal", you are more than him, what the heck is "more equal". This "more equals" are useful for philosophies, not for real life and politik.

In the telephone call, what did they say? They said "bloody idiot, if you dont agree to us, you will be bombed back to stone age". Only under the threat did Pakistan agree. Actually this suits it, might is right- f*ck all magnanimity.


Nice quote, it is without firing a single shot, not without giving a single threat.


The young generation of India has come to this thinking only because we are tired of our one-sided magnanimity, which took us no where. We have here, on this forum, people talking about bangladesh and pakistan joining against India. Pakistan is a different case. After all we have done to Bangladesh, is it too much to expect from them, just plain goodwill? Nothing more. We could have got all the territory from them in 1971, we dont want it even now. When we give our hands of friend ship to china in 1956 and allowed them to occupy tibet(when we had a treaty to protect tibet), we got 1962. We were the leaders initially of the NAM movement, did it take us anywhere? The moment we were defeated in 1962, all our NAM respect went into the air. When we give lahore bus, the return is kargil. We go into srilanka, which was not our battle in anyway and have more than 1000 killed and what did we get in return? When this is the case, how long do you think this 1-sided MAGNANIMITY to continue. We went and returned Maldives completely back to the government without even staying there for 1 day required. How much more magnanimity can one show to our smaller neighbours? We never ask for bases there. we dont have security agreements with any of them(except bhutan). Yet!! Yet!!

The young generation simply thought this yet is enough.

An extremely nice post, I have to agree the younger generations are far more aggressive and far more immersed in their love for India. Tri-colour today is worn with an attitude and love than ever before. Now only if the 6th pay commission increases the armed forces wages.

add this : India also gave up all its claim to currently pakistan occupied territories of ertswhile King of Jammu and Kashmir. Pakistan hasnt even changed its stance, other than mushy coming to the TV to do some undoable stunts. India has given up half of the territory it claims as its rightfully for the cause of peace. Not another inch.

If that aint Magnamity, then **** it. Lets go to war...lol

 

[niaz]

Hon Bhangra,

Think you fail to get my point. Thought this thread was about realization of India's dream of becoming a world power. I posted what IMO are pre-requisites of being a world power. Not what you wishfully think you are but how others perceive you to be.

All of your arguments are just saying that it is of no use being generous. OKay, fine with me. I am very happy the way it is. I dont want India to be magnanimous or be recognized as a world power.

If you think India can bully other countries into accepting India as a world power, you are doing it any way, are you any way near realizing your ambition ??

 

[intruder]

If you think India can bully other countries into accepting India as a world power, you are doing it any way, are you any way near realizing your ambition ??

Niaz, I will call it 'You scratch my back then I scratch your back harder ' and not 'bully' ... there are no saints in this world definitely not we Indians...... and one more thing rome was not build in a day it takes time and effort to it .... and we Indians have all the expertise and will, to fix current problems/issues in the country and move forward.......

 

[Marathaman]

Yeah!! Thats the attitude baby! Screw saintliness.

Use your brains, not your egos!!

 

[IceCold]

India is not a world power its china. As for india it needs to get settle with pakistan to become a wold power coz unless the bileteral issues are resoveled, pakistan can never accept indian dominace in the region and for that if we have too we are willing to fight.

 

[intruder]

India is not a world power its china. As for india it needs to get settle with pakistan to become a wold power coz unless the bileteral issues are resoveled, pakistan can never accept indian dominace in the region and for that if we have too we are willing to fight.

Non of us Indians are saying that we ARE world power .... and I will add to it saying WE ARE NOT WORLD POWER NOW .... refer to my previous post where I said rome was not build in a day it takes time and effort to it .... and we Indians have all the expertise and will, to fix current problems/issues in the country and move forward

As for Pakistan is concerned we really do not care for us Pakistan is just one country in our neighbourhood.... and its more of irritation rather than concern .... we have ambition and capabilities which we have not utilized but we are one right path and only time will tell ....

 

[Adux]

India is not a world power its china. As for india it needs to get settle with pakistan to become a wold power coz unless the bileteral issues are resoveled, pakistan can never accept indian dominace in the region and for that if we have too we are willing to fight.

When it comes to regional dominance, we are already that. There is nothing Pakistan or anybody else can do about it. Pakistan has already lost that fight in my opinion,

When it comes to world power, we have a long way to go.

 

[Awesome]

To become a "Super Power" is an Indian dream. The Americans keep throwing that bone. It's almost like the Indians are looking for a rubber stamp approval from Americans as if that would formalize their status .

 

[Adux]

Sour Grapes Asim...lol...really.our growth is as of now unstopable.

Indians dont need American rubber stamp, when it comes to american bones Pakistan would know better. Nuclear Deal, who threw the bone?

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Asim,

No one is saying that India is a Super Power.

A superpower is a state with a leading position in the international system and the ability to influence events and project power on a worldwide scale; it is considered a higher level of power than a great power. Lyman Miller (Professor of National Security Affairs at the Naval Postgraduate School), defines a superpower as "a country that has the capacity to project dominating power and influence anywhere in the world, and sometimes, in more than one region of the globe at a time, and so may plausibly attain the status of global hegemon."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superpower

The US is the only superpower!

Not Rusia nor China.

 

[Awesome]

Sour Grapes Asim...lol...really.our growth is as of now unstopable.

Indians dont need American rubber stamp, when it comes to american bones Pakistan would know better. Nuclear Deal, who threw the bone?

Funny how the US doesn't use "x POWER" status symbolization with any other country?

Lol Australia is probably MAMMOTH power compared to India... It's just really very stupid... But whatever floats your boat. Americans know what it is.

 

[Adux]

Where did India say it is a super power, the whole point is to have vision to reach that goal in 2020 or by 2030.
Ofcourse Australia commands more influence than India on several matters, your point is?
Why is it India and China are touted as the next super-power's not Pakistan? Sour Grapes