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O.K. re-opened ........can we stick to the topic and not wang size. thanks
Time to admit India future World Power
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lol I agree with Bull, this statement wreaks of "PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE OUR SUPER POWER STATUS, PLEEEEEEEEEEAAAASE".
Lol I bet quite a few countries would just not acknowledge India even if it had Star Wars weaponry, just for fun if India keeps begging for it like this.
Lol I bet quite a few countries would just not acknowledge India even if it had Star Wars weaponry, just for fun if India keeps begging for it like this.
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If only you had cared enough to read that article and find out who wrote it and the name of Australian newspaper website it appeared in before you went ballistic with your renewed attempts at flaming......
Next time please take that extra time and make you sure know what you're typing about. At least I'd do that much for the sake of being a Moderator!
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I dont remember even once when India has begged for this. But its some stupid writer who whips up jingoism to get his article published.
On the contrary there are lot of sane guys who have said ithas the potential, thats abt it.
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on a sidenote,
potential = mainly population + little bit of directional mass, aiming for growth and prosperity
To put it clearly, it is not out of design that India 'maybe' destined to be a future world power, but by default given the people of the country.
So - NOTHING to f' write about, blitz.
WTF ? I just posted an article from an Australian on an Australian news site. The only thing Indian in it is that its about India. Why are people after me ? Its a freakin article. Go sue the writer and stop busting my balls.
I have a funny feeling that half the people commenting on this thread have not even read the article.
I have a funny feeling that half the people commenting on this thread have not even read the article.
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I havnt, i admit. My comments are on the title. Whatever the author has written in there wont justify that title. And the comments are against the author not against you.
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ditto as bull above.
But pray tell us, wtf do you think you intended when you posted an (idiotic - just going by the title) article like that on defence.pk
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Lol....i feel for you dude!!!
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I thought you felt for all "DudeS"
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I have refrained from posting in this thread as I wanted to read what other Hon members thought. Here is what I think.
Historically India has always been a great country. It was a great power during Asoka, Guptas who colonised Thailand/Malaysian penisula. During Kanishka and lastly during Akbar's reign when most of Afghanistan was ruled from by an Indian king. Thus India/sub contninent has always had a potential of achieving greatnes.
No doubt that India's stature has been steadily growing in the world. Take-off started during the opening up of India by Narisma Rao and with the growth in IT; and with $100-billion in Forex reserves, India is on the verge becoming an economic powerhouse.
Nuclear deal is much touted but if you scrutinize it closely, it wont make much difference to Indian status. Energy is the most important ingredient for continued growth; nuclear deal will help ease India's power shortage and thus accelerate the economic growth. India went nuclear in 1974. I knew of Indian rockets and space programs while still a student in 60's. India has had experience in aeronautics and missles/rocket technolgy for a few years; thanks to brilliant men such as Abul Kalam. So how this deal will enhance India's military capability?? All it has done is the recognition by US of India's potential whether Pakistan likes it or not.
I have a limited knowldge and intellect, but even I am astonished that while on one hand, half of Pakistan population is strongly anti US, about 10% ( guess) hates US to an extent that they bomb and even burn US Embassy, TV commentators, press and politicians dont tire of blaming US for every evil in the world;at the same time we expect US to help us in nuclear technology!! Current US Aid is not because US loves Pakistan, but because US needs Pakistan. Any one who doesnot understand this reality is naive in the extreme.
A super power by definition implies that if rest of the world excluding super power/powers is one side and a single super power on the other side, super power will prevail. On this basis India will not be a super power in forseable future.
Regional power: A country which has the potential of beating all other regional countries in a conflict. India already qualifies. India would suffer great damage no doubt, but would eventaully win. ( I dont include China in this region)
World Power: IMO world power means a country which could exert political influence on distant lands and has ability to use force if necessary. India, thru her expanding Navy and setting up Air bases abroad is defintely trying, whether she will succeed or not is hard to tell.
Another important aspect for world power is exploitation of her economic strength to make other countries do her bidding. US, USSR, China, Japan and to some extent UK have been doing it for quite a while. If a country goes off line, you simply switch off economic/ military aid. If it doesnt help, you ask others to do so ( Sanctions).
It is called neo-coloniasm, but it works. India is way behind in this. Indian economy has no doubt taken off. Indian pyche is however not quite free of its colonial past. If India wants Security Council seat; all she has to do is to agree to hold an internationally monitored refrendom in Kashmir. Does any one really think that majority of sane Kashmiri muslims would like to live with a talibanized Pakistan???. But India wont agree to it. Even if the worst happens, is it the end of the world??. In simple words India lacks magnanimity, one of the essentials of a world power.
India definitely has the potential to be a world power but she is long way off. Firstly India has to start economic aid in a big way. Look at Japan, despite having US bases on its soil, Japan invested heavily in the Eastern Soviet Union. For example, India can start with sunbcontracting part of its growing IT business to Pakistan and Bangla Desh. Do you think that If Pakistan was earning $4 to 5 - billion per year from Indian IT hand out, she will refuse handing over Dawood Ibrahim to India, knowing that to decline the request would cost a lot of hard cash and jobs.
This doesnt mean that as a Pakistani I would like Indian hegemony. But I dont see India even trying it. India tried intimidation ( massing forces along the border) but failed. If the stick doesnt work, why not try the carrot?? Besides. my post is with reference to India and I am not suggesting that India should do it or that Pakistan should accept the carrot.
Based on the above IMO opinion it is too early to decide whether India would be a future world power or not.
Historically India has always been a great country. It was a great power during Asoka, Guptas who colonised Thailand/Malaysian penisula. During Kanishka and lastly during Akbar's reign when most of Afghanistan was ruled from by an Indian king. Thus India/sub contninent has always had a potential of achieving greatnes.
No doubt that India's stature has been steadily growing in the world. Take-off started during the opening up of India by Narisma Rao and with the growth in IT; and with $100-billion in Forex reserves, India is on the verge becoming an economic powerhouse.
Nuclear deal is much touted but if you scrutinize it closely, it wont make much difference to Indian status. Energy is the most important ingredient for continued growth; nuclear deal will help ease India's power shortage and thus accelerate the economic growth. India went nuclear in 1974. I knew of Indian rockets and space programs while still a student in 60's. India has had experience in aeronautics and missles/rocket technolgy for a few years; thanks to brilliant men such as Abul Kalam. So how this deal will enhance India's military capability?? All it has done is the recognition by US of India's potential whether Pakistan likes it or not.
I have a limited knowldge and intellect, but even I am astonished that while on one hand, half of Pakistan population is strongly anti US, about 10% ( guess) hates US to an extent that they bomb and even burn US Embassy, TV commentators, press and politicians dont tire of blaming US for every evil in the world;at the same time we expect US to help us in nuclear technology!! Current US Aid is not because US loves Pakistan, but because US needs Pakistan. Any one who doesnot understand this reality is naive in the extreme.
A super power by definition implies that if rest of the world excluding super power/powers is one side and a single super power on the other side, super power will prevail. On this basis India will not be a super power in forseable future.
Regional power: A country which has the potential of beating all other regional countries in a conflict. India already qualifies. India would suffer great damage no doubt, but would eventaully win. ( I dont include China in this region)
World Power: IMO world power means a country which could exert political influence on distant lands and has ability to use force if necessary. India, thru her expanding Navy and setting up Air bases abroad is defintely trying, whether she will succeed or not is hard to tell.
Another important aspect for world power is exploitation of her economic strength to make other countries do her bidding. US, USSR, China, Japan and to some extent UK have been doing it for quite a while. If a country goes off line, you simply switch off economic/ military aid. If it doesnt help, you ask others to do so ( Sanctions).
It is called neo-coloniasm, but it works. India is way behind in this. Indian economy has no doubt taken off. Indian pyche is however not quite free of its colonial past. If India wants Security Council seat; all she has to do is to agree to hold an internationally monitored refrendom in Kashmir. Does any one really think that majority of sane Kashmiri muslims would like to live with a talibanized Pakistan???. But India wont agree to it. Even if the worst happens, is it the end of the world??. In simple words India lacks magnanimity, one of the essentials of a world power.
India definitely has the potential to be a world power but she is long way off. Firstly India has to start economic aid in a big way. Look at Japan, despite having US bases on its soil, Japan invested heavily in the Eastern Soviet Union. For example, India can start with sunbcontracting part of its growing IT business to Pakistan and Bangla Desh. Do you think that If Pakistan was earning $4 to 5 - billion per year from Indian IT hand out, she will refuse handing over Dawood Ibrahim to India, knowing that to decline the request would cost a lot of hard cash and jobs.
This doesnt mean that as a Pakistani I would like Indian hegemony. But I dont see India even trying it. India tried intimidation ( massing forces along the border) but failed. If the stick doesnt work, why not try the carrot?? Besides. my post is with reference to India and I am not suggesting that India should do it or that Pakistan should accept the carrot.
Based on the above IMO opinion it is too early to decide whether India would be a future world power or not.
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Sir,
Neither Pakistan nor Bangladesh is a safe bet for an investor. Economic and Political turmoil has gripped these two countries for the past decade. Making it a very uneasy place to invest. As far as India is concerned The wounds are still not dry, for us to even contemplate that. But time will come when that will happen.
India has only started growing in past 15 years, while China is nearing 25. Indian directions can only be judged after 5 years. Forget your on concerns magnamity, India lacks strategic vision in many areas, in my opinion there is a urgent need of politicans and beaurcrats over 55 to die off immediately in India, for it progress in the next 10 years. Kashmiri's are very well aware of situation in Pakistan and how it handles Azad Kashmir. Internet has been boon to them for that. Most of them want to be left alone. They either prefer being in India or Independent. You should know that Kashmiri's are the same people who surrounded the SSG contingent in 1965, and alerted the Indian Army.
Neither Pakistan nor Bangladesh is a safe bet for an investor. Economic and Political turmoil has gripped these two countries for the past decade. Making it a very uneasy place to invest. As far as India is concerned The wounds are still not dry, for us to even contemplate that. But time will come when that will happen.
India has only started growing in past 15 years, while China is nearing 25. Indian directions can only be judged after 5 years. Forget your on concerns magnamity, India lacks strategic vision in many areas, in my opinion there is a urgent need of politicans and beaurcrats over 55 to die off immediately in India, for it progress in the next 10 years. Kashmiri's are very well aware of situation in Pakistan and how it handles Azad Kashmir. Internet has been boon to them for that. Most of them want to be left alone. They either prefer being in India or Independent. You should know that Kashmiri's are the same people who surrounded the SSG contingent in 1965, and alerted the Indian Army.
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