Thunder Bravo Shows It's Claws

[Ultima Thule]

No, YOU look closely! C-802 are only carried on inner wing pylon not on the outer because of weight.

So Twin engine fighter like Growler can carry 5 jamming pods and single can only carry 1?
PAF is trying to pull a JF version of Growler and I wont be surprised if they add two additional smaller pods on wing tips which would make a perfect platform for deep strike package.

You're assuming so much sir and we are not USN, its to early to say we are developing JF-17B into Growler like plate form

 

[Thorough Pro]

Member since 2012, only 197 posts and such a serious question? IAF intelligence wing?

can someone please reply to my queries regarding Bravo. Thanks in advance.

Does Pakistan intend to use Bravos as trainers like Myanmar or just strike/specialized role only? (as they didn't want a trainer version originally)

In normal (other than training) missions does weapons officer have any veto over pilots judgment or pilot has the sole ownership of mission and weapons officer is just to assist?

 

[Myth_buster_1]

You're assuming so much sir and we are not USN, its to early to say we are developing JF-17B into Growler like plate form

We can leave growler for another time discussion but did you correct yourself about JF with two jamming pods? those are not C-802 since they can be only carried on outer pylons.

 

[Ultima Thule]

We can leave growler for another time discussion but did you correct yourself about JF with two jamming pods? those are not C-802 since they can be only carried on outer pylons.

i don't think so sir, let agree to disagree

 

[Myth_buster_1]

i don't think so sir, let agree to disagree

or you are being indiot who is agreeing to disagree with facts.
again, c-802 are only carried on inner pylons.
Thank you

 

[Adam_Khan]

Does anyone else notice anything different about these flight helmets? Flattish from the top with bumps or bulges in the front?
View attachment 596928

Standard issue Chinese helmets,nothing new about them.

 

[Ultima Thule]

or you are being indiot who is agreeing to disagree with facts.
again, c-802 are only carried on inner pylons.
Thank you

Ok whatever

 

[kursed]

That's a good question, but as any large institution, things can move slow. This is true for the PAF as it is for USAF and the USN.

For the PAF, the priority right now might be to train lots of pilots to a high standard on the JF-17, and make sure folks (from aircrew to ground crew) are fully adept at what's already there. You don't want folks freezing in the air or making mistakes; you'd much rather a balls-to-the-wall ready crew with OK equipment than fragile ones with better gear.

Once the basis is set, then they'll move towards perfecting niche roles, such as EA/EW (which is a big step, and it may branch into needing decoys, loyal wingman drones, etc too).

It's an issue of time.

PAF currently needs far more pilots for JF-17, than it has trained yet. Also, EW for the foreseeable future will be dependent on new Block III and stand-off capacity - might see a new bird there though.

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

Do you even know how c-802 looks like?
It has distinctive fins with large surface that almost touches the wings!
The above picture with JF-17 has jammer pods not AShM.

My friend, first analyse the data properly before busting the myth.
That fella was pointing the missiles in below image as ECM pods but when I replied him and pointed it out, he changed it with the correct one in his original post.
Please see my reply to that post and see what image is attached there.

 

[Gryphon]

Possibility but I believe blk-III would hold AESA radar so it would have AESA based integrated EW/SPJ system in this case requirement for additional EW pod for blk-III would be minimal

That pic with two EW pods indicates the purpose of these are more than just self protection, therefore if they were seeking escort jamming as well as the traditional standoff jamming mission capabilities then it is a specialized role which need specialized officer at the backseat.

This thing bring JF-17B in the picture and this idea gain more weight when we see initially PAF was reluctant to induct dual seat just for training purpose but now PAF have confirm order for 26 dual seat JF-17 almost equal to half of JF-17 blk-II initial order of 50 aircraft and 1/4 of of initial order blk-I and blk-II ..... eve if we include additional order of 12 JF-17 blk-II the dual seat JF-17B would form 23% of total fleet of JF-17 [excluding bk-III]

I mean what is so special about JF-17B which aroused this much love in PAF hierarchy that they are ready to induct this much number for an aircraft which they initially refused to even consider ....???

• In strike role dual seat offer no advantage over single seat in term weapon carrying ....
• Only training could not be a justifiable excuse for this new found love of PAF for this aircraft

BTW keep in mind we have rumorses that PAF is working on indigenous EW pod as well .....

In one thread, airomerix said that on 27 Feb PAF used 2× AESA-equipped JF-17s (loaded with SD-10As) as EW / ECM assets against Indian ground-based radars.

I wonder if these were JF-17Bs since the enlarged nose section would accommodate the liquid-cooled AESA and not that of the JF-17A (Blk 1/2).


* I assume Chinese liquid-cooled AESA due to (i) loadout of SD-10A's, and (ii) internet rumours that the PAF had selected some 'high spec' AESA and not the Chinese air-cooled one.

My friend, first analyse the data properly before busting the myth.
That fella was pointing the missiles in below image as ECM pods but when I replied him and pointed it out, he changed it with the correct one in his original post.
Please see my reply to that post and see what image is attached there.

True. I had copied the wrong url.

 

[Kingslayerr]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1212101305847754752

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

Besides, I never believe that these are some sort of EW pods .... Unless someone shows an image of actual pod or similar pod.

These two rather look like Mk-20 Rockeye Cluster Bomb that Pakistan produce locally.
The flat round head is either because of no fuse attached or with fuse covered with flat lids as shown below.

Another type of fuse.

Another image with different type of fuse and covering.

 

[Darth Vader]

One thing I learned following the PAF is: WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get).

Basically, if the stated function of the JF-17B is OCU, then that's the role, not EW/EA. Of course, the JF-17Bs can serve in combat when required, but it would be the same role of the Block-2.

Now, I do think the PAF will order many more JF-17s, and of those, there may be JF-17Bs. Not too sure about EW/EA/Growler, but I believe Raptor or H2/H4 deployment is efficient with a two-seater (with the munition operator in the second seat).

What if and thats a big if and i know it will atleast take 1 to 2 decade at minimum with proper work,
Pakistan makes these old frame birds as drone with a good A.I
Instead of pilots that can and will be game changer for region.
Why i dont see any work from Pakistan in regards to A.I
Yes it is bit expensive but if pakistan starts the framework now as currently most of the work is done is by private sector pakistan can atleast catch up.
And Pakistan can design birds specific for that role they will eat these old jets alive.

 

[StormBreaker]

I was traversing some old threads - it is said these two are camera pods.

So, the only EW pod that appears operational with PAF JF-17s is Chinese KG600.

No and no

 

[dilpakistani]

hardpoint right under the wing tip like vippers. interesting. It can mean that it can have 2 more hardpoint under the wing. One is at the tip of it. 4 hardpoints on a wing can be a possibility for this type.