Three-Year-Old Uyghur Boy Dies in Thai Detention

[xenon54 out]

Guys why are you jumping on Pakistanis throath? What would the empathy from Pakistanis change? China can offer more to Pakistan and they have commen interests dont expect too much, everyone has to deal with his own problems, before we look on the outside first look at inside we have enough people among ourselves who first look at ME than CA living in imaginary ''Ummah'' BS.

This problem can only be solved if Turkey steps up by building dialogue with China, everything else is impossible and will negatively affect Uyghurs.

 

[-SINAN-]

Guys why are you jumping on Pakistanis throath? What would the empathy from Pakistanis change? China can offer more to Pakistan and they have commen interests dont expect too much, everyone has to deal with his own problems, before we look on the outside first look at inside we have enough people among ourselves who first look at ME than CA living in imaginary ''Ummah'' BS.

This problem can only be solved if Turkey steps up by building dialogue with China, everything else is impossible and will negatively affect Uyghurs.

Our guys, don't expect something from Pakistan. But at least some recognition from the Pakistani users in PDF as individuals.

About the solution...you are right. We have no friends other than Turkics. We should solve this problem among ourselves. But the reality there is no Turkic union or cooperation. Look at PDF we have no users from other Turkic countries other than Azeris....

We have president who said "Milliyetçiliği ayaklarının altına almış bir iktidarız"... I don't even comment in this thread because of embarrassment.

 

[xenon54 out]

Our guys, don't expect something from Pakistan. But at least some recognition from the Pakistani users in PDF as individuals.

About the solution...you are right. We have no friends other than Turkics. We should solve this problem among ourselves. But the reality there is no Turkic union or cooperation. Look at PDF we have no users from other Turkic countries other than Azeris....

We have president who said "Milliyetçiliği ayaklarının altına almış bir iktidarız"... I don't even comment in this thread because of embarrassment.

I definately consider Pakistanis as friends but we shouldnt expect others to take care of our problems, i think you understood what i mean.

 

[atatwolf]

Guys why are you jumping on Pakistanis throath? What would the empathy from Pakistanis change? China can offer more to Pakistan and they have commen interests dont expect too much, everyone has to deal with his own problems, before we look on the outside first look at inside we have enough people among ourselves who first look at ME than CA living in imaginary ''Ummah'' BS.

This problem can only be solved if Turkey steps up by building dialogue with China, everything else is impossible and will negatively affect Uyghurs.

This is bullshit of course. Tibetans get media attention inthe west because they are Buddhist . Uyhur don't because they are Muslim. The problem is that people stay quite. For example Turkey is critical of China and they told us they don't want that. Imagine more countries doing that. If you also count the other crimes China is committing and their aggressiveness to their neighbors. If they attack neighboring country. We can boycot China and influence their decision making.

 

[atatwolf]

Chinese attack Uyghur male who has a baby in his hands.

 

[T-123456]

if that's a consolation prize for you

Not here to win prizes.

 

[waz]

Our guys, don't expect something from Pakistan. But at least some recognition from the Pakistani users in PDF as individuals.

There have been posters who have come on here and expressed their thoughts. But look at it practically, sections like this are now sub-forums within a bigger forum. Take a look at least a dozen random Turkish threads, and you can count the amount of Pakistanis posting there on one hand. The reasoning behind this, it just comes down to the fact that there are so many Pakistani sections, which take up most of the time of the Pakistani forum members.
Have a look at the Peshawar attack thread that went on for 300 pages. The number of Turks who posted there were few, compared to how many post here, one of which was you brother (thank you), but we didn't take it offensively, or start to write that we are alone and only Pakistanis can care for one another and so forth. We trust in the fact that you are with us, regardless of postings and so forth. Trust is the basis of all brotherhoods, friendships and sO forth.
I remember the findings of the BBC world survey poll, according to the results Turks can't stand us. With 41% having a negative view of Pakistan and Pakistanis. I can't recall any Pakistani member becoming upset or questioning the ties between us.

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/country-rating-poll.pdf

It's unfair my friend for anyone to use this issue as some sort of litmus test to test loyalties of time tested brothers and friends.

 

[Oublious]

a stupid hindistani guy did started pakistani involve. and now we are talking about pakistani.

 

[telkon]

Actually, government is trying to get them into Turkey.....

Türkiye 300 Uygur Türk'ü için düğmeye bastı - Sabah

But no progress so far. China is pressing Thailand.

i know that turkish people's memory is kind of very short. here's something to jolt your memory:

17 gündür Atatürk Havalimanı'nda perişanlar - Hürriyet GÜNDEM

how do you expect turkey to help uyghurs in thailand when it doesn't help the ones right in its doorstep? turkey lacks authority and proactive policies. just talk and talk. let me tell you a story. in 1930ies a kyrgyz tribe fled from russians into afganistan. in 1950ies, they fled to east turkestan. when chicoms invaded east turkestan, they fled back to afghanistan. in 1978, when it became apparent that soviets are intending to invade afganistan, they fled again. this time they fled to pakistan. but pakistan's weather was not suitable for them and they started dying of heat and diseases. in june or july of 1982 it was reported to kenan evren that there are kyrgyz turks suffering in pakistan. in august 1982, 1300 kyrgyz turks were transported by planes to adana and were settled in van/erciş. that's how political power must react to such things.

to chinese users: you really succeeded in downplaying east turkestan problem into mere economic troubles,skipping that this movement is against forced sinicization of uyghur lands. in economically disturbed regions, people tend to move to more prosperous regions within given country, not flee from the country. actually, you said that han are disturbed that uyghurs don't look like yourselves (culturally, linguistically etc) and you use these as justification for forced cultural assimilation. tho, even in ancient times, you as huaxia looked down upon other people as barbarians and perceived yourself as the center of the world LOL

 

[-SINAN-]

i know that turkish people's memory is kind of very short. here's something to jolt your memory:

17 gündür Atatürk Havalimanı'nda perişanlar - Hürriyet GÜNDEM

how do you expect turkey to help uyghurs in thailand when it doesn't help the ones right in its doorstep? turkey lacks authority and proactive policies. just talk and talk. let me tell you a story. in 1930ies a kyrgyz tribe fled from russians into afganistan. in 1950ies, they fled to east turkestan. when chicoms invaded east turkestan, they fled back to afghanistan. in 1978, when it became apparent that soviets are intending to invade afganistan, they fled again. this time they fled to pakistan. but pakistan's weather was not suitable for them and they started dying of heat and diseases. in june or july of 1982 it was reported to kenan evren that there are kyrgyz turks suffering in pakistan. in august 1982, 1300 kyrgyz turks were transported by planes to adana and were settled in van/erciş. that's how political power must react to such things.

to chinese users: you really succeeded in downplaying east turkestan problem into mere economic troubles,skipping that this movement is against forced sinicization of uyghur lands. in economically disturbed regions, people tend to move to more prosperous regions within given country, not flee from the country. actually, you said that han are disturbed that uyghurs don't look like yourselves (culturally, linguistically etc) and you use these as justification for forced cultural assimilation. tho, even in ancient times, you as huaxia looked down upon other people as barbarians and perceived yourself as the center of the world LOL

@atatwolf pakistanlılardan niye bir şey bekliyorsun ki? onların türkiye ile bağları tamamen osmanlı'nın halifeliği elinde bulundurması ile ilgili. şu anki modern ulus-devlet olgusunu da zaten din etrafında kurmuşlar. etnik köken onlar için hiçbir şey ifade etmiyor.

You right...While i was posting that....I thought "maybe government is just acting because this issue got media attention."

There have been posters who have come on here and expressed their thoughts. But look at it practically, sections like this are now sub-forums within a bigger forum. Take a look at least a dozen random Turkish threads, and you can count the amount of Pakistanis posting there on one hand. The reasoning behind this, it just comes down to the fact that there are so many Pakistani sections, which take up most of the time of the Pakistani forum members.
Have a look at the Peshawar attack thread that went on for 300 pages. The number of Turks who posted there were few, compared to how many post here, one of which was you brother (thank you), but we didn't take it offensively, or start to write that we are alone and only Pakistanis can care for one another and so forth. We trust in the fact that you are with us, regardless of postings and so forth. Trust is the basis of all brotherhoods, friendships and sO forth.
I remember the findings of the BBC world survey poll, according to the results Turks can't stand us. With 41% having a negative view of Pakistan and Pakistanis. I can't recall any Pakistani member becoming upset or questioning the ties between us.

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/country-rating-poll.pdf

It's unfair my friend for anyone to use this issue as some sort of litmus test to test loyalties of time tested brothers and friends.

Mate, When "Soma Mine incident" occured, many Pakistanis. Post in that thread. Soma Coal Mine Disaster | News and Discussion

About Peshewar attack, at least 10 Turkish user gave their condolences. That's like 1/6 of the Turkish community here. See the huge difference.

That had been always the case with Uyghur-Chinses related topics.

 

[atatwolf]

About Peshewar attack every online Turkish member gave their condolences. I don't know why @waz brought that up. Because some Turkish members forgot to give their condolences doesn't mean you have to be heartless towards Uyghur. He even compared Taliban in Pakistan to the Uyghur refugees and then quickly changed the subject when he saw my reaction.

 

[TurAr]

Dışarıdaki Türkler bizim hükümetin bile umrunda değilken buradaki Pakistanlılardan neden empati bekleniyor anlamıyorum...

 

[waz]

Mate, When "Soma Mine incident" occured, many Pakistanis. Post in that thread. Soma Coal Mine Disaster | News and Discussion

About Peshewar attack, at least 10 Turkish user gave their condolences. That's like 1/6 of the Turkish community here. See the huge difference.

That had been always the case with Uyghur-Chinses related topics.

That's a thread that did attract a great deal of replies, but that's not the trend in general i.e. posting in Turkish threads.
I did say that people did pay their condolences, it was seven posters I think. But that event was the most traumatic in our living history, more so than any war. This was a massacre, ruthless mass murder, yet no one said only a 1/6 came out. The issue is, Pakistani posters have come on and commented but some people do not deem this good enough. Many folks are also woefully ignorant of the Uyghur, in the sense that they don't know how much it means to nationalist Turks.

 

[waz]

About Peshewar attack every online Turkish member gave their condolences. I don't know why @waz brought that up. Because some Turkish members forgot to give their condolences doesn't mean you have to be heartless towards Uyghur. He even compared Taliban in Pakistan to the Uyghur refugees and then quickly changed the subject when he saw my reaction.

I've already explained the Peshawar part in my earlier post. You don't know why I bought that up? If you don't then you need to look at your own posts. It's you who has been questioning the number of Pakistani posters on this thread, and then trying to spin it as some sort of treachery. I showed you, that just because people do not post, it doesn't mean they don't care.

Now you're accusing me of being heartless to the Uyghur, no I haven't been, and my posts are here for all to see.

You then launch a heinous lie saying that I compared the Uyghur to the Taliban, no I didn't and here is the post you refer to.

Pakistanis vary in opinion, as does every nation on earth. You will have those who will speak up. Some will stay neutral, which is fine, but in this case condolences should have been offered. Others will instantly dismiss it as nonsense. That's people for you. We have the very same issues in our internal politics i.e. the ongoing war against the Taliban. Now here we are talking about the lives of our own people, and you have folks from Pakistan swimming in ignorance and indifference.

Anyway, I don't want to go off-topic.

Now, I know English is probably a second language for you, but every other Turkish brother understood what I was saying and didn't have a problem with it.

As for "and then quickly changed the subject when he saw my reaction". Firtly you asked me about the post and here was my reply.

You haven't understood a word I have said. I didn't compare the two at all. They are not comparable. I stated that when you have events such as the death of the young boy, condemnation should happen, but you have people skirting the issue. When you have clear atrocities committed by the Talibs, again people side step, make apologies and so forth. The two issues were used to explain the range of opinion, and not at all to link or compare the two.

You didn't mention it again.

Now, for you again. The reason why these situations were mentioned was because my people have trouble condemning things when our own citizens get massacred i.e. showing the ridiculous ignorance we have amongst our own masses. Now with something as extreme as that, what hope do we have for them to see things wrong elsewhere i.e. the topic of this thread.

No where have I stated that the Uyghur are the Taliban. That's the link you made up, to malign me.

As for the rest of it atawolf, you have been handed several bans here previously, yes you can say that it was arguing with Chinese members etc, but I am beginning to see a similar pattern here. You seem to be provoking people and are sowing the seeds of distrust.

Yes atawolf I saw your many posts in Turkish, questioning our sincerity and so forth, that Hakan deleted, and it's not the first time. In the past you have also used this issue to poison ties between Turks and Pakistanis, which you are trying your upmost to do on here. If you wish to question our sincerity or plain simply want to wreak long cherished ties, please do so in English.

Now the Turks on this forum have their own section,they have their own moderator, they have a place they can call home, they have place at our side, they can discuss anything they want without the fear of crazy trolling from Western European nationalists,nationalist Kurds, some Iranians, Greeks and so forth. If you wish to ruin that, then that will be tragedy for us all.

 

[atatwolf]

I've already explained the Peshawar part in my earlier post. You don't know why I bought that up? If you don't then you need to look at your own posts. It's you who has been questioning the number of Pakistani posters on this thread, and then trying to spin it as some sort of treachery. I showed you, that just because people do not post, it doesn't mean they don't care.

Now you're accusing me of being heartless to the Uyghur, no I haven't been, and my posts are here for all to see.

You then launch a heinous lie saying that I compared the Uyghur to the Taliban, no I didn't and here is the post you refer to.



Now, I know English is probably a second language for you, but every other Turkish brother understood what I was saying and didn't have a problem with it.

As for "and then quickly changed the subject when he saw my reaction". Firtly you asked me about the post and here was my reply.



You didn't mention it again.

Now, for you again. The reason why these situations were mentioned was because my people have trouble condemning things when our own citizens get massacred i.e. showing the ridiculous ignorance we have amongst our own masses. Now with something as extreme as that, what hope do we have for them to see things wrong elsewhere i.e. the topic of this thread.

No where have I stated that the Uyghur are the Taliban. That's the link you made up, to malign me.

As for the rest of it atawolf, you have been handed several bans here previously, yes you can say that it was arguing with Chinese members etc, but I am beginning to see a similar pattern here. You seem to be provoking people and are sowing the seeds of distrust.

Yes atawolf I saw your many posts in Turkish, questioning our sincerity and so forth, that Hakan deleted, and it's not the first time. In the past you have also used this issue to poison ties between Turks and Pakistanis, which you are trying your upmost to do on here. If you wish to question our sincerity or plain simply want to wreak long cherished ties, please do so in English.

Now the Turks on this forum have their own section,they have their own moderator, they have a place they can call home, they have place at our side, they can discuss anything they want without the fear of crazy trolling from Western European nationalists,nationalist Kurds, some Iranians, Greeks and so forth. If you wish to ruin that, then that will be tragedy for us all.

Unless you can speak fluently Turkish which I don't think you do. You probably used google translate and got the wrong things out of it.. No where did I question Turkish-Pakistani relations. I was talking about the amount of post this particular thread we are in was getting or was not getting and that I appecriated that some non-Turks responded to this thread. Every can think what they want. Also you are right. English is not my first language but you used google translate to judge me and I think you went wrong there because you got the wrong things out of there. We said we don't expect anything from Pakistani because you have limited leverage in the region but I also made the observation that we have differences about empathy towards Uyhur. These are not lies but observations. They can be true or not. Everybody can decide for themselves. Next time you can just ask what we are saying instead of using google translate since you can make the wrong conclusions.