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Three Huge Ways Pakistan Still Isn’t Cooperating

The capture of Mullah Baradar doesn't change the fact that, on many important security issues, the United States and Pakistan still don't see eye to eye.

BY DAVID KENNER | FEBRUARY 18, 2010

The dramatic news of Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar's capture has revived a long-dormant spirit of optimism regarding the U.S.-led effort in Afghanistan. Eager for a clear-cut victory after the country's slow-motion collapse during the past five years, many hoped that the arrest of Baradar, Taliban leader Mullah Omar's top deputy, would not only be a turning point for the NATO war effort in Afghanistan, but would also usher in a new era of cooperation with Pakistan's main spy agency, Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI).

In the New York Times' article on Baradar's capture, the paper referred to unnamed Americans who think Pakistani officials, most notably Gen. Ashfaq Kayani, "have gradually come around to the view that they can no longer support the Taliban in Afghanistan ... without endangering themselves." Baradar's arrest was evidence of a "sea change in Pakistani behavior," Bruce Riedel, a former CIA official, told the Times.

Not so fast. The circumstances surrounding Baradar's capture are still murky, making it difficult to extract any meaning from the Pakistani decision to arrest the Taliban leader. And even if U.S. and Pakistani interests overlapped in the case of Baradar, there are still a slew of outstanding issues between the two countries that appear no closer to resolution.

"The basic problem is that there are things we don't know about this operation, and that we will probably never know," says Teresita Schaffer, director of the South Asia Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. The most optimistic explanation is that the ISI thinks the Afghan Taliban has become a threat to its interests in Pakistan, and has decided to move against the group. But Schaffer also floated another, less cheerful, possibility: Baradar, as suggested by this Newsweek profile, is more open to negotiations with Afghan President Hamid Karzai's government than some of the Taliban hierarchy's hard-line members. The ISI could have arrested him in a bid to thwart negotiations meant to assimilate the Afghan Taliban back into Afghanistan's political fold, which would likely cost Pakistan its influence as the group's patron. In other words, given the information available to the public, the Pakistanis could have arrested Baradar with the hopes of halting Taliban attacks against NATO forces in Afghanistan -- or they could have arrested him in an attempt to continue those attacks.

Even assuming that Baradar's arrest is a step in the right direction, there remains a long list of issues on which the United States and the Pakistani military do not see eye to eye. The most obvious is the Haqqani network, which operates out of North Waziristan and has become one of the most lethal threats to NATO forces in Afghanistan. Although General Kayani has shown a willingness to go after Taliban operatives in South Waziristan, the Pakistani military has repeatedly rebuffed U.S. requests to take on Haqqani operatives to the north. For years, U.S. officials have accused the ISI of maintaining links to tribal patriarch Jalaluddin Haqqani. In one particularly blunt message delivered in 2008, CIA Deputy Director Stephen Kappes traveled to Islamabad to tell the Pakistanis, "[W]e know there's a connection ... and we think you could do more and we want you to do more about it," as summarized by a senior American official to the New York Times. U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates has also stated publicly that Pakistan's ties to the Haqqani network, as well as other extremist groups in the tribal areas, "are a real concern to us." The ISI is thought to maintain its ties to Haqqani because it perceives his organization as a valuable asset in countering Indian influence in Afghanistan.

Pakistan's fixation with India has also led the country to sponsor Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), a paramilitary group focused on forcing India out of Kashmir. The United States designated LeT as a terrorist organization in December 2001, in the aftermath of the September 11 attacks; under Western pressure, then Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf also banned the group in 2002. Nevertheless, LeT reconstituted itself as Jamaat-ud-Dawa and continued to plan and carry out attacks against Indian interests, culminating in the spectacular November 2008 attacks in Mumbai. The Mumbai massacre raised to a fever pitch Western and Indian calls for Pakistan to crack down on the organization. "Pakistan has restricted the aboveground organization, Jamaat-ud-Dawa, but not to a significant degree," notes Stephen Tankel, a visiting scholar at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and author of the forthcoming Storming the World Stage: The Story of Lashkar-e-Taiba. "They can operate under different names, and they continue to raise funds."

If anything, Lashkar-e-Taiba has only escalated its activities in the past year. The day after Feb. 12's announcement that Pakistan and India would hold talks for the first time since the Mumbai attacks, a bomb exploded outside a crowded cafe in the Indian city of Pune, killing nine people. Indian authorities immediately made it clear where their suspicions lay -- with Lashkar-e-Taiba. Home Minister Palaniappan Chidambaram responded by announcing renewed efforts to interview David Headley, a Pakistani-American held in the United States who is allegedly an LeT member. Whether or not LeT's leadership ordered the Pune attack, Tankel says, "the group has clearly been emboldened and is ramping up its transnational activities." That isn't exactly an encouraging sign that Pakistan is doing everything in its power to clamp down on the organization.

Pakistan has charged seven individuals for involvement in the planning of the Mumbai attacks, including LeT's operational commander and the plot's alleged mastermind, Zaki ur-Rehman Lakhvi. Although this is an important step, Western and Indian officials have been frustrated by the trial's slow pace -- and particularly disappointed by a Pakistani court's decision to free Hafiz Saeed, the head of Jamaat-ud-Dawa, who they accuse of being behind the attack. The court claimed that it lacked sufficient evidence to hold him. In addition to New Delhi's anger that Saeed is not facing trial, Tankel stated, "there is concern on the Indian side that there are other people who aren't being tried, who should be tried." He added that some in India have also alleged Pakistan is inflating the importance of several of the LeT functionaries who are on trial.

Pakistan also maintains extensive contacts with underground figures with connections to India, most notoriously the Mumbai-born crime boss Dawood Ibrahim, according to a January Congressional Research Service report. Ibrahim's organization, reportedly with the ISI's assistance, carried out a number of bombing attacks on March 12, 1993, that killed 257 people. Ibrahim subsequently relocated to Karachi, where under the ISI's protection, his organization has "developed links to Lashkar-e-Tayyiba" and "found common cause with al Qaeda and shares its smuggling routes with that terrorist group," the report says. Pakistan has ignored repeated requests from India to extradite Ibrahim -- most recently, on the suspicion that he played a role in the 2008 Mumbai attacks.

The lack of progress in resolving these outstanding issues should discourage the United States from expecting a volte-face from Pakistan. "You have to remember the [Pakistani] military is in some ways very cautious," Schaffer says. "It has gone through a period of looking very bad in front of their people, and they don't want to look bad again." Pakistan's fraught relationship with India is not going away anytime soon, and for that reason, the military is loath to sever ties with its longstanding clients. So, however much Baradar's arrest may cause U.S. commentators to dream of a revolution in Pakistani foreign policy, they will likely have to satisfy themselves with incremental progress.

Three Huge Ways Pakistan Still Isn't Cooperating | Foreign Policy
 
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"In other news, Pakistan is not ruled by either the US or India. World shocked."

Concur.

According to the article Pakistan may choose to continue clinging to its proxy Haqqani and LeT/criminal networks. Quite possibly this will be done while flagging Baradar before the world as proof of their steadfast cooperation and contribution to the WoT.

Excellent assessment by you.

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well what a ''amazing article'' obviously he is the ''first'' person saying that , i mean common some thing has to be wrong !!! how can it be so simple that isi and cia launched a operation and captured a terrorist leader .. that is just to simple some thing deep and big must be going on here , and wow i mean some people will go so far to prove there point that he is now referring Badar as a ''good man '' !!!! i mean havent the whole of the west media been telling us all those year that there is no good taliban ???
wow i mean this article has openend my eyes to the deception of pakistani gov , he must be given a Noble prize right now .!!!!!!!!!!!:hitwall:
 
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A Pakistan that is nothing less than a slave to US demands is what these people want. No thanks, GO.
 
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So the so-called Non-state actors are pretty much state actors or acting on behalf of the state. So much for doing enough on terror ! Pakistan has divine luck with them that Dr Singh is at the helm as the PM as he blunders along in his flip-flop policy on terror and Pakistan which has flopped and will continue to....
 
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"The basic problem is that there are things we don't know about this operation, and that we will probably never know," says Teresita Schaffer, director of the South Asia Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. The most optimistic explanation is that the ISI thinks the Afghan Taliban has become a threat to its interests in Pakistan, and has decided to move against the group. But Schaffer also floated another, less cheerful, possibility: Baradar, as suggested by this Newsweek profile, is more open to negotiations with Afghan President Hamid Karzai's government than some of the Taliban hierarchy's hard-line members. The ISI could have arrested him in a bid to thwart negotiations meant to assimilate the Afghan Taliban back into Afghanistan's political fold, which would likely cost Pakistan its influence as the group's patron. In other words, given the information available to the public, the Pakistanis could have arrested Baradar with the hopes of halting Taliban attacks against NATO forces in Afghanistan -- or they could have arrested him in an attempt to continue those attacks.

But I thought ISI was only able to arrest barader after super conclusive intelligence from CIA about his whereabouts etc. If ISI arrested him to push their own agenda in Afghanistan then there was no CIA intelligence on Barader. But since there was CIA input involved, as it has been claimed, then ISI didn't arrest him for their own purposes. Why would CIA help ISI take out a guy they were interested in talking to? God, make up your mind western media. Your suspicions on every Pakistani effort in WoT hurts relations between the two country as well as cooperation between both armed forces and builds more trust deficit.

P.S. Pakistan and it's media or everything Pakistan is accused of promoting conspiracy theories and clinging to the most farfetched ideas but reading this article and what conspires in the mind of western journalists it's getting obvious there's quiet some dirty eggs in this basket, too.
 
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"In other news, Pakistan is not ruled by either the US or India. World shocked."

Concur.

According to the article Pakistan may choose to continue clinging to its proxy Haqqani and LeT/criminal networks. Quite possibly this will be done while flagging Baradar before the world as proof of their steadfast cooperation and contribution to the WoT.

Excellent assessment by you.

Thanks.:usflag:

All the article is doing is posing various theories based on conjecture, which may or may not be correct (I don't know).

All Pakistanis are saying is that we are not following the American script handed down to us because we are not your 51st state. The US has an option to not rely on Pakistan at all. No one has imposed an alliance with Pakistan on the US. You can always use the prized fighting force that is the ANA to do the work the PA won't do for you. Good luck.

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"You can always use the prized fighting force that is the ANA to do the work the PA won't do for you."

Not on your lands we can't. The world isn't shocked that you choose proxy warfare to substitute for your manifest weakness in gaining strategic objectives otherwise.

That's work beyond the PA's direct capabilities. Nobody expects Pakistan to be able to conquer Kashmir with your army or even do so in Afghanistan. Your nuclear weapons provide sufficient protection until Pakistan demonstrates a clear and present danger to any nation possessing the means to destroy it.

It doesn't afford Pakistan, however, the ability to project power by any means other than proxies. Therefore the rest of mankind understands Pakistan's dilemma even if rejecting it's abhorrent and universally condemned methods.

The rest of the world hope Baradar's arrest signals a profound change but many here understand doing so will force Pakistan to conduct its pursuit of strategic goals by means it has heretofore shown no capability-diplomacy and economic progress. Those would be a powerful inducement, for instance, to a government of Afghanistan that is only now being raised forth through the help of mankind.

So either Pakistan learns to develop those talents that remain undemonstrated or reverts to the only recourse available-proxy armies that are Pakistan's contribution to the rest of us.

Pakistan can achieve its goals in no other fashion and hasn't yet learned that neither can it achieve its strategic goals by the limited power-projection capabilities of proxies.

Nor have many in Pakistan yet learned the full cost for attempting the impossible. Those lessons continue to be administered daily to your vulnerable public and are your cost for such a persistent learning deficiency.

Thanks:usflag:.
 
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Lets count the ways the US is still not cooperating...

1. Supplying Nuclear fuel to India
2. Supplying better weapons to India
3. Refusing to sell UCAV tech
4. Free ride to India on its subjugation of Kashmir
 
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"In other news, Pakistan is not ruled by either the US or India. World shocked."

Concur.

According to the article Pakistan may choose to continue clinging to its proxy Haqqani and LeT/criminal networks. Quite possibly this will be done while flagging Baradar before the world as proof of their steadfast cooperation and contribution to the WoT.

Excellent assessment by you.

More like stop acting like a spoiled brat (the US) throwing a tantrum of ME! ME! ME! ME!

Get in line, wait your turn, and we'll deal with the issues when our priorities allows us to and we are not constrained to do so.
 
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More like stop acting like a spoiled brat (the US) throwing a tantrum of ME! ME! ME! ME!

Get in line, wait your turn, and we'll deal with the issues when our priorities allows us to and we are not constrained to do so.
Exactly, who died and made them God...? :D

The US doesn't behave like a friend and expects us to carry the BFF tag along. The only thing is that our previous generations have sucked up to the US for so long like lap dogs that they demand obedience from us. The new generation, and as ours comes up, we're asserting our independence and the US doesn't like it.

The new generation doesn't even support the use of proxies, but supports the use of armed conflict to take out our enemies. If Afghanistan is a post America world becomes our enemy, we have every right to use all means necessary to limit their capabilities from harming us.

The US nuked Japan to end WWII. The US if faced with major destruction won't shy away from nuking anyone again. I in fact like that about them. National interest is supreme. The Americans should know, that what we like, we imitate. We are developing similar attitudes where Pakistan comes first.
 
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Its another stupid stuff ment for their local innocent public consuption , People know how Pakistan is contributing , Now this cooperation could certainly increase if the US changes its laws for Pakistan too and engage us in Nuclear deal similar to Indian and Plus give us reapers to hit those haqqani fellas , couse we are sick and tired of loosing brave men who fight for a couse and yet their efforts go unrewarded when some pathetic ppl(who dont know **** of how things work) say , hey they are just faking , they didnt wanted to do this , it happend out of mere accident and some good luck .... and horn keeps on blowing ..!
If the US wants PA to go after the Haqqani network , it will have to first earn for that level of cooperation ...and by shielding India inside Afghanistan , i am 200,000% sure that Haqqani wont even be touched ...!
 
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"More like stop acting like a spoiled brat (the US) throwing a tantrum of ME! ME! ME! ME!"

Haven't you any more articulate response than stomping for attention? That's the third time now you've resorted to such nonsense and I hope it's the last.

There's a serious issue here of a dead Haqqani up in Miram Shah demonstrating that likely nothing will ever be taken care of by quietly waiting in line. People are dying by your proxies and it's not a bit painful for me to remind you of such. Eight years of waiting, A.M.



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