Threat to Pakistan-Iran gas pipeline

[OrionHunter]

By pressing Pakistan to shelve IP project, Washington can deprive Iran of the economic bonanza associated with its gas exports to Pakistan, India or China

And deprive Pakistan and India too of an economic bonanza! But then the Yanks care a hoot as long as it serves their national interests.

 

[Abii]

And deprive Pakistan and India too of an economic bonanza! But then the Yanks care a hoot as long as it serves their national interests.

Most of the times their decisions actually don't serve their interests. They think in terms of years. They don't even think medium term.

Creating the taliban, making Iran an enemy by installing the shah, not helping the shah later when he needed help, sanctioning Iran, making Pakistan an enemy, attacking Iraq for no real reason what so ever etc...

That's why their empire lasted only 70 years.

 

[longbrained]

Most of the times their decisions actually don't serve their interests. They think in terms of years. They don't even think medium term.

Creating the taliban, making Iran an enemy by installing the shah, not helping the shah later when he needed help, sanctioning Iran, making Pakistan an enemy, attacking Iraq for no real reason what so ever etc...

That's why their empire lasted only 70 years.

Do you think when empire breaks, California will join Canada or prefer to live as small neighbouring country to the big Canada, pretty much like how Kuwait lives next to Iran?

And,

this true story:

Ontario (a Canadian province) has very strict environmental laws. The sewage from major cities specially that of Toronto is collected and processed. Water is filtered out, chemically purified, recycled and re-entered into nature. The solid waste is made into briks and put on trucks to be dumped a little farther away so that Ontario remains clean. The trucks go south of border to US for dumping for which Americans send the bill to Canadians at year's end.

It is a purely commercial agreement and is not meant as an offence or felicitation. It is just business. But when finally true democracy prevails in US, do you think Americans would allow you still to sell them crap and if they decline to take part in such shoddy deals, what would Ontario do with all that excrement after all Canadians are not going to stop going to toilet?

 

[BATMAN]

So it is not aid from Iran, as media has been reporting it so far.

In such case, Iran shall fight back to win lucrative Pakistan market and we all know how. I'm Mr. 10%

 

[longbrained]

So it is not aid from Iran, as media has been reporting it so far.

True Pakistanis do not beg. Only persistent beggars frown when learning that they are not going to get any pennies.

By the way, Iran has been providing Pakistan oil on deferred payment and has also offered the same option on this gas pipe line and for the proposed oil pipe line. It is a good deal.

 

[JayAtl]

five days on May 28, 2009, Iran closed its border with Pakistan following a suicide bomber attack on a mosque in Zahidan that killed 20 people. Jundallah had claimed responsibility for the blast. The diplomatic tension between the two countries mounted at a time when there was no outstanding issue impeding the project for laying a gas pipeline between the two countries.

did anyone bother to read this part? Iranian govt is not a stable partner...you dont have to go to extremes else terrorist wins

 

[Kompromat]

INDIANS--Pakistanis---Chinese

Unite against "mother in law" our interests are for the first time in history United at one PIPE ! - lets not let it go down , we must show the Mother in Law that she has to piss off our lands and let us provide a better life for our people and fuel our economies with energy.

 

[Mike2011]

Key is that, we should trick Pakistan to invest huge amount on pipeline.
Pakistan will be indebted. Since we are the only customer, we will have huge leverage on Pak.

 

[Kompromat]

Key is that, we should trick Pakistan to invest huge amount on pipeline.
Pakistan will be indebted. Since we are the only customer, we will have huge leverage on Pak.

All right sparky , how about we shut that damn pipeline and give it to Chinese [which we will] .

 

[Mike2011]

Well economic 101. Buyer has more leverage then seller.

 

[Kompromat]

Well economic 101. Buyer has more leverage then seller.

That is one rubbish theory , if the supplier turns the tap off where would the buyer go ? , India would have to pay transit and security fees to Pakistan and would always be Dependant on our "Gentelman's" promise to not blockade the gas or cut it off.

Unless you are ready to pay 3 times the development costs and 5-7 years of development of underwater pipeline from Oman.

 

[Mike2011]

That is one rubbish theory , if the supplier turns the tap off where would the buyer go ? , India would have to pay transit and security fees to Pakistan and would always be Dependant on our "Gentelman's" promise to not blockade the gas or cut it off.

Unless you are ready to pay 3 times the development costs and 5-7 years of development of underwater pipeline from Oman.

As I said India is only customer for pakistan, If india declines to buy gas, then pakistan will be bag holder.
Well right now, we are getting gas using tankers, will be keep the infra for the future use as well.

 

[pmukherjee]

INDIANS--Pakistanis---Chinese

Unite against "mother in law" our interests are for the first time in history United at one PIPE ! - lets not let it go down , we must show the Mother in Law that she has to piss off our lands and let us provide a better life for our people and fuel our economies with energy.

I would not recommend for you to try that in real life with the real mil though. The results may not be very happy.

 

[cyphercide]

Well economic 101. Buyer has more leverage then seller.

Common sense 101,Pakistan will never fund the pipeline to go on till India and we probably will have to come up with the remainder funds.Hence,Pakistan can easily pick up the benefits of the pipeline while we get stuck footing the bill.

 

[DV RULES]

Pakistan dithers on Iran gas pipeline plan


Wednesday, October 26, 2011

ISLAMABAD: Federal Minister for Petroleum Dr Asim Hussain has said a breakthrough in the project for laying a pipeline to import natural gas from Iran depends on an “understanding” with the international community.
During an interview with the VOA on Tuesday he said Pakistan was working on the project but progress depended on world conditions. “Progress on the Iran-Pakistan (IP) gas pipeline project depends on international understanding,” he said.
Twenty million cubic meters gas will be imported per day from Iran under the IP gas pipeline project that will cost $7.5 billion. The 2775 km long pipeline is expected to be completed by 2016.
The current statement of the minister apparently makes the project of importing natural gas from Iran doubtful. On the contrary, Iranian officials recently gave optimistic statements about completing the project at the earliest. The Iranian foreign minister had told Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani in September that the Iranian part of the Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline would be completed by the middle of next year while PM Gilani had also emphasised the early completion of the gas pipeline project and the import of 1,000 MW electricity from Iran.
During his visit to Pakistan in September, Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Saleh said Iran was ready to lay the pipeline in Pakistani territory and that Iran could even start exporting electricity immediately if it could be connected with the grid system of Pakistan.
Dr Hussain has also said Iran has offered to supply 10,000 MW electricity to Pakistan to overcome the current power shortage. He said a plan to lay the transmission line in this connection is under consideration. At present Pakistan is importing 35 MW electricity from Iran for Gwadar and plans are also under way to increase it to 100 MW.
Since the decade of the ’90s Pakistan has been trying to implement the proposed plan of laying the pipeline to import natural gas from Iran. But the international community, particularly the US, does not support the plan and hence Pakistan has always taken a cautious approach towards the issue.
In August this year, Pakistan sought a six-month waiver from Iran in executing its part of the $3 billion IP gas pipeline project. Both sides had agreed on the GSPA commencement date of December 31, 2014 to make the project operational, and there was a clause of take and pay in the agreement under which any of the two countries that caused a delay in completing the project would be liable to $200 million penalty per month after December 31, 2014. Both countries are to complete the project under a segmented approach.
According to a top official at the ministry of petroleum and natural resources, Pakistan has formally asked Tehran to extend a waiver for at least six months since Pakistan fears that the project might get delayed because of unforeseen hurdles.
During her tour of Pakistan last week, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, without mincing any words, expressed American reservations about the Pakistan-Iran gas pipeline project. She said, “Iran is a very difficult, rather dangerous neighbour of all countries whose borders meet with it. Apparently no prediction can be made about the internal political and economic situation in Iran.”


Pakistan dithers on Iran gas pipeline plan