Thread by request: Issues facing Pakistan and their potential solutions

[The Accountant]

Then why are you denying 22:78? AstaghfirUllaaah.



Okay, what is the total number of religious and other holidays in both of those countries, and how does that correlated with GDP per capita and HDI?

When did i deny 22:78?. I am saying its just one aspect

 

[VCheng]

When did i deny 22:78?. I am saying its just one aspect

So now you accept that Allah Himself has told us there is no hardship in Islam. Thank you.

 

[The Accountant]

It is you who has to prove the correlation. You are making the claim not me

 

[VCheng]

It is you who has to prove the correlation. You are making the claim not me

And what claim is that precisely?

 

[The Accountant]

So now you accept that Allah Himself has told us there is no hardship in Islam. Thank you.

No i am saying that this is one aspect Allah also ordered to kill non beloevers. And if you want to redicule islam by quoting just one ayat and ignoring the others than only Allah can helo u

And what claim is that precisely?

Read your OP

 

[VCheng]

No i am saying that this is one aspect Allah also ordered to kill non beloevers. And if you want to redicule islam by quoting just one ayat and ignoring the others than only Allah can helo u


Read your OP

You asked the question "who told you", did you not? I gave you the answer.

Read your OP

I have, I wrote it. Please tell me which claim are you talking about here?

 

[The Accountant]

You asked the question "who told you", did you not? I gave you the answer.



I have, I wrote it. Please tell me which claim are you talking about here?

You are going out of context reference. That ayat is for believers only those who practice islam and not for people who are against practicing islam

 

[VCheng]

You are going out of context reference. That ayat is for believers only those who practice islam and not for people who are against practicing islam

It is the direct answer to your question that is correct, applicable and sufficient. Your explanation above is dishonest once again. You should beg Him for forgiveness.

Now please tell me which claim from the OP you wish to discuss further.

 

[The Accountant]

It is the direct answer to your question that is correct, applicable and sufficient. Your explanation above is dishonest once again. You should beg Him for forgiveness.

Now please tell me which claim from the OP you wish to discuss further.

Well its Allah who has to decide who is right and wrong and not you. Its you who is claiming that there is no role of islam in government completely negating order of Allah to kill non muslims in Arabs hence of enforcement of islam by governement.

Why nit discussing sorah tobah ?

I seek almighty's forgiveness every now and then may Allah forgive me. I am confident i am defending his orders. R u ?

 

[VCheng]

Its you who is claiming that there is no role of islam in government completely negating order of Allah to kill non muslims in Arabs hence of enforcement of islam by governement.

Please do NOT lie. I have not made such a claim. I maintain that it is not the government's role to enforce a state religion by force of law if it is to do justice to all its citizens.

Why nit discussing sorah tobah ?

Not the topic of this thread. Religious discussions are not allowed on PDF, except for the ones that are allowed on PDF. @Dubious @Slav Defence

 

[The Accountant]

Please do NOT lie. I have not made such a claim. I maintain that it is not the government's role to enforce a state religion by force of law if it is to do justice to all its citizens.



Not the topic of this thread. Religious discussions are not allowed on PDF, except for the ones that are allowed on PDF. @Dubious @Slav Defence

Condemning religion is allowed while goving refernece is not ? @Dubious @Slav Defence either delete whole thread which is designed to malign islam in an indirect way or let people read the reality.

Now out of argument so you are calling mods ... lolz you are clearly exposed. You are a hater of islam.

It is a muslim state's responsibility to enforce islam by force as evident from sorah tobah and the wars imposed by Hazoor SAW on non.muslims in madina, khyber makkah and whole arab.

This is history and you cant change that

 

[VCheng]

@salarsikander So now the thread might be closed, as I predicted. It is your call whether to continue it or not. I have done my part, as you requested.

 

[Dubious]

If its a private matter in his home not offerred to others he can but if a community then offcourse he has to respect 97% of community

Actually no!
During Ramadan, the fasting is for you and your Lord...Not for community purposes! So enforcing your lack of ability to fast when food is around is by every means disobedient! You eat when poor people watch you eating and begging on the side!

Roza is for you, why enforce a law on a non-Muslim regarding it? IF you are offended by someone eating food near you, the problem is you...coz ALLAH said abstain from food, HE didnt say ban food! Nor did HE say hurt other people's business coz of your lack of ability to do jihad-un-nafs!

Allah clear said abstain from food...meaning YOU need to avoid food...not the other, not the restaurant owner, not the non Muslim customer BUT YOU!

When people fast in non Muslim countries, they ABSTAIN from the food being served...that is fasting and jihad-un-nafs.....they dont go bashing other people's business nor demand respect coz they cant abstain or feel mouth watered! If a Muslim can abstain in West, why cant he abstain in Muslim countries? Why are we so weak and strut this weakness around proudly?

Even in UAE, the restaurants are open during Ramadan, but "covered with opaque curtains" (minimum abstaining ability I guess!)

Think for a min: If there is no compulsion in religion: why force the Non Muslim due to your weakness?

He has a business license and has every right to run his business...if you cant abstain you are weak and you should work on that not oppress the other!

I am confident i am defending his orders. R u ?

So you think ALLAH needs your help to defend HIS orders? Really? How is that not shirk?

What ALLAH needs from you is for you to do Ibadah, be a good human, a good Muslim, a good neighbour, a good husband, a good son and so on...not a weak person! ALLAH is the defender of the Quran and Islam not you!

As for his Orders, some of these orders were given to the Prophet - we dont have a prophet so you thinking you are forcing HIS orders is wrong! Coz only Prophet can "enforce" such things!

We need to concentrate on ourselves! Please avoid trying to be holier than thou! It gives a bad impression on Islam and Muslims alike!

Not the topic of this thread. Religious discussions are not allowed on PDF, except for the ones that are allowed on PDF. @Dubious @Slav Defence

We allow certain threads if the decency can be maintained!

 

[VCheng]

We allow certain threads if the decency can be maintained!

Thank you for the post and the clarification. I remain mindful of the management's right to run their forum as they see fit.

 

[salarsikander]

Condemning religion is allowed while goving refernece is not ? @Dubious @Slav Defence either delete whole thread which is designed to malign islam in an indirect way or let people read the reality.

Now out of argument so you are calling mods ... lolz you are clearly exposed. You are a hater of islam.

It is a muslim state's responsibility to enforce islam by force as evident from sorah tobah and the wars imposed by Hazoor SAW on non.muslims in madina, khyber makkah and whole arab.

This is history and you cant change that

It is very typical of Deis lot to manipulate the meaning and then label someone as kaffir, this is what exactly is meant by separating religion from state. Show me one instances where the poster has condemned Islam or he has shown his hate. All that you're doing is misinterpreting it and labelling him as a hater of Islam.

I will request mod to put this guy in order as he is only maligning and twisting the meaning to suit his purpose, if anything he should be banned from this thread as he is not contributing to anything here @Dubious @Slav Defence @waz

@salarsikander So now the thread might be closed, as I predicted. It is your call whether to continue it or not. I have done my part, as you requested.

this is quite evident why State and religion need to be separated, People here mis interpret as being against Islam. LOL