This was how they got the figures of One million Uyghurs Incarceration in China?

[Reashot Xigwin]

Assimilation was precisely why China preserved its civilization through the ages. It's while we have large and centralized dynasties in history rather than squabbling city-states like the Greeks. It is also the reason we can rise time and time again after turmoil, while other ancient civilizations disappear into history. In fact, China grown from a patch of land on the banks of Yellow River into what it is today largely through cultural assimilation. My father's side of the family is Manchurian, but we've fully taken up Han culture. I believe in "夷狄而华夏者,则华夏之;华夏而夷狄者,则夷狄之". Since you claim to be Chinese, I'm sure you don't need Google translate to help you with that. If you're trying to convince me assimilating the Uyghurs culturally is a bad thing, you're barking up the wrong tree.

You assumed I liked CCP or Mao. For the record, I like capitalism and I think Mao is a failure at administering the country. He was a good at gaining power, but a giant mess once he actually gets it.

The suppression of birth thing is just funny. From 1970's onward, One Child Policy had been imposed on Han population. You don't call that genocide. Now you get your panties in a bunch because Uyghurs are no longer exempt. For once, I am glad CCP decided to apply their policies equally. If we continue the current policy in Xinjiang, we won't have to worry about ethnic problems in two decades.

Did you guys ask permission from the uighur?

If the shoe was on the other foot you would be crying genocide to the international community. If you are forced to speak turkic & be forcefully sterilized.

 

[beijingwalker]

Did you guys ask permission from the uighur?

If the shoe was on the other foot you would be crying genocide to the international community. If you are forced to speak turkic & be forcefully sterilized.

Minorities are exempted from China's one child policy, the "genocide" you claimed only applied to Han Chinese, all Uighur families have multiple children that's why their population growth is he highest in China.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Do you mean China has been genociding Han Chinese for 4 decades already?

Most police officers and soldiers in Xinjiang are Uighurs themselve, they are heavily armed with all kinds of weapons, If China persecuted them, why not even one Uighur officer or solider fights back and turn their weapons against the government??

Ever heard of Hanjian?

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Minorities are exempted from China's one child policy, the "genocide" you claimed only applied to Han Chinese, all Uighur families have multiple children that's why their population growth is he highest in China.

This is straight from the horse's mouth. Does it sound like it's benign?

Performance targets:

Target 1: target population for intrauterine contraception device placement 524 people

Target 2: [target] population for sterilizations 14,872 people.”

These are direct quotes from the 2019 family planning budget of Hotan, the capital city of a prefecture with a population of 2.53 million in in southern Xinjiang, China. The neighboring county of Guma, population 322,000, set a similarly precise “performance target” figure of 5,970 intrauterine contraception device (IUD) placements and 8,064 female sterilizations for that year.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/07/01/china-documents-uighur-genocidal-sterilization-xinjiang/

 

[beijingwalker]

Ever heard of Hanjian?

Unless you claim all of them are, not even one turned their guns against the government, this can't be explained by your Hanjian theory.

This is straight from the horse's mouth. Does it sound like it's benign?

Performance targets:

Target 1: target population for intrauterine contraception device placement 524 people

Target 2: [target] population for sterilizations 14,872 people.”

These are direct quotes from the 2019 family planning budget of Hotan, the capital city of a prefecture with a population of 2.53 million in in southern Xinjiang, China. The neighboring county of Guma, population 322,000, set a similarly precise “performance target” figure of 5,970 intrauterine contraception device (IUD) placements and 8,064 female sterilizations for that year.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/07/01/china-documents-uighur-genocidal-sterilization-xinjiang/

Do you mean China has been genociding Han Chinese for 4 decades already?

The Point: Debunking myths on China 'forcing Uygur birth control'

 

[Beast]

Yeah, It has been shot on the sets of Universal Pictures.

We ask a genuine inquiry which you seems to try avoid it.

Maybe you want to claim all those are genuine accusation of China torture of Unighur.

https://observers.france24.com/en/20200103-how-fake-images-uighur-persecution-are-hurting-cause

 

[Slick]

This is straight from the horse's mouth. Does it sound like it's benign?

Performance targets:

Target 1: target population for intrauterine contraception device placement 524 people

Target 2: [target] population for sterilizations 14,872 people.”

These are direct quotes from the 2019 family planning budget of Hotan, the capital city of a prefecture with a population of 2.53 million in in southern Xinjiang, China. The neighboring county of Guma, population 322,000, set a similarly precise “performance target” figure of 5,970 intrauterine contraception device (IUD) placements and 8,064 female sterilizations for that year.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/07/01/china-documents-uighur-genocidal-sterilization-xinjiang/

No, this article is straight from Adrian Zenz. His shoddy methodologies should've immediately made you apprehensive. This is the same man that interviewed 8 people and extrapolated 1 million in concentration camps based solely on their unverified claims.

This playbook is entirely predictable. I remember reading the same propaganda about Tibet. The sterilization claims become increasingly stupid because this propaganda will only work in the short term. In the long term, just like with Tibetans, the Uyghur population will increase. Will Adrian Zenz take back his claims and offer a retraction? I doubt it.

 

[Globenim]

This playbook is entirely predictable.

Its become just a waste of time to even follow these scripted "discussions" where the same long debunked and exposed blatant American and American proxy propaganda lies keep being repeated like a broken record with little or no variation in the script

Its easy to tell hardly anyone actively perpetuating these anti China propaganda lies even seriously believes in them and just parotts it for the sake slandering and denigrating China. Which is certainly within the calculations of American propaganda mouthpieces. They put up no effort to defend them and rather just jump to the next talking point on their checklist they repeat in every new "session".

 

[Khitan21]

what is turkic looks? Turks in Turkey or Turk in Kazahkstan or Kyrgyzstan?

撒拉族 Salor, the original Turks, still live in their ancestral land today. one of China's 56 minorities. These are indeed true Turks with very little or no mixing in blood over the history.

Yeah the thing is, Turkish people, Azerbaijanis, Tatars, aren't actually ethnic Turks. Actual Turks are Asiatic like Bashkirs, Tuvans, Kazakhs, Kirgiz, Yakutian/Sakhans, Nogais, Salars and a few more who are indistinguishable from East Asians like Mongols, Han Chinese, Yamato Japanese and Koreans. Uigurs, before conquering or inheriting Caucasian lands, were also completely Asiatic, rather than having a gamut of phenotypes ranging from Asiatic to Middle Eastern to Caucasian-ish - The same can be said for Turkmens and Uzbeks.

The only thing "Turkic" about Turkey and Azerbaijan these days are their respective languages and maybe some cultural attires. Imagine Singaporeans or Nigerians spouting Pan-Angloism because they speak English lol. But hey, anything is possible. Nearly a thousand years ago, I doubt the founders of Turkey could have imagined the conquered Greco-Armenian people or whatever extraction from the region would appropriate Turkic culture and claim its identity.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1282787034487283713

Their enormous estimate was ultimately based on interviews with exactly eight Uyghur individuals.

Full article:
https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/21/...ns-uyghurs-problems-claims-us-ngo-researcher/

Why would it be only 8? I heard China doesn't have any restrictions in Uighur areas so THOUSANDS of people were easily interviewed...unless of course I am mistaken about the restrictions....

 

[zectech]

Do you mean China has been genociding Han Chinese for 4 decades already?

You can't call it genocide, per say, unless it hurts the integrity of the Han Chinese to be a strong and power people. So that is TBD. One child policy is a Western demand to China that China reduce her population because of the goal of worldwide zero population growth. It is a Western pet-project, and Chinese are complying with WESTERN DEMANDS. Since the West demanded this of China, best thing is to make for every Chinese citizen. When China did that, Westerners screamed and yelled. Showing they were highly supportive the one child policy in China from the start, so long it was against the Han Chinese and them only.

Why do you think Western NGOs use vaccines laced with birth control. It is well known that the globalists are for zero population growth and either make deals with countries to have birth control tied to economic development or lace vaccines with birth control. China's one child policy was part of this globalist venture.

I come from a Catholic background, so am well versed in family planning/birth control forced on countries mandating that they accept these in exchange for economic development/aid. This was common in Latin America, in countries who's religion is against any kind of birth control.

After the end of World War II, American fears of growing populations in the developing world led to efforts to control this population through the use of targeted foreign aid.

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/usappblog/2013/11/04/us-foreign-policy-birth-control/

I am not against birth control, Africa could use that. Globalists are waning at the wrong time.

China no longer needs any limits on children, and everybody is recognizing this. Chinese are modern, and modern people tend to have smaller families.

 

[S10]

Did you guys ask permission from the uighur?

If the shoe was on the other foot you would be crying genocide to the international community. If you are forced to speak turkic & be forcefully sterilized.

They didn't need to. Nobody asked Han for permission to conduct birth control. As long as they're Chinese residents, the policy applies. China is an authoritarian state. You can either comply with the law, or you can be made to comply with the law. I didn't say it was a good policy or system, but your double standard is staggering.

Since the policy is responsible for reducing 300 million births in 4 decades according to China, is there a genocide against Han population? Beijing also pushed Mandarin (Beijing dialect) education on Guangdong residents despite the main dialect in the region is Cantonese. Is that genocide? Tens of millions of out of province workers settled in Guangdong in the past 30 years. Is that genocide?

Whatever the Uyghurs are going through, Han population had already been through. Forced birth control, mandatory language education and reform through labor were all actual policies that affected most in China in the past decades. You are suddenly enraged when Uyghurs are no longer exempt?

There is a simple explanation why Uyghurs are current disproportionately affected by One Child Policy. They're the fastest growing group. Han birth rates have dropped below 1.1 per couple, while Uyghurs are still above 1.8.

 

[Slick]

Why would it be only 8? I heard China doesn't have any restrictions in Uighur areas so THOUSANDS of people were easily interviewed...unless of course I am mistaken about the restrictions....

Maybe they interviewed thousands of people but only found 8 that fits the narrative.
Maybe they didn't interview anyone and made the entire thing up.

Only one thing is clear. The methodology is not scientific. It is not remotely reliable, so why is it being regurgitated as an undisputed fact? Something about 8 anonymous people claiming 10% of their village is in camps and using that 10% number to claim 10% of the total Uighur population is in camps doesn't seem intellectually honest.

It gets even better when you dig for the source of this information and find out the Chinese Human Rights Defenders are headquartered in Washington DC.

 

[Figaro]

If the shoe was on the other foot you would be crying genocide to the international community. If you are forced to speak turkic & be forcefully sterilized.

Such sterilization and contraceptive measures were already applied to the Han Chinese 40 years ago ... it is only a matter of time before these measures are applied to the Uyghurs. Both of them are Chinese after all, why should they be treated any different in terms of birth control?

You can't call it genocide, per say, unless it hurts the integrity of the Han Chinese to be a strong and power people. So that is TBD. One child policy is a Western demand to China that China reduce her population because of the goal of worldwide zero population growth. It is a Western pet-project, and Chinese are complying with WESTERN DEMANDS. Since the West demanded this of China, best thing is to make for every Chinese citizen. When China did that, Westerners screamed and yelled. Showing they were highly supportive the one child policy in China from the start, so long it was against the Han Chinese and them only.

Why do you think Western NGOs use vaccines laced with birth control. It is well known that the globalists are for zero population growth and either make deals with countries to have birth control tied to economic development or lace vaccines with birth control. China's one child policy was part of this globalist venture.

I come from a Catholic background, so am well versed in family planning/birth control forced on countries mandating that they accept these in exchange for economic development/aid. This was common in Latin America, in countries who's religion is against any kind of birth control.

After the end of World War II, American fears of growing populations in the developing world led to efforts to control this population through the use of targeted foreign aid.

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/usappblog/2013/11/04/us-foreign-policy-birth-control/

I am not against birth control, Africa could use that. Globalists are waning at the wrong time.

China no longer needs any limits on children, and everybody is recognizing this. Chinese are modern, and modern people tend to have smaller families.

The failure of birth control measures is why much of the world will continue to remain in abject poverty

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Maybe they interviewed thousands of people but only found 8 that fits the narrative.
Maybe they didn't interview anyone and made the entire thing up.

Only one thing is clear. The methodology is not scientific. It is not remotely reliable, so why is it being regurgitated as an undisputed fact? Something about 8 anonymous people claiming 10% of their village is in camps and using that 10% number to claim 10% of the total Uighur population is in camps doesn't seem intellectually honest.

It gets even better when you dig for the source of this information and find out the Chinese Human Rights Defenders are headquartered in Washington DC.

I'm pretty sure the US has more connections in China than "some stupid US civilian".

Remember we are supposedly "arming and brainwashing Uighurs". So we have a vast network in place second to none.