This is How Chinese People Show Love for Their Country

[Apollon]

I know it's very difficult to persuade people to believe they are brainwashed by their media. Chinese do know Europeans are victims of media propaganda. How? It's very easy to explain. We live in China. We know China more than any others. It is easiest thing for us to tell who are lying who are not. This guy in below video is Chinese living in Germany. He is a youtuber. He reads Germany local news and comments for Chinese followers. From him we know how dishonest German media are toward China.

And for Chinese who can read English like me, we already knew how ugly US media are 10 years ago.

1. China has executions on grand scale. Thats not propaganda but a simple fact.

2. China follows a oppressive regime against other religions, be it christianity or islam. China interfers into free decissions of the pope in rome and installs fake bishops without approval of the pope. Thats a simple fact and not propaganda. The orthodox church is not allowed. I'm greek orthodox and there is no representation in China.

3. China has massive censorship, freedom of speech is impossible in China. The entire internet is filtered, blocked and so on currently they even want force video game producers to follow "guidelines". The issues about Tibet and so on is basicly banned.

4. Its a one party system. People cant chose between different options, democracy doesnt exist there.

Those 4 points are plain and simple facts and they are things that i find unacceptable.

@tower9

 

[shi12jun]

Glad you acknowledgd that the EU is the worlds most powerful economy and biggest trading partner of China.

In 2020, the EU's GDP is 15.19 trillion U.S. dollars, and China's mainland GDP is 14.73 trillion U.S. dollars. In the first half of 2021, the GDP of Mainland China is US$8.22 trillion, and the GDP of the EU is US$8.33 trillion. China's growth rate and increment are faster than those of the EU. Therefore, the GDP of Mainland China will exceed the GDP of the EU this year.

 

[Apollon]

In 2020, the EU's GDP is 15.19 trillion U.S. dollars, and China's mainland GDP is 14.73 trillion U.S. dollars. In the first half of 2021, the GDP of Mainland China is US$8.22 trillion, and the GDP of the EU is US$8.33 trillion. China's growth rate and increment are faster than those of the EU. Therefore, the GDP of Mainland China will exceed the GDP of the EU this year.

Well is natural that Europe has not that fast growth since its already completly industrialized and on a very high standard. In Greece we have growth of 5.9% this year

 

[shi12jun]

Glad you acknowledgd that the EU is the worlds most powerful economy and biggest trading partner of China.

Xiao Yaqing, Minister of the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology, said on the 13th that since 2010, my country's manufacturing industry has ranked first in the world for 11 consecutive years. At present, China's industrial output value exceeds the sum of the four countries of the United States, Britain, Germany and Japan. China is also the largest trading nation in more than 120 countries and regions in the world

 

[tower9]

1. China has executions on grand scale. Thats not propaganda but a simple fact.

2. China follows a oppressive regime against other religions, be it christianity or islam. China interfers into free decissions of the pope in rome and installs fake bishops without approval of the pope. Thats a simple fact and not propaganda. The orthodox church is not allowed. I'm greek orthodox and there is no representation in China.

3. China has massive censorship, freedom of speech is impossible in China. The entire internet is filtered, blocked and so on currently they even want force video game producers to follow "guidelines". The issues about Tibet and so on is basicly banned.

4. Its a one party system. People cant chose between different options, democracy doesnt exist there.

Those 4 points are plain and simple facts and they are things that i find unacceptable.

@tower9

Those aren’t clear cut facts because there are reasons for why China does things that may seem puzzling to foreigners. Take censorship for example, China is under constant threat of destabilization efforts by the US so it will definitely not allow American social media companies have massive influence over their society. However it is a fact that ten years ago, Google and Facebook were operating in China but they refused to follow China’s laws in regards to censorship and that is why they were not allowed to operate there. However the reality is that it is very easy for someone to access these sites in China as you can just use a VPN and I have done so many times.

As far as lacking democracy. In terms of electoral democracy, yes. However when you come to understand the complex situation of China and it’s goals, you realize that western style democracy is not suitable for China and will actually only hinder its goals, which is to build a wealthy, technologically advanced country with a healthy society. China is not a democracy but it’s government is a meritocracy that monitors public opinion constantly and quickly responds to issues of dissatisfaction. That is why China has made far more progress tackling its problems than western countries have, where problems are allowed to just fester and get worse. Chinese cities nowadays are cleaner, safer, more advanced than equivalent western cities. You can’t compare cities like Shanghai and Beijing to New York, nyc is a third world shithole in comparison.

As far as religious freedom, China does allow religious freedom but not to the extent where the religious institution can challenge the state. Given China’s history with European colonialism which you undoubtedly have no knowledge about, Christian missionaries were among the spearhead of western imperialism and played a big role in subverting Chinese society to aid western exploitation of China. The century of humiliation is a massive part of the modern Chinese psyche and if you understand this, you will understand why China distrusts foreign influence through religion in its country.

To summarize, explaining China’s way of doing things is not easy because China is a very complex and huge society and if you do not have a deep understanding of this society and judge it by western standards, you will never get it. But there are many strong reasons for why China does things and considering how rapid they have been able to modernize and enrich their country while keeping society stable and happy, they know what they are doing.

 

[shi12jun]

China ranks No.1 globally in outward FDI for the first time
Global Times
16:08 Sep 29 2021

RMB Photo: VCG


China's outward foreign direct investment (FDI) in 2020 hit $153.71 billion, increasing 12.3 percent year-on-year and ranking the first place worldwide for the first time ever, according to a report released by China's Ministry of Commerce, the National Bureau of Statistics and the State Administration of Foreign Exchange on Wednesday.

Capital stock of Chinese FDI reached $2.58 trillion at the end of 2020, ranking behind the US and the Netherlands, said the 2020 Statistical Bulletin of China's Outward Foreign Direct Investment.

China's FDI is also growing in influence, accounting for 20.2 percent of the total global investment volume, maintaining a level above 10 percent for five consecutive years.

"China's third place in terms of the stock of FDI demonstrated the country's sophisticated industrial production capability," Tian Yun, former vice director of the Beijing Economic Operation Association, told the Global Times on Wednesday.

He noted that a country's export of capital must be based on its mature industrial sector as it's not only about money, but also the capability of exporting competitive products. "China's current capital exports will also bring our products, manufacturing techniques and industry chains abroad, which means China's global competitiveness is approaching top," he said.

By the end of 2020, more than 80 percent of countries and regions around the world had received investment from China.

A total of $22.54 billion was invested in countries along the Belt and Road Initiative in 2020, which accounted for 14.7 percent of China's overall FDI and also witnessed a year-on-year increase of 20.6 percent despite the COVID-19 pandemic, the bulletin revealed.

The document also contained successful case studies resulting from China's outward FDI, noting that Chinese enterprises abroad paid taxes of $44.5 billion to the local governments of foreign countries and regions, and hired a total of 2.188 million foreign employees in 2020.

"China spent two decades since the 1990s achieving the industrialization results, while some Western countries spent nearly 200 years," said Tian, adding that China's FDI stock will surpass Netherland in coming years.

 

[tower9]

Well is natural that Europe has not that fast growth since its already completly industrialized and on a very high standard. In Greece we have growth of 5.9% this year

Not exactly. Europe is not only stagnant but it’s dynamism has largely died a long time ago. Compared to even ten or twenty years ago, Europe is less innovative and becoming less relevant.

China on the other hand is quickly becoming the most innovative country on earth. It has massive dynamism in its tech fields, vc funding, fintech and is outperforming the west in many areas of tech research and innovation. China already has the world’s largest middle class which is bigger than the entire population of the US and will likely become a well developed country within 15 years time.

So in reality, the trajectory between China and Europe is very different. China is extremely dynamic and is ruled by very high IQ leaders who govern a United society that understands what the vision is of their future.

 

[kankan326]

1. China has executions on grand scale. Thats not propaganda but a simple fact.

2. China follows a oppressive regime against other religions, be it christianity or islam. China interfers into free decissions of the pope in rome and installs fake bishops without approval of the pope. Thats a simple fact and not propaganda. The orthodox church is not allowed. I'm greek orthodox and there is no representation in China.

3. China has massive censorship, freedom of speech is impossible in China. The entire internet is filtered, blocked and so on currently they even want force video game producers to follow "guidelines". The issues about Tibet and so on is basicly banned.

4. Its a one party system. People cant chose between different options, democracy doesnt exist there.

Those 4 points are plain and simple facts and they are things that i find unacceptable.

@tower9

All the 4 points you listed here are not-sure-justice.

1, Is execution bad? Not sure. China is safest country for reasons. Executing some bad people directly saved more people from violent crimes.
2, Is atheism bad? Not sure. Soviet Union, China and Japan were/are the biggest anthesm countries. They all created economic miracles.
3, Is cencorship bad? Not sure. The fire wall helped China to foster its own internet industry. European countries, whithout fire wall, become hunting ground of US internet companies like google and facebook. Further more, China is the major target of western propaganda war. The information limitation made China immune from color revolution.
4, Is one party system bad? Not sure. One party system is highly efficient and far sighted. Democracy is opposite.

 

[PradoTLC]

Thats not love for their country. Its rampant nationalism. They dont love their country, they hate all others.

that is the US or Indian defination of nationalism

 

[Apollon]

Those aren’t clear cut facts because there are reasons for why China does things that may seem puzzling to foreigners. Take censorship for example, China is under constant threat of destabilization efforts by the US so it will definitely not allow American social media companies have massive influence over their society. However it is a fact that ten years ago, Google and Facebook were operating in China but they refused to follow China’s laws in regards to censorship and that is why they were not allowed to operate there. However the reality is that it is very easy for someone to access these sites in China as you can just use a VPN and I have done so many times.

As far as lacking democracy. In terms of electoral democracy, yes. However when you come to understand the complex situation of China and it’s goals, you realize that western style democracy is not suitable for China and will actually only hinder its goals, which is to build a wealthy, technologically advanced country with a healthy society. China is not a democracy but it’s government is a meritocracy that monitors public opinion constantly and quickly responds to issues of dissatisfaction. That is why China has made far more progress tackling its problems than western countries have, where problems are allowed to just fester and get worse. Chinese cities nowadays are cleaner, safer, more advanced than equivalent western cities. You can’t compare cities like Shanghai and Beijing to New York, nyc is a third world shithole in comparison.

As far as religious freedom, China does allow religious freedom but not to the extent where the religious institution can challenge the state. Given China’s history with European colonialism which you undoubtedly have no knowledge about, Christian missionaries were among the spearhead of western imperialism and played a big role in subverting Chinese society to aid western exploitation of China. The century of humiliation is a massive part of the modern Chinese psyche and if you understand this, you will understand why China distrusts foreign influence through religion in its country.

To summarize, explaining China’s way of doing things is not easy because China is a very complex and huge society and if you do not have a deep understanding of this society and judge it by western standards, you will never get it. But there are many strong reasons for why China does things and considering how rapid they have been able to modernize and enrich their country while keeping society stable and happy, they know what they are doing.

And you can understand why this is unacceptable for someone for Greece? I simply would not want to live there, because its 100% against any greek value.

 

[zhxy]

1. China has executions on grand scale. Thats not propaganda but a simple fact.

2. China follows a oppressive regime against other religions, be it christianity or islam. China interfers into free decissions of the pope in rome and installs fake bishops without approval of the pope. Thats a simple fact and not propaganda. The orthodox church is not allowed. I'm greek orthodox and there is no representation in China.

3. China has massive censorship, freedom of speech is impossible in China. The entire internet is filtered, blocked and so on currently they even want force video game producers to follow "guidelines". The issues about Tibet and so on is basicly banned.

4. Its a one party system. People cant chose between different options, democracy doesnt exist there.

Those 4 points are plain and simple facts and they are things that i find unacceptable.

@tower9

1. Criminals must be punished. The biggest problem is that moral bitches love to defend those on death row, and ignore the crimes they have committed. Why be lenient with terrorists, child rapists, drug dealers? China has the world's largest population, its goal is to ensure the safety and prosperity of over 1 billion people, not the criminal minority.

2. In the past, Hong XiuQuan used Christianity to start the Taiping rebellion and caused the death of about 10 to 30 million people. Today, Christianity still operates normally in China. China does not encourage its people to be Muslims and Christians, but they do not ban these religions. China does not allow history to repeat itself. The West wants to use Christianity or Islam to incite violence, separatism, and spying against China, but starts crying and barking that China is anti-religious when their plans fail.

3. Do you mean that freedom of speech is the exclusive prerogative of the west allowing them the freedom to fabricate, lie, slander, insult China and the countries they hate?

This is freedom of speech by Western standards.

4. "American style democracy does not suit China. It's like a square peg in a round hole. Look at India, the world's biggest democracy, nearly 60% of its population defecates in the open. Its infrastructure is decades behind China. Women are not safe from Indian men. China does not want to be like India & adopt Western-style democracy"

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[tower9]

that is the US or Indian defination of nationalism

Check out this American girl traveling in Lijiang, China and see how she is treated by the locals. Do these look like people brainwashed to hate foreigners? Now think about how a Chinese who does not speak English would be treated in a western country. At best disdain and impatience, worst, straight up murder. it is the West who is brainwashed to hate China not the other way around.

And you can understand why this is unacceptable for someone for Greece? I simply would not want to live there, because its 100% against any greek value.

Where did anyone say that China is wanting Greece to follow its model? China has consistently made clear that its model is specific to China’s own conditions. Unlike the West, China has no messianic Christian obsession with converting other countries. It is the west who is always intolerant of other societies and trying to overthrow other governments because they are “not like us”.

 

[tower9]

And you can understand why this is unacceptable for someone for Greece? I simply would not want to live there, because its 100% against any greek value.

You know what. It is very telling that even with all of the information I have given you, this is your nonsensical knee jerk reaction. Think about it, you’re the one who is angry and hateful that China is not like the west. People in China would not hate Greece because you guys operate differently, they’d just be curious. This just shows how closed minded westerners are about anything that isn’t in line with what they’ve been told is “good”. The reality is that the media in the west is heavily propagandized even if there is an illusion of free speech. The reality is that those who run counter to the interests of the ruling capitalist class are de-platformed at best and jailed/persecuted at worst like Assange. So save your holier than thou attitude because you, like most westerners, do not even understand how your own society works.

 

[kankan326]

And you can understand why this is unacceptable for someone for Greece? I simply would not want to live there, because its 100% against any greek value.

Check out this American girl traveling in Lijiang, China and see how she is treated by the locals. Do these look like people brainwashed to hate foreigners? Now think about how a Chinese who does not speak English would be treated in a western country. At best disdain and impatience, worst, straight up murder. it is the West who is brainwashed to hate China not the other way around.

Where did anyone say that China is wanting Greece to follow its model? China has consistently made clear that its model is specific to China’s own conditions. Unlike the West, China has no messianic Christian obsession with converting other countries. It is the west who is always intolerant of other societies and trying to overthrow other governments because they are “not like us”.

Let's just use most scientific method to explain who is the bad guy----------result oriented method.
China: Safe, Fast developing, People are united and warm hearted. Everything is in order.
West: Unsafe, Full of lies and chaos, People are selfish and hate each other for different political stands

Good results from bad administration? Not possible

 

[tower9]

Let's just use most scientific method to explain who is the bad guy----------result oriented method.
China: Safe, Fast developing, People are united and warm hearted. Everything is in order.
West: Unsafe, Full of lies and chaos, People are selfish and hate each other for different political stands

Good results from bad administration? Not possible

That illustrates how brainwashed most westerners are. Most aren’t even happy about the current state of their societies and are pessimistic about their future. But they will rant and rave about “why won’t China want to be like us!!!??!!” The most persuasive method is to br a shining example and considering how high crime and violence is in American society right now, it’s definitely not very convincing.