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There is no unity among people in Pakistan.

Unity lol?

Just see how Pakistanis react to Ahmadis. There is no unity in Pakistan. Pakistan is alive because of its armed forces and that's it. We are a crowd of people gathered under one country with no real goal or achievement to date.
 
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“Pakistan crystallised as a nation against India but there is no unity among its people,” said Dr Christophe Jaffrelot, French scholar and senior research fellow of Centre d’Etudes et de Recherches Internationales (The Center for International Studies and Research).
“It’s nationalism without a nation”, he claimed. “To decentralise provinces is to strengthen them and not weaken them.”

Jaffrelot was addressing the audience during the launch of his book, ‘The Pakistan Paradox: Instability and Resilience’, at Alliance Française on Monday.

Explaining instability

“The book is an attempt at identifying the variables that explain the political trajectory of Pakistan,” he said. Jafrrelot discusses main sources of tensions in Pakistan that continue to promote instability.

According to Jafrrelot, the tension between the centralised and different ethno-lingual groups is of formidable significance. “Those in favour of ethno-linguist federation were present before Pakistan came into being,” he said. “It can also be related to Muslim League as their demand of a separate electorate was a form of separatism.”

Lahore Resolution also called for autonomy for provinces, he argued. It was after partition that Jinnah mentioned the provinces as a unitary state, he claimed.

“This alienated the decentralisation process,” he said. “The first centrifugal process began in 1950s, resulting in another partition in 1971.”

In a similar context, Jaffrelot mentioned the guerilla wars of Balochistan and other separatist movements as cases that created instability in the country.

Struggle for power

The scholar then shed light on the power struggle between democrats and autocrats. Although a democratisation process has been witnessed in Pakistani history, democracy has yet to be implemented, he argued.

“There is a balance of civilian and military power in the façade of democracy.”

Identity crises

Another dilemma facing the country is the identity crisis faced by the populace, he said. There is no consensus regarding an Islamic identity that the citizens can adhere to, he claimed.

“This was also absent before the Pakistan movement due to the division between the Aligarh and the Deobandi school of thought, that crystallised after 1857,” he argued. “Sir Syed Ahmed Khan’s role was that of a modern reformist while Deobandis were an ideological group, favouring a separatist agenda”.

The constitutions of 1956 and 1962 were similar in terms of religious ideology but the divergence mushroomed in the 1970s, he argued. “Role of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto [Pakistan Peoples' Party founder] should be scrutinised in this regard,” he opined.

Anti-Americanism

Jaffrelot discussed the surge of anti-American sentiment in the wake of the 9/11 attack and the Afghan War. “The culminating point of this trajectory was the Lal Masjid incident,” he said.

He briefly talked about how the domestic scene of Pakistan is affected by external dynamics. This dependency affects the national self-esteem of the country, he added.

His book is released world wide and can be bought through Amazon.

Published in The Express Tribune, September 23rd, 2015

Pakistan is more united than any country; nobody considers them self "pathan", "punjabi", "balochi" and ect... just look at the elections; only 0.1% of the people voted for ethnic nationalist partys.
 
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Nah thats Ghazwa E Hind's map its some sort of a Prophecy.

This is ISIS map or the one they intends to have :D

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Yes. It was close. I mentioned that. The black color reminded me of that. Along with the Shahada.

yep true a kashmiri gave the two nation theory after all why should I criticize it
I have never said otherwise. Believe in anything. I will not criticize Pakistan for anything it does to ITSELF. You can become Hindu. You can become a Saudi state. You can invade and occupy the Saudis instead. It is your problem. :tup:

Just restrict the consequences of your actions to within your borders. That's all.
 
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Not to be taken in an offensive or derogatory manner - Pakistan appears to have been a nation that was only physically conceived & not thought through.

It seems to have been made in hurry and once made then people sat down to decide how to go about things. The Army remained the only organised entity.

It also appears that things were centralised with Jinnah who unfortunately for the new nation left all too soon .

This led to various fissiparous elements pulling in different directions, the distance between two wings didn't help either.

What appears to have kept the nation together is the urge to have a nation in the 1st place and not fall apart.

Attempts at putting systems & national institutions in place were made but vested interests may have come in the way which led to the 1st Coup.

The rest is history.

Fair analysis in my view.
 
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i very well understood the bs u wrote but i didnt believe u cud 'attempt' to make such ridiculous argument...but now that you have confirmed it ,it shows where your mental score sits, pretty much in pits. You have put even the dumbest to shame, tho I did laugh out heartily, but lemme tell you,you still can't make a good clown.

Now keep your crap verbiage to urself and lemme reverse your logic on you. If my mention of your digestive apparatus makes you say 'you dont know difference btw meuum and tuum ' and you toss around words like 'larceny' just to save your face, then numbskull go and check it was you who first came around 'concerned' with others 'digestive apparatus'. Now how on earth is it your business to poke nose in others matters. And yes we can very well differentiate between whats ours and whats yours. Thats why arent on any indian forum but you are coming to pakistanis.

So now go and take ur stomach bug cure pills to provide you fruitful and productive years outside ur toilet or whatever.



Which steadfast friend i called in here? Show me? We tag others so that they will read the thread , which is what numbskulls consider call for help.

And lolzz at the rest of the post . It was nothing but showed your unhealthy obsession that you could write an essay of a post on me.

Lolzzzzzzz. Even the most jobless wont care to write such lenghty rant on someone. Now since again and again u have proved that you can't make a debate let alone a healthy one , iwont really bother responding to your yap yapping.

This is the problem of internet .Kids dont know who you are talking to and how can you carry a good ,healthy debate
@Joe Shearer is one of most respected ,impartial, professional member in this PDF .
Ask your mods like @Chak Bamu

Kid you still have to live a long life and should earn a huge amount of knowledge to debate against him.
 
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There were hindu restaurants with boards mounted outside , muslims and dogs arent allowed. Lets speak of j and k state. How hindu dogras had treated and oppressed muslims' of that region?

who told you that? you seen it yourself? or heard from someone? I doubt even a hardcore Hindu would do such a thing.
post proof with such claims
 
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well the Peshawar school bombing made everyone get together but back to bhegeraty.
 
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who told you that? you seen it yourself? or heard from someone? I doubt even a hardcore Hindu would do such a thing.
post proof with such claims
Proof tau nai hai ,and it was pre partition, how i could have seen that? Heard from someone ,and i trust his words. It was an incident at a single hindu restaurant , but this thing was happening at few other restaurants in different towns too. But i knew i dont have proof and it wouldnt be taken seriously, (and also as i have seen indians refusing to accept their faults in gujjrat massacre, so this incident is nothing) So because of it iadded Dogra rule here, because it was a thru and thru hindu raj with hindu laws in place ...and what was hapening under that rule is well a documented and known fact.

Its ok if u dont believe me ,its my shortcoming that ihave no proof to back the restaurant claim. (But aisa tha).
 
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Proof tau nai hai ,and it was pre partition, how i could have seen that? Heard from someone ,and i trust his words. It was an incident at a single hindu restaurant , but this thing was happening at few other restaurants in different towns too. But i knew i dont have proof and it wouldnt be taken seriously, (and also as i have seen indians refusing to accept their faults in gujjrat massacre, so this incident is nothing) So because of it iadded Dogra rule here, because it was a thru and thru hindu raj with hindu laws in place ...and what was hapening under that rule is well a documented and known fact.

Its ok if u dont believe me ,its my shortcoming that ihave no proof to back the restaurant claim. (But aisa tha).

Ridiculous. But from this hysterical source, only to be expected.
 
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I have accepted my shortcoming but i also gave Dogras example, now coulddogra atrocities be denied ?

There were no examples, only generic statements that the Dogras were oppressive. They exacted taxes; similar taxes were imposed on Muslims by Muslim rulers. They placed Pandits in leading administrative positions. The Mughals placed Iranians and Turanians in leading administrative positions. The military was largely Hindu and Sikh. When the military was partially Muslim, the Muslim component mutinied, ambushed Sikh and Hindu components and massacred them. Not much of oppression.

What exactly have you established?
 
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MK,,,wud like to know,what u think shud be done to bring the change.

Hi,

If you bring order in the society and enforce the rule of law----in does magical things to uplift the society.

The goodness in most of us, needs hope and opportunity to come out. People who are free and secure in their environment are the people that care and share.
 
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