There is no unity among people in Pakistan.

[fatman17]

Considering I joined the overseas category around January of this year.. I will respectfully disagree.

Be it the policy of the sardars or how they act, the common denominator comes to economics.
Where economics are absent , religion takes over.. where religion is not enough.. the following works.
One does not inhabit a country; one inhabits a language. That is our country, our fatherland - and no other.

actually the Baluch are pretty secular in their outlook. the tribe is central to their way of life.

 

[VCheng]

Cute post. I agree with much of it. But the only reason the bolded part is true is because Pakistan places more importance on "image" and "patriotism" for arbitrary/man-made borders than it does on individual human life and protection of that life. That is why even with injustice more common than oxygen in our country, many of us still claim to be smiling through tragedy and at peace with "our" pain. If you experienced yourself, the pain that the masses of the country have felt, the pain the "collateral damage" individuals of the country feel, you would not say that so proudly. Patriotism is nothing but propaganda. The only reason it has any meaning is because we as humans indulge in mean-making throughout life to give our existence some type of purpose, which in return validates this whole human condition/experience we are a part of. For a country that claims to be built on Islamic theology, the little importance Pakistan gives to human life is inherently against Islamic principles. While I agree with much of your post, I think that a national character of our country is placing patriotism above human life and that why at a time like this you can write a post like that and have so many people agree with you.

Pakistan is a country drowning in the fragile illusion of patriotism, that is a national characteristic. As soon as the illusion dies, it takes only seconds to realize how divided we are as a people.



L.O.L.

Blunt, but true. Now let us deny all of that by blaming someone else.

 

[vsdoc]

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[Icarus]

Cute post. I agree with much of it. But the only reason the bolded part is true is because Pakistan places more importance on "image" and "patriotism" for arbitrary/man-made borders than it does on individual human life and protection of that life. That is why even with injustice more common than oxygen in our country, many of us still claim to be smiling through tragedy and at peace with "our" pain. If you experienced yourself, the pain that the masses of the country have felt, the pain the "collateral damage" individuals of the country feel, you would not say that so proudly. Patriotism is nothing but propaganda. The only reason it has any meaning is because we as humans indulge in mean-making throughout life to give our existence some type of purpose, which in return validates this whole human condition/experience we are a part of. For a country that claims to be built on Islamic theology, the little importance Pakistan gives to human life is inherently against Islamic principles. While I agree with much of your post, I think that a national character of our country is placing patriotism above human life and that why at a time like this you can write a post like that and have so many people agree with you.

Pakistan is a country drowning in the fragile illusion of patriotism, that is a national characteristic. As soon as the illusion dies, it takes only seconds to realize how divided we are as a people.

I am not the sort of man that gets into ideological comparisons because every ideology has some merit to it, that is why it commands a following and is still relevant. There may be a hundred and one things wrong with Pakistan, there's no denying it but the post was made in response to the premise that there is no unity in Pakistan whereas the circumstances point in the other direction despite all odds.

 

[ZYXW]

Blunt, but true. Now let us deny all of that by blaming someone else.

LOLOL precisely, but my theory is that the scapegoat syndrome is rooted in the deeply embedded patriarchy in the country. For some reason I can't blame the people for thinking like that, they are only a product of years of that patriarchy.

 

[VCheng]

LOLOL precisely, but my theory is that the scapegoat syndrome is rooted in the deeply embedded patriarchy in the country. For some reason I can't blame the people for thinking like that, they are only a product of years of that patriarchy.

I would like to discuss this further, but I just received a warning, so I am laying low on this one.

On topic, obviously, the whole nation is united like the proverbial "seesa pilai hui deevar" as we have been told through the decades. Now, lead intoxication has many effects on the national psyche, but who cares about that?

 

[ZYXW]

I am not the sort of man that gets into ideological comparisons because every ideology has some merit to it, that is why it commands a following and is still relevant. There may be a hundred and one things wrong with Pakistan, there's no denying it but the post was made in response to the premise that there is no unity in Pakistan whereas the circumstances point in the other direction despite all odds.

I knew where you were coming from. It's just, I believe that if there was unity among the people, the country would completely change. In my experience, unity is one thing the country lacks. Pakistan is has SO much potential, so if there was unity among people, that country would destroy anything in its path and grow to be among the greatest countries (my belief). However, this is what Pakistan looks like without unity, if there was unity, you would see a new face of Pakistan, one that is unmatchable. This can not be what unity in Pakistan looks like, we just have patriotism rooted in the concept of arbitrary borders and a religion (which we only seem to know the name of) rather than based on the lives of Pakistanis and a true nation.

 

[VCheng]

I knew where you were coming from. It's just, I believe that if there was unity among the people, the country would completely change. In my experience, unity is one thing the country lacks. Pakistan is has SO much potential, so if there was unity among people, that country would destroy anything in its path and grow to be among the greatest countries (my belief). However, this is what Pakistan looks like without unity, if there was unity, you would see a new face of Pakistan, one that is unmatchable. This can not be what unity in Pakistan looks like, we just have patriotism rooted in the concept of arbitrary borders and a religion (which we only seem to know the name of) rather than based on the lives of Pakistanis and a true nation.

Agreed, but the basic problem is denial. How can we ever work on improving unity when we declare ourselves to be already united? That declaration means there is no problem to solve.

 

[ZYXW]

I would like to discuss this further, but I just received a warning, so I am laying low on this one.

On topic, obviously, the whole nation is united like the proverbial "seesa pilai hui deevar" as we have been told through the decades. Now, lead intoxication has many effects on the national psyche, but who cares about that?

LOL so you got a warning? blame it on the effects the lead intoxication has on your psyche as a Pakistani and discuss it

Agreed, but the basic problem is denial. How can we ever work on improving unity when we declare ourselves to be already united? That declaration means there is no problem to solve.

The denial comes from a lack of "proper" education in the country and a very defensive psyche, developed mainly because of India.

But then again, there isn't even "proper" education in the states for the most part. Guess that is a global phenomenon LOL

 

[VCheng]

LOL so you got a warning? blame it on the effects the lead intoxication has on your psyche as a Pakistani and discuss it

You really want to see me banned again?

Back to the topic, let me ask you a serious question: Just how can one define national unity? Is is oneness of (prescribed) thought, or something else? And would the definition allow for a diversity of views and opinions?

The denial comes from a lack of "proper" education in the country and a very defensive psyche, developed mainly because of India.

But then again, there isn't even "proper" education in the states for the most part. Guess that is a global phenomenon LOL

Oh come now. Blaming India won't work here. It never has and never will.

 

[ZYXW]

You really want to see me banned again?

Back to the topic, let me ask you a serious question: Just how can one define national unity? Is is oneness of (prescribed) thought, or something else? And would the definition allow for a diversity of views and opinions?



Oh come now. Blaming India won't work here. It never has and never will.

Oh that's a big one. If I were to give a proper answer, it requires some time to think. I don't like answering questions that I don't know and believe the answer for in depth. Defining the two words "national unity" can require an entire essay, since you asked on the spot I would say:

In my opinion, one of the many faces of national unity can only be seen in adversity. It is when there is an injustice in a state and the masses as a whole speak up/act against it. An injustice in a justice system that puts human life above all other things. This is one important face of national unity for me.
Now I understand this is a vague definition because everyone has his/her idea of what justice is, and what an unjust act is. Justice is tricky. I also understand my definition isn't defining unity either. But for now, I hope this will do.

Haha no not at all, but I can't deny that the geographical location of the country does impact the national psyche.

 

[VCheng]

Oh that's a big one. If I were to give a proper answer, it requires some time to think. I don't like answering questions that I don't know and believe the answer for in depth. Defining the two words "national unity" can require an entire essay, since you asked on the spot I would say:

In my opinion, one of the many faces of national unity can only be seen in adversity. It is when there is an injustice in a state and the masses as a whole speak up/act against it. An injustice in a justice system that puts human life above all other things. This is one important face of national unity for me.
Now I understand this is a vague definition because everyone has his/her idea of what justice is, and what an unjust act is. Justice is tricky. I also understand my definition isn't defining unity either. But for now, I hope this will do.

Haha no not at all, but I can't deny that the geographical location of the country does impact the national psyche.

I will tell you the correct answer: No one knows what this "national unity" is, but everyone agrees that it is important.

 

[ZYXW]

I will tell you the correct answer: No one knows what this "national unity" is, but everyone agrees that it is important.

woah completely agree!!

But for the country to progress the government needs educated people that can define at least some aspects of it and push the country towards that.