There is no God , There is no Fate - Steven Hawking

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Yeah...The 'God Of The Gaps' fallacy.

Like I said often that Science is not 'out to get God' but that Science is on a mission to explain the mechanics of the universe. Science have no interests in the philosophical question of 'Why we exist'. But precisely because Science is making the universe slightly more understandable everyday, people -- with their supposedly 'God given' intellect -- are choosing to move away from Religion, at least in the developed countries.

As scientists continues to be successful in its mission, religionists are stuck where they have been since the beginning of civilized societies, namely, failure to reconcile each other's competing and even conflicting beliefs to give clarity to the question that they claimed to be authority on -- Why we exist. If there is a Hell, it is on Earth and it came from religionists.

The purpose of science is to have happy life. Science makes military hardware. Military hardware win war. Win war rule world. Rule world happy life. Science use genetics to achieve immortality. Immortality is happy life.

Religion promises hardship in this life, happy life forever in afterlife.

 

[Thorough Pro]

You don't need to be honest to state that. His claim and the title of this very thread makes it abundantly clear and that is exactly what everyone has been discussing about on this thread. No?

To be honest Stephen Hawking was an atheist. He did not believe any deity.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

You don't need to be honest to state that. His claim and the title of this very thread makes it abundantly clear and that is exactly what everyone has been discussing about on this thread. No?

What's there to discuss? Religious people hate him for not believing in a deity. Deities are cool. Look this.

 

[Path-Finder]

 

[gambit]

What do you think would happen if Science prove or at least reach a %50 threshold possibility that there is another type of life after death...???

https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...oodbye-the-strange-case-of-terminal-lucidity/

Religionists would be fighting -- literally -- on whose religion 'owns' this other type of life or consciousness after death.

Remember...Science is not 'out to get God' of anyone's religion. Science is about explaining the mechanics of the universe and if this other form of consciousness -- or life -- does exist, Religion will be in even greater threat regarding its philosophical and moral significance for Humanity.

What if the Asians are correct -- that spirits are real and that they are all around us?

What if reincarnation is the true mode of existence for Humanity? There is no god or devil or hell, just endless cyclings of human spirits into human newborns or even into animals.

This is why religionists are wary and hostile to scientists -- because Science demands objectivity and verification.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

What do you think would happen if Science prove or at least reach a %50 threshold possibility that there is another type of life after death...???

Everything is alive. At the subatomic level, things move around by themselves as if they are alive, as if they have minds, as if they have free will. Humans are simply lots of quantum things piled up together in the central nervous system AKA brain with electricity all over the place to provide random quantum behavior, but the fundamental human behavior is the same as a quantum subatomic particle / wave sort of creature.

 

[Zibago]

A topic best left untouched due to sensitivities of pdf posters

 

[zip]

A topic best left untouched due to sensitivities of pdf posters

Yes , lot of emotions involved ..Having said that if science was evolved to this level in the past then people would have naturally questioned many things ..It is always better to question the doubts ..or alternative is to become a zombie and follow what is preached without clarifications .

 

[Zibago]

Yes , lot of emotions involved ..Having said that if science was evolved to this level in the past then people would have naturally questioned many things ..It is always better to question the doubts ..or alternative is to become a zombie and follow what is preached without clarifications .

Emotions of those lacking a solid counter narrative
The scientist many celebrate today were called heretics in their days not much has changed

 

[Kompromat]

For us to try and understand God is like a mosquito trying to understand the theory of relativity. You have to be aware of our insignificance in the universe to understand how silly this debate is. We have this perfect planet which is no larger than a grain of sand on a vast sea plain. We haven't even figured out how to live together in peace. We're yet to explore our own sea bed. There's much to learn.

 

[zip]

For us to try and understand God is like a mosquito trying to understand the theory of relativity. You have to be aware of our insignificance in the universe to understand how silly this debate is. We have this perfect planet which is no larger than a grain of sand on a vast sea plain. We haven't even figured out how to live together in peace. We're yet to explore our own sea bed. There's much to learn.

For time being leave God , have we understood who actually we are ? How combination of various matters become aware of itself and it's surrounding !!!

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Stephen Hawking said there is no God with a capital G, presumably he was referring to the Abrahamic god. This does not imply he does not believe in any other god like Lucifer or Kali or Gabriel or Baldur or Michael.

 

[war&peace]

That does not mean Hawking knew EVERYTHING about the universe. I think this is where you are confused of your criticism of him.

All I know is not equal to I know all. Do you see the difference?

All I know could be that I know everything there is about an object or an issue, but it could also mean that the entirety of my knowledge is just a parcel of everything there is about that object or issue.

Take a bank, for example.

I have a checking account and a credit card issued by that bank. So 'all I know' about that bank is confined to my limited financial links to that bank. On the other hand, the bank president would know everything there is about his bank, which would mean his knowledge contains my knowledge, or to put it another way, my knowledge is only a part of his knowledge of that bank. The bank president would have a larger -- macroscope -- view of the bank. I would have a smaller -- microscope -- view of the bank.


Life is linear and is a chain. Each link in the chain contains a cause and effects. The effects of one chain make up the cause in the next link. And so on...

So just because there is a creator that does not mean the creator -- or cause -- is divine. You are talking about the 'First Cause' argument.

Steven Hawking is both more learned and smarter than you will ever be. That does not mean he is always correct in his scientific endeavors. Science is about making one thousand or more errors before reaching the correct conclusion. Religion is no different. How many lives lost in how many religious wars and STILL no definitive conclusion as to the existence of a god, let alone THE GOD? And this is where religious explorations on the godhood have been around far longer than scientific explorations.


All God has to do is appear en masse. Why bother with an agent?

but you don't know anything about science mate.

 

[gambit]

but you don't know anything about science mate.

What the hell does that mean?

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

In western TV shows the Abrahamic God with a capital G is portrayed as an ET dude. Western people make fun of the Abrahamic God. Only Pakistanis and Turks protect the image of the Abrahamic God and consider western people blasphemous for mocking the Abrahamic God.