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Lately I have noticed that all of Indian channels have started to call "Shaheed" to their dead soldiers. In almost every Youtube video I came across randomly, the anchor repeats "Shaheed" for the dead soliders almost 10 times in a minute.

Why this sudden change? Why adopting Muslim ideology to call dead hindu soldiers "Shaheed"?

I am genuinly curious and interested to know why the Indian govt feels that the word "Shaheed" to describe their dead soldiers elevates their status somehow?

Because we all know that without Indian govt approval their media never goes to such lengths.

I would really like to understand the thought process of our neighbors.

Thanks in advance.
 
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Lately I have noticed that all of Indian channels have started to call "Shaheed" to their dead soldiers. In almost every Youtube video I came across randomly, the anchor repeats "Shaheed" for the dead soliders almost 10 times in a minute.

Why this sudden change? Why adopting Muslim ideology to call dead hindu soldiers "Shaheed"?

I am genuinly curious and interested to know why the Indian govt feels that the word "Shaheed" to describe their dead soldiers elevates their status somehow?

Because we all know that without Indian govt approval their media never goes to such lengths.

I would really like to understand the thought process of our neighbors.

Thanks in advance.

What is "Muslim" about shaheed?

Why are you giving a religious spin to a soldier's sacrifice?

You think Muslim soldiers do not die for India?

Please at least do not be disrespectful to a soldier's sacrifice on a defence forum!

Cheers, Doc
 
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Its an Arabic word and it has nothing to do with Pakistan as Pakistan is not an Arabic race.
India has all rights reserved of this word since the mugal era. India is using this word for independence heros since before pakistan took birth on India's land.
 
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Its an arabic word that came ti India and we have adopted it. Just like world have adopted hindu numerical system (transferred by Arabs to Europe)

@saif al-hijaz do u uave any problem if we use your arabic word ?
Mathematics doesnt have a religion...

Whats more ironic.. the number “zero” was discovered by a mathematician from modern day Taxila.. Upper Panjab/Potohar region of Pakistan... not rajisthan or bihar.

As for Shaheed.. its a Quranic word .. having an Islamic concept.. used by Muslims for Muslims..
 
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Sometime ago, the same Indians were abusing Justin Trudeau for calling "Diwali Mubarak" bcoz Mubarak was an Arabic word. Now the same Indians are using an Arabic word for their dead soldiers. Hypos

This raises the question even more. Why the sudden urge in Indian govt and media to call their dead hindu soldiers "Shaheed" (who no doubt fought for their country), when it has almost never been used in the past?

And especially when the extremist govt of India is trying everything in their power to "undo" anything remotely muslim in India. Even "Taj Mehal" was removed from the brouchers of Indian tourism attractions by extermists sitting in the govt.

So what is the thought process of using this term?
 
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Its an Arabic word and it has nothing to do with Pakistan as Pakistan is not an Arabic race.

Papu its an Islamic concept.. your tiny brain wouldnt be able to understand that..
India has all rights reserved of this word since the mugal era. India is using this word for independence heros since before pakistan took birth on India's land.

Lmao.. why are you a fukin mughal or are you muslim?:lol:

What indian land? Chutuswami ... india was created by british in 15 aug 1947.
 
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This raises the question even more. Why the sudden urge in Indian govt and media to call their dead hindu soldiers "Shaheed" (who no doubt fought for their country), when it has almost never been used in the past?

And especially when the extremist govt of India is trying everything in their power to "undo" anything remotely muslim in India. Even "Taj Mehal" was removed from the brouchers of Indian tourism attractions by extermists sitting in the govt.

So what is the thought process of using this term for dead Hindu soldiers?

How do you know the soldiers were Hindu?

Because in your twisted logic India is Hindu, ergo?

I repeat. Please desist from pissing on a soldier's sacrifice.

It is extremely disrespectful. To people in any part of the world.

Cheers, Doc
 
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Its an arabic word that came ti India and we have adopted it. Just like world have adopted hindu numerical system (transferred by Arabs to Europe)

@saif al-hijaz do u uave any problem if we use your arabic word ?
"Shaheed", is a specific term, used in the Holy Quran and Sunnah. It has certainly a specific meaning and one should be careful before applying this term to a person and you should ascertain whether he is really qualified to be called a "Shaheed."

According to Islamic Jurisprudence, "Shaheed" is of two kinds:

  1. Shaheed in the real sense.
  2. Shaheed in the constructive sense.
Shaheed in the real sense is a Muslim who has been killed during "Jihad" or has been killed by any person unjustly. Such a person has two characteristics different from common people who die on their bed. Firstly, he should be buried without giving him a ritual bath. However, the prayer of the Janazah shall be offered on him and he shall also be given a proper kafin (burial shroud). Secondly, he will deserve a great reward in the Hereafter and it is hoped that Allah Almighty shall forgive his sins and admit him to Jannah. It is also stated in some of the traditions that the body of such a person remains in the grave protected from contamination or dissolution.

As compared to this kind of "Shaheed" a Shaheed in a constructive sense is a person who has been promised by the Holy Prophet Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam to get a reward of a Shaheed in the Hereafter but is not taken as Shaheed with regard to the rules of burial. It means that the dead body has to be bathed like a dead body of any other person. The Holy Prophet Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam has included in this category of Shaheed a large number of persons such as a person who has died in a Plague or who has died in an unexpected accident, like a fire or a traffic accident or who has been drowned in the water or a woman who has died during the delivery of her child etc.

Allama Jalaluddin Suyuti, a well-known scholar of Islamic disciplines, has collected all the Hadiths relating to this kind of Shaheed and has come to the conclusion that there are thirty categories mentioned by the Holy Prophet Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam who can deserve to be called Shaheed in this sense. But in the normal course, the word "Shaheed" is applied only for the first kind. However, it is not prohibited to use the word for a person who falls in any of the categories mentioned in the second kind.

It is evident from the above discussion that the word "Shaheed" can only be used for a Muslim and cannot be applied to a non-Muslim at all. Similarly, the term cannot be used for a person who has been rightly killed as a punishment of his own offence.
 
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Papu its an Islamic concept.. your tiny brain wouldnt be able to understand that..


Lmao.. why are you a fukin mughal or are you muslim?:lol:

What indian land? Chutuswami ... india was created by british in 15 aug 1947.
I know your "ummah chumah " and "Muslim brotherhood" concept you big blank mind.

First ask Arabs if they consider you as your brother more than Indian Muslims.
Such a delusional minds you guys have.
 
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Lately I have noticed that all of Indian channels have started to call "Shaheed" to their dead soldiers. In almost every Youtube video I came across randomly, the anchor repeats "Shaheed" for the dead soliders almost 10 times in a minute.

Why this sudden change? Why adopting Muslim ideology to call dead hindu soldiers "Shaheed"?

I am genuinly curious and interested to know why the Indian govt feels that the word "Shaheed" to describe their dead soldiers elevates their status somehow?

Because we all know that without Indian govt approval their media never goes to such lengths.

I would really like to understand the thought process of our neighbors.

Thanks in advance.

I always considered 'shaheed' an Islamic word, used exclusively by Muslims, and only if they died in the cause of Islam, specifically on the battlefield. But even among some Muslims, the word seems to be misused. Nevertheless, like many words, it has made it's way into other countries, cultures, and religions.
 
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Its an Arabic word and it has nothing to do with Pakistan as Pakistan is not an Arabic race.
India has all rights reserved of this word since the mugal era. India is using this word for independence heros since before pakistan took birth on India's land.

Modern day "India" is a newborn country since 1947 and has nothing to do with "British India", which was a collection of several dozen independent states. We Pakistanis on the other hand are true inheritors of the ancient civilization from this region, i.e. Indus Valley.

"Shaheed" is a term used in Quran, the supreme book of Muslims including Pakistanis (97% of which are Muslism). The term is used for "Mujahids" who fought for Allah and sacrificed their lives in the process.

So extremist Indian govt must have thought of some high value now before propagating it via all of its media so agressively.

And I would like to know that value proposition.
 
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It was founded by either A brahman or a Rajput Sadhu Of well defined history and bloodline Who certainly viewed natives Chamars as sub humans
So you are a country where over half of your population is sub human..

Works for me.

Including Muslims till they left lahor in 47 they did not allowed majority of lahoris to drink water from their tap.

Aww... did that apply to Mughal/Muslims whom you gave your daughters ?

Also, Taxila is a good 400 km from Lahore.. dear maan singh..”chuckles”.


I am sure you are neither Brahmin nor a kshatriya AMD mostlikely a Alien or a sudr convert trying hard to leech off Achivements of those who called you Bhangis/sudr over you face.

@padamchen i like reading old colonial books, i Truely miss old days when world was less political correct.

Lmao.. no, im one of those guys who banged your ancestors along with Pashtuns and other muslims ... aptly called “invaders” by your kind.
 
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